Family Commands
God’s Commands For the
Family
Josiahs Scott,
Josiahs@trueconnection.org,
www.TrueConnection.org
1/9/2004; 10/21/07; 7/10/08; 10/27/08; 1/27/10; (10/10/11); 3/2/12; 6/3/13;
3/10/17-3/14/17
Part of a 3-Part Series: (1) “Family Commands”; (2) “Submission”; (3) “Biblical Bowing”
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Complete Table of Contents
Introduction. 1
Husbands and Wives. 1
The Profound Mystery of Marriage. 1
Pastor 2
Deacons. 2
The Courageous Wife, Suffering Under a Lost
Husband. 2
Children. 3
Children in General 3
Lots of Children Are a Blessing. 3
Children – From Reproach to Reward. 4
Also Consider The Blessing of
Celibacy. 4
Labor & Delivery Verses –
Verses for Women to be Saved Through Labor 4
Punishment of Children. 6
Coming of Age / Bar Mitzvah. 7
Requirements for Boys to Become
Men. 7
Autonomous Responsibility &
Authority. 8
Jesus Observed Bar Mitzvah. 8
Jesus and His Mother 8
Solomon and His Mother 8
Grown Sons Had a Choice. 8
Extended Obedience to Parents. 8
Abortion
is Murder. 10
Abortion Linked With Idolatry. 10
Introduction
This Bible study is the main resource that I use for couples who need
marriage help, and it goes well with the "Submission"
Bible Study in exhorting and helping couples fight for Biblical families.
[Premarital couples: See Official Premarital Bible Study
(below) for powerful Truth in pursuing purity]. When you add the Divorce and
Remarriage teaching to this, it becomes even more helpful in
propelling you to fight for your first marriage because God Himself defends it,
makes it permanent for life no matter what, and shows that remarriage is never
an option apart from death.
Eph_5:22-33 EMTV Wives, subject yourselves to
your own husbands, as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is head of the wife, as
also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 But
just as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives be to their own
husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your own wives, just as
Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 in order that He might sanctify her,
cleansing her by the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a
glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she
should be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought to love their own
wives as their own bodies; he that loves his own wife loves himself. 29 For
no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as also
the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His
flesh and of His bones. 31 "For this reason a man shall
leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become
one flesh." 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak
in reference to Christ and to the church.
33 Nevertheless you also individually,
let each one love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she
respect her husband.
Eph_6:1-4 EMTV Children, obey your parents in the
Lord, for this is right. 2 "Honor your father and
mother," which is the first commandment with a promise: 3 "that it may be well with you, and you
may live long on the earth." 4 And fathers, do not provoke your
children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and admonition of the
Lord… 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness
of this age, against spiritual forces
of evil in the heavenlies.
Col_3:16-21 WEB Let
the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom teaching and admonishing
one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your
heart to the Lord. 17 Whatever you do, in word or in deed,
do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father, through
him. 18
Wives, be in subjection to your husbands, as is fitting in the
Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives, and don't
be bitter against them. 20 Children, obey your parents in all
things, for this pleases the Lord. 21 Fathers, don't provoke your children,
so that they won't be discouraged.
Tit_2:4-5 EMTV so that they may
urge the young women to be lovers of their husbands, lovers of their
children, 5
temperate, pure, homemakers, good, submitting to their own husbands,
lest the word of God be blasphemed.
1Ti_3:4-5 EMTV one
ruling his own house well, having his children in
submission with all reverence; 5 (for if one does not know how to rule his own
house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
1Ti_3:11-12 EMTV Likewise their wives must be
reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let
deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling
their children well, and their own houses.
1Pe_3:1-7 EMTV Wives,
likewise, subject yourselves to your own husbands, so that even if some are
disobedient to the word, that
by the conduct of their wives, without a word, they shall be gained for Christ, 2 when they observe your chaste conduct with
fear. 3 Of whom let it not be the outward
adorning of braiding of hair, and wearing of gold, or of putting on of fine
clothes, 4
rather let it be
the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible attitude of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very
precious before God. 5 For
thus formerly, the holy women who hoped on God also adorned themselves,
subjecting themselves to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, of
whom you became children, when you do good and are not afraid of any
terror. 7 Husbands, likewise, live together
according to knowledge as with a weaker vessel, with the wife, showing her
honor as also a fellow heir of the grace of life, in order that your prayers
may not be hindered.
Main Contents: Intro | Husbands and Wives
| Children
Is A Husband’s Authority
Ever overruled Over His Wife?
5/13/17
1Sa_25: Nabal, Abigale, and David
King Artaxis,
Esther, and Mordichi
It is better to obey God than man -- but only
if it is actually GOD who gave the command!
These are my shorthand, personal
notes of Bible verses for Children
Other dates; 4/10/17
Exo_20:12 WEB Honor
your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which
Yahweh your God gives you.
Lev 19:3 WEB " 'Each one of
you shall respect his mother and his father. You shall keep my Sabbaths. I am
Yahweh your God.
Lev 19:3 LB
Let everyone of you reverence his
father and his mother; and you shall keep My Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.
Lev 19:3 ἕκαστος
πατέρα αὐτοῦ
καὶ μητέρα αὐτοῦ
φοβείσθω, καὶ τὰ
σάββατά μου
φυλάξεσθε· ἐγὼ
κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν.
Pro_15:5 MKJV A fool despises his
father's instruction, but he who listens to correction is wise.
Pro_23:22 WEB Listen
to your father who gave you life, And don't despise
your mother when she is old.
Pro_30:17 WEB The
eye that mocks at his father, And scorns obedience to his mother: The ravens of
the valley shall pick it out, The young eagles shall eat it.
Pro_1:8 WEB My
son, listen to your father's instruction, And don't forsake your mother's
teaching:
Other dates; 3/10/17-3/13/17 (especially in light of baby number two pregnancy test);
Psa_127:1-5, esp. Psa_127:3-5
Psa_128:1-4, esp. Psa_128:3-4;
Pro_17:6;
Gen_1:28 – Original multiplication blessing
Gen_15:4 – Abraham’s desperation for children
Gen_15:5 – Abraham: look at stars
Gen_24:60 – Rebekah: Mother of thousands
Gen_30:1-2 – Rachel: “give me children or I die!”
Gen_33:5 – Jacob's Divinely
multiplied Kids
Gen_41:50-52, Gen_48:4
– Joseph's Kids
Gen_50:23 – Joseph's Great Grand kids
Deu_28:4, etc. – fruit of body blessed
Jos_24:3-4, etc. – your father Abraam...
multiplied... seed
1Sa_1:1-18, 1Sa_1:19-20,
1Sa_1:27,
etc. – Hannah: 1st Son: Samuel
1Sa_2:20, 1Sa_2:21 – Hannah: 3 more sons
& 2 daughters
1Ch_28:5 – God Gave David Many Sons
Isa_8:18 – Isiah's Prophetic Children Signs
Job_1:2, Job_42:12-16 – Job's Children
>> See:
wk ethic multiplication
Gen_30:22-23 – Rachel's reproach taken away
1Sa_1:5-6, etc. – Hannah (as seen previously)
Luk_1:24-25 – Elizabeth's reproach taken away
Isa_54:1-4; Mat_19:10-12; 1Co_7:1; 1Co_7:6-9; 1Co_7:25-38;
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My spiritual wife’s favorite verses for having
faith and hope when seeking to be courageous in birthing children
My wife compiled the following verses (in conjunction of our
proclamation) which I compiled, quoted, and enhanced for this Bible Study.
My wife said: “the following are 7 of my "favorite" Bible
verses for labor (aside from my current Psalms of Degrees
obsession).”
(My wife also asked,
AlThu 11:49am
@hd After being able to meditate the other week about my previous labor experiences
and some of my go-to Bible verses that ive found myself seeking to hug during
that time, I was finally able to jot them down. So, the following are 7 of my
"favorite" Bible verses for labor (aside from my current Psalms of
Degrees obsession). I was wondering if you could record yourself reading these
7 verses? I was thinking that we could periodically play that recording during
labor, especially during the times when my mind might be struggling due to
intense pain.
Heb_11:11 – by faith Sarah was
given power to throw down seed
Heb_11:11 GRV [Dative:
to/for/in/at/with (by)]
πιστει
G4102 N-DSF
και G2532
CONJ αυτη
G846 P-NSF
σαρρα
G4564 N-NSF στειρα
G4723 N-NSFα δυναμιν
G1411 N-ASF εις G1519
PREP καταβολην
G2602 N-ASF
σπερματος
G4690 N-GSN ελαβεν
G2983 V-2AAI-3S
και G2532
CONJ παρα
G3844 PREP
καιρον
G2540 N-ASM ηλικιας
G2244 N-GSF [biggness/size/stature/adulthood/maturity
-- ἡλικία (St G2244: maturity; WS: adulthood) < ἡλίκος
(St G2245: as big as…how much;
WS: How great (Col_2:1;
Jas_3:5
{AMGL: Gal_6:11});
AMGL: what sized, what, how great, how small)
< ἧλιξ (St: a comrade,
that is, one of the same age; WS: adult); (Mat_6:34:
αρκετον)] ετεκεν
G5088 V-2AAI-3Sτσβ
επει
G1893 CONJ
πιστον
G4103 A-ASM ηγησατο
G2233 V-ADI-3S τον G3588
T-ASM επαγγειλαμενον
G1861 V-ADP-ASM
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Mat_24:21-22 – Days cut short for
elect’s sake else no one would be saved
Mat_24:21 GRV εσται G2071 V-FXI-3S γαρ G1063 CONJ τοτε G5119 ADV θλιψις G2347 N-NSF [comp.
Joh_16:21] μεγαλη G3173 A-NSF οια G3634 R-NSF [St:
“such or what sort of”
AMGL: “what sort or manner of,
such as” (as WS)] ου G3756 PRT-N γεγονεν G1096 V-2RAI-3S απ G575 PREP αρχης G746 N-GSF κοσμου G2889 N-GSM εως G2193 CONJ του G3588 T-GSM νυν G3568 ADV ουδ G3761 ADV ου G3756 PRT-N μη G3361 PRT-N γενηται G1096 V-2ADS-3S
Mat_24:22 GRV
και G2532
CONJ ει
G1487 COND μη G3361
PRT-N εκολοβωθησαν
G2856 V-API-3P [pruned/checked/restrained;
St: G2849: dwarf/curtail > G2856: (figuratively) abridge:
- shorten (~ cut short)] αι
G3588 T-NPF ημεραι
G2250 N-NPF εκειναι
G1565 D-NPF ουκ G3756
PRT-N αν G302
PRT εσωθη
G4982 V-API-3S
πασα G3956
A-NSF σαρξ
G4561 N-NSF δια G1223
PREP δε
G1161 CONJ τους
G3588 T-APM εκλεκτους
G1588 A-APM [ἐκ,
ἐξ + λέγω] κολοβωθησονται
G2856 V-FPI-3P
αι G3588
T-NPF ημεραι
G2250 N-NPF εκειναι
G1565 D-NPF
[(A)
AMGL G2849: prune. 2. to check, restrain. 3. to chastise,
correct, punish; (B) WS: κολάζω kolázō; fut. kolásomai, from
kólos (n.f.), abridged, shortened.
To mutilate, prune, such as trees. Metaphorically, to correct, moderate.
In the NT, and generally, to discipline, punish, with the acc. (Act_4:21;
2Pe_2:9,
meaning to reserve as subject to punishment). Also from kólos
(n.f.): kōlúō (G2967), to cut off,
weaken, hinder.
(C)
WS: maimed, cut off. To cut off, mutilate (Sept.: 2Sa_4:12).
In the NT, used of time in the pass., meaning to cut off, shorten (Mat_24:22;
Mar_13:20).
-- (D) AMGL: to cut off, amputate
(LXX), hence, to curtail, shorten
(E) VGNT: properly = “amputate”…“maimed,” “mutilated,”]
Mat 22:13 Then the king
said to the servants, 'Tie him up hands and feet, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness;
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Mat 22:13 τότε εἶπεν ὁ βασιλεὺς τοῖς διακόνοις·
δήσαντες
αὐτοῦ πόδας καὶ χεῖρας ἄρατε αὐτὸν
καὶ ἐκβάλετε
εἰς τὸ
σκότος τὸ ἐξώτερον·
ἐκεῖ ἔσται ὁ κλαυθμὸς
καὶ ὁ βρυγμὸς
τῶν ὀδόντων.
Mat 22:13 τοτε TSBειπεν
ο βασιλευς
Aειπεν
τοις διακονοις
δησαντες
αυτου ποδας και χειρας TSBαρατε TSBαυτον TSBκαι
εκβαλετε Aαυτον εις το σκοτος το
εξωτερον εκει εσται
ο κλαυθμος
και ο βρυγμος
των οδοντων
Mat 22:14 "For many
are called, but few are chosen."
Mat 22:14 πολλοὶ
γάρ εἰσι
κλητοὶ, ὀλίγοι δὲ ἐκλεκτοί.
Rth_4:11 – Blessing to Make You
as Those Who Worked Mightiness in Ephrathah
Rth_4:11 WEB All the people who ·were
[KJV:
were]
in the gate, and the elders, said, ·We are [KJV:
We are]
witnesses. Yahweh make the woman who has come into
your house like Rachel and like Leah, which two built the house of Israel: and ·treat
you worthily [“חיל ועשׂה” – do (you?) mightiness]*
in Ephrathah, and be famous in Bethlehem:
[* MT: “חיל”
“ועשׂה” – KJV: do thou worthily; YLT: do thou
virtuously; NKJV: may you prosper; DRB (VUL): that she may be an example of
virtue; NIV (Not Inspired Version): May you have standing]
Rth_4:11 LB (LXX) And all the
people who were in the gate said, ·“We are witnesses” [Μάρτυρες]; and the elders [πρεσβύτεροι] said, “The Lord ·make [Δῴη] your wife [τὴν γυναῖκά
σου] who goes
into your house, as Rachel and as Leah, who both together built the house of
Israel, and wrought mightily in Ephratha [ἐποίησανV-AAI-3P δύναμινN-ASF – ABP: did
powerfully in Ephratah; CT (LXX): and laid the foundation of power in Ephratha], and there shall be a name to you in Bethlehem.
Rth_4:11 καὶ εἴποσαν
πᾶς ὁ λαὸς οἱ ἐν
τῇ πύλῃ Μάρτυρες.
καὶ οἱ πρεσβύτεροι
εἴποσαν Δῴη κύριος
τὴν γυναῖκά
σου τὴν εἰσπορευομένην
εἰς τὸν οἶκόν
σου ὡς Ραχηλ καὶ
ὡς Λειαν, αἳ ᾠκοδόμησαν
ἀμφότεραι τὸν
οἶκον Ισραηλ
καὶ ἐποίησαν δύναμιν
ἐν Εφραθα, καὶ ἔσται
ὄνομα ἐν
Βαιθλεεμ·
Rth 4:11 καιG2532 CONJ ειποσανV-AAI-3P παςG3956 A-NSM οG3588 T-NSM λαοςG2992 N-NSM οιG3588 T-NPM ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF πυληG4439 N-DSF μαρτυρεςG3144 N-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM πρεσβυτεροιG4245 A-NPMC ειποσανV-AAI-3P δωηG1325 V-AAO-3S κυριοςG2962 N-NSM τηνG3588 T-ASF γυναικαG1135 N-ASF σουG4771 P-GSM τηνG3588 T-ASF εισπορευομενηνG1531 V-PMPAS ειςG1519 PREP τονG3588 T-ASM οικονG3624 N-ASM σουG4771 P-GSM ωςG3739 CONJ ραχηλN-PRI καιG2532 CONJ ωςG3739 CONJ λειανN-PRI αιG3739 R-NPF ωκοδομησανG3618 V-AAI-3P αμφοτεραιA-NPF τονG3588 T-ASM οικονG3624 N-ASM ισραηλG2474 N-PRI καιG2532 CONJ εποιησανG4160 V-AAI-3P δυναμινG1411 N-ASF ενG1722 PREP εφραθαN-PRI καιG2532 CONJ εσταιG1510 V-FMI-3S ονομαG3686 N-NSN ενG1722 PREP βαιθλεεμN-PRI
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Rth_4:11 ויאמרוH559 said, כלH3605 And all העםH5971 the people אשׁרH834 that בשׁערH8179 in the gate, והזקניםH2205 and the elders, עדיםH5707 witnesses. יתןH5414 make יהוהH3068 The LORD אתH853 האשׁהH802 the woman הבאהH935 that is come אלH413 into ביתךH1004 thine house כרחלH7354 like Rachel וכלאהH3812 and like Leah, אשׁרH834 which בנוH1129 did build שׁתיהםH8147 two אתH853 ביתH1004 the house ישׂראלH3478 of Israel: ועשׂהH6213 and do חילH2428 thou worthily באפרתהH672 in Ephratah, וקראH7121 and be famous שׁםH8034 and be famous בבית לחם׃H1035 in Bethlehem:
Rth_4:11 vayo`m'ru cal ´ ha,aM `a$er ´ ba$a,ar v'haz'kaniyM ,adiyM yiTaN y'hvah `eT ´ ha`i$ah haba`ah `el ´
bayTeCa
c'raHal
uk'la`ah `a$er banu $'TayheM `eT ´ bayT yiS'ra`al va,aSah
´ Hayil b'`ef'raTah uk'ra`
´ $aM b'VayT laHeM
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1Ti_2:15 – They will be Saved in Childbearing if they Continue in...
1Ti_2:15 GRV σωθησεται*
G4982 V-FPI-3S δε G1161
CONJ δια
G1223 PREP της G3588
T-GSF τεκνογονιας
G5042 N-GSF
εαν G1437
COND μεινωσιν
G3306 V-AAS-3P εν G1722
PREP πιστει
G4102 N-DSF
και G2532
CONJ αγαπη
G26 N-DSF
και G2532
CONJ αγιασμω
G38 N-DSM μετα
G3326 PREP σωφροσυνης
G4997 N-GSF
[* Saved: from Gen_3:16:
(A) λύπαςN-APF…(B)
στεναγμόνN-ASM…
{θλιψεως (Joh_16:21)}
(A) λύπαιςN-DPF ]
1Ti_5:14
CAB Therefore I desire that the younger
widows to marry, to bear children
[τεκνογονεῖν], to
manage the house, to give no opportunity to the adversary because of reproach.
1Ti_5:14
βούλομαι οὖν
νεωτέρας
γαμεῖν, τεκνογονεῖν,
οἰκοδεσποτεῖν,
μηδεμίαν ἀφορμὴν
διδόναι τῷ
ἀντικειμένῳ
λοιδορίας
χάριν.
Gen_3:16
WEB To the woman he said, "I will
greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth
children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over
you."
Gen_3:16
CAB And to the woman He said, “I will
greatly multiply [Πληθύνων
πληθυνῶ] your pains [λύπας
– AMGL: pain of body or mind, grief, sorrow ; LJS: sad plight or condition] and
your groanings [στεναγμόν]; in
pain [λύπαις] ·you shall bring forth
children [τέξῃ τέκνα], and your
submission shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
Gen_3:16 καὶ τῇ
γυναικὶ εἶπεν Πληθύνων
πληθυνῶ τὰς λύπαςN-APF σου καὶ τὸν
στεναγμόνN-ASM σου, ἐν λύπαιςN-DPF τέξῃ G5088 V-FMI-2S
τέκνα G5043 N-APN· καὶ
πρὸς τὸν ἄνδρα
σου ἡ ἀποστροφή
σου, καὶ αὐτός
σου κυριεύσει.
λυπαςG3077 N-APF σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ τονG3588 T-ASM στεναγμονG4726 N-ASM σουG4771 P-GS ενG1722 PREP λυπαιςG3077 N-DPF
V: 3/29/19
btw there are alot
(maybe even the mass majority) of women that are saved in childbearing that do not
do this. Is there a special salvation for those who seek to obey the bible in
this way
Luk_8:50 – No fear, Only Believe.
And Salvation will Happen
Luk_8:50 GRV ο G3588 T-NSM δε G1161 CONJ ιησους
G2424 N-NSM
ακουσας
G191 V-AAP-NSM
απεκριθη G611 V-ADI-3S
αυτω G846 P-DSM λεγων G3004 V-PAP-NSMτσβ μη G3361 PRT-N φοβου
G5399 V-PNM-2S
μονον G3440 ADV πιστευσον G4100 V-AAM-2Sα πιστευε G4100 V-PAM-2Sτσβ και G2532 CONJ σωθησεται G4982 V-FPI-3S
See: Mar_5:36
Jam_5:15 – Prayer Of Faith Will Raise Up The Exhausted One
Jas_5:15 GRV και G2532 CONJ η G3588 T-NSF ευχη G2171 N-NSF της G3588 T-GSF πιστεως G4102 N-GSF
σωσει G4982 V-FAI-3S τον G3588 T-ASM καμνοντα G2577 V-PAP-ASM και G2532 CONJ
εγερει
G1453 V-FAI-3S
αυτον G846 P-ASM ο G3588 T-NSM κυριος
G2962 N-NSM καν G2579 COND-C
αμαρτιας G266 N-APF η G5600 V-PXS-3S
πεποιηκως G4160 V-RAP-NSM
αφεθησεται G863 V-FPI-3S
αυτω G846 P-DSM
Joh_16:21 – Once a Child is
Produced she Doesn't Remember her Sadness Anymore
Joh_16:21 η G3588 T-NSF
γυνη G1135 N-NSF οταν G3752 CONJ τικτη
G5088 V-PAS-3S λυπην G3077 N-ASF
εχει G2192 V-PAI-3S οτι G3754 CONJ ηλθεν
G2064 V-2AAI-3S η G3588 T-NSF ωρα G5610 N-NSF
αυτης G846 P-GSF οταν G3752 CONJ δε G1161 CONJ γεννηση G1080 V-AAS-3S το G3588 T-ASN παιδιον G3813 N-ASN ουκετι
G3765 ADVαβ ουκ G3756 PRT-Nτσ ετι G2089 ADVτσ μνημονευει G3421 V-PAI-3S της G3588 T-GSF θλιψεως G2347 N-GSF [Mat_24:21] δια G1223 PREP την G3588 T-ASF χαραν
G5479 N-ASF οτι G3754 CONJ εγεννηθη G1080 V-API-3S
ανθρωπος G444 N-NSM εις G1519 PREP τον G3588 T-ASM
κοσμον
G2889 N-ASM
>>>>> [Mat_24:21]
Heb_11:11 – by faith Sarah was given power to
throw down seed
G4723
Mat_24:22 – Days cut short for elects
sake else no one would be saved
Mat_22:14
Rth_4:11 – Blessing to make you as those who worked
mightiness in Ephrathah
1Ti_2:15 – They will be saved in childbearing if
they continue in...
Luk_8:50 – No fear only believe and salvation
will happen
Jam_5:15 – Prayer of faith will raise up the
exhausted one
Joh_16:21 – Once a child is produced she doesn't
remember her sadness anymore
Other dates (seen previously); 3/14/17; 1/29/18
Pro_3:12 - Scourges every
received son
Heb_12:6-12 - Quotes Pro_3:12 LXX (not the Heb. MT)
Pro_13:20 - Companion of fools
Pro_13:24 - No rod = hate son
Pro_19:18 (also: Pro_19:19) – Punish while hope
(MT: 'no spare for crying')
Pro_20:11 - LXX: youth restrained
(MT: 'children can know')
Pro_22:6 - Not in LXX (MT: ‘train
up’)
Pro_22:15 - Folly bound up... rod
Pro_23:13-14 - He will not die
Pro_23:24, etc. - LXX: Righteous
father brings up well; LXX & MT: father of wise = joy (Pro_27:11)
Pro_29:15 - LXX: Erring child
(MT: Left to himself) = shame
Pro_29:17 - Correct son, he give you good
[Pro_29:19 – servant can’t be child-corrected
with words…]
Eph_6:1-4 - Children obey...
Father's... no provoking... but discipline
[Pro_20:30 - LXX: bad happens to
bad (MT: blueness of wound)]
Deu 25:1 WEB If there be a controversy between men, and
they come to judgment, and the judges judge them; then they shall justify the
righteous, and condemn the wicked;
Deu 25:1 “And if there
should be a dispute between men, and they should come forward to judgment, and
the judges judge, and acquit the righteous, and condemn the wicked;
Deu 25:1 Ἐὰν δὲ γένηται
ἀντιλογία ἀνὰ
μέσον ἀνθρώπων
καὶ προσέλθωσιν
εἰς κρίσιν καὶ
κρίνωσιν καὶ
δικαιώσωσιν τὸν
δίκαιον καὶ
καταγνῶσιν τοῦ
ἀσεβοῦς,
Deu_25:2 WEB
and it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that
the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face,
according to his wickedness, by number.
Deu_25:2 LB
then it shall come to pass, if the unrighteous should be worthy
of stripes, you shall lay him down before the judges, and they shall scourge
him before them according to his iniquity.
Deu_25:2 καὶ ἔσται
ἐὰν ἄξιος ᾖ
πληγῶν ὁ ἀσεβῶν,
καὶ καθιεῖς αὐτὸν
ἔναντι τῶν
κριτῶν καὶ
μαστιγώσουσιν
αὐτὸν ἐναντίον
αὐτῶν κατὰ τὴν ἀσέβειαν
αὐτοῦ ἀριθμῷ.
Deu 25:3 WEB Forty stripes he may give him, he shall not
exceed; lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes,
then your brother should seem vile to you.
Deu 25:3 And they shall
scourge him with forty stripes in number, they shall not inflict more; for if
you should scourge him with more stripes beyond these stripes, your brother
will be disgraced before you.
Deu 25:3 τεσσαράκοντα
μαστιγώσουσιν
αὐτόν, οὐ προσθήσουσιν·
ἐὰν δὲ προσθῶσιν
μαστιγῶσαι αὐτὸν
ὑπὲρ ταύτας τὰς
πληγὰς πλείους,
ἀσχημονήσει ὁ ἀδελφός
σου ἐναντίον
σου.
Many Other date(s) (seen below); 9/9/19 (Major
Reformating/Revission); 10/20/19
Quick Summary of Growing Up
Bar Mitzvah
Bar
Mitzvah is when a male child in Jewish culture comes of age.
Although most observe this at 13 today, it seems to have been originally
recognized at 12 years old–which is what Jesus, His parents, and monotheistic
society observed and recognized in Luk_2:42. (Note the appropriate
significance of 12 among Monotheists.)
No Bat
Mitzvah, Only Transfer or Dismissal
It should be noted
that women do not come of age. Women do not have a bar mitzvah, and it is only more recently in history that
apostate liberals have invented a shameful bat mitzvah
in their degradation of women. Any concept like this is liberal and unfounded
in Biblical history. While boys become men, girls are transferred from their
fathers to their husbands (See all of Num_30:1-16). Women only become independent when their
men are out of the picture (example: death or abandonment).
Honoring
Parents is Life-Long
It is also
important to note that while boys “graduate” into becoming men, from being
under authority to becoming authorities, no son or daughter ever graduates from
honoring their parents (Eph_6:1-3; Col_3:20).
When you are a
child, honoring parents especially includes obeying them, and
when you are an adult it includes providing for them / giving them
money/value -- as seen in Divorce and Remarriage
Repentance Revolution).
>>Scrip /\/\
>> Prophetic Dishonor
Mat_10 -- Sword
>>TSK
Submit to Husband as unto Lord…
A requirement to obey Lord so you can
honor husband… can’t contradict
10/23/21
·
Appointed time by father (or
sometimes their current authority, if adopted for
example?) -- Gal_4
·
Not being under tutors or
guardians (i.e. no need/dependence upon being under supervision) -- Gal_4
(comp. Jesus stayed in a city by Himself -- Luk_2)
·
Autonomous Responsibility
(which is prerequisite for Autonomous Authority) -- seen throughout
numerous passages below
·
Put away childish things -- 1Co_13
Gal_4:1-2 – the time appointed by the father
Happens to boys,
including gentiles
[Also note that ‘a son is like a slave’ in Gal_4:1 and Sir_3:7 (where “Sir” =
“Sirach”)]
(A) ἐπιτρόπους: Mat_20:3, Luk_8:3; LXX: 2Ma_11:1
(p. 515 NETS); 2Ma_13:2; 2Ma_14:2
(B) οἰκονόμους:
Rom_2:12-16, Rom_2:25-29, etc.
>> Story: when
I was seeking to establish my manhood, I asked my dad
>> Story: I
have done adult spanking
1Co_13:11 – Grown Men: put away childish things
Notice that lots
of kids want to be treated like adults but aren’t as zealous for the properly
correlating responsibility of adulthood.
Child Play = Things of a Child
9/13/19; 10/20/19
Child Play is Biblical & Distinct
Zec_8:4 WEB Thus says Yahweh of Armies: "Old
men and old women will again dwell in the streets of Jerusalem,
every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
Zec_8:4 Thus says the Lord Almighty: ‘There
shall yet dwell old men and old women in the streets of
Jerusalem, everyone holding his staff in his hand for age.
Zec_8:4 τάδε λέγει
κύριος
παντοκράτωρ Ἔτι
καθήσονται
πρεσβύτεροι
καὶ πρεσβύτεραι
ἐν ταῖς πλατείαις
Ιερουσαλημ, ἕκαστος
τὴν ῥάβδον αὐτοῦ
ἔχων ἐν τῇ χειρὶ
αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ πλήθους
ἡμερῶν·
Zec_8:5 WEB The streets of the city will be full
of boys [יְלָדִ֖ים
(y'ladiyM) ???] and girls [וִֽילָד֑וֹת
(viyladOT) ???] playing [מְשַׂחֲקִ֖ים
(m'SaHakiyM)] in its streets."
Zec_8:5 And the broad
places of the city shall be filled with boys [παιδαρίων] and girls [κορασίων] playing [παιζόντων] in its streets.’
Zec_8:5 καὶ αἱ
πλατεῖαι τῆς πόλεως
πλησθήσονται
παιδαρίων καὶ
κορασίων παιζόντων
ἐν ταῖς πλατείαις
αὐτῆς.
Zec_8:6 WEB Thus says Yahweh of Armies: "If
it is marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should
it also be marvelous in my eyes?" says Yahweh of Armies.
Zec_8:6 Thus says the Lord Almighty: ‘If it shall
be impossible in the sight of the remnant of this people in those days, shall
it also be impossible in My sight?’” Says the Lord Almighty.
Zec_8:6 τάδε
λέγει κύριος
παντοκράτωρ
Διότι εἰ ἀδυνατήσει
ἐνώπιον τῶν
καταλοίπων τοῦ
λαοῦ τούτου ἐν
ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις,
μὴ καὶ ἐνώπιον ἐμοῦ
ἀδυνατήσει; λέγει
κύριος
παντοκράτωρ.
This blessing of (happy) “playing” children in the streets is idealized
as a beautiful restoration of redeemed society in Jerusalem.
Notice that there is something distinct between child play and adult
activity in society which is being idealized in this passage.
Adult Playing Examples
·
“Playing” Instruments
·
Worship/dancing like David (“ומשׂחק”/παίζοντα in 1Ch 15:29 -- same
as Zec_8:5 Heb/Gr)
·
This “playing” terminology works
in Hebrew Greek and English.
·
Marriage celebration like Isaac
Child Play vs Adult Play
·
Healthy child play particularly
means creatively practicing things that get you ready for being an adult.
·
Healthy adult play means
celebrating good things worthy of praise and happiness.
·
Adults can also “creatively
practice things” to gain new skills and such, but this is usually called gym-nize/exercise/train in the Bible.
·
While adults are said to “play” in
the Bible
·
There is a required social
transition if a Monotheist was to pass from being a Zec_8:5 child to a Zec_8:4 older man or woman.
·
These comparisons are
generalizations, but they still effectively help us consider the distinct
social realities between children and grown-ups.
The Mockery of Childing
a Man
·
Law of Moses prescribes it as a
shaming punishment for some guilty men (ex. Deu_22)
·
If done to a holy man it deserves
death: 2Ki_2:23, etc.
For the concept (and language) of “Autonomy” See: Rom_2:
Num_30:2 – “Of Age” Means you're personally
responsible for your own actions, especially in view of God's Law
(See all of Num_30:1-16)
1Co_11:3 – The head / authority of every (grown)
man [ἀνδρὸς]
is Anointed One (“Christ”) (while the head of woman is still man, even after
she is “grown”)
Greek: ἀνδρὸς – this does not
include boys [παῖδας],
girls [παιδισκῶν],
or even women [γυναῖκές],
but every MAN [ἀνδρὸς].
Joh_9:20-21 – parents: He is of
age... He will speak for himself
The Jewish Coming of Age
Luk_2:40-52
·
Luk_2:7 – Jesus Born
·
Luk_2:22-24 – Jesus dedicated as a child
·
Luk_2:42 – Twelve years old
·
Luk_2:46-47 – Jesus did Bar Mitzvah
·
Luk_2:51 – Voluntary, re-subjection to parents
Mar_3:20-21 –
Mother & brothers incited against Jesus
Mar_3:31-34 –
Jesus acts contrary to His mother's wishes
>> TSK!
>> woman from the crowd
1Ki_2:19 –
Solomon honors her
1Ki_2:20-25 – Solomon does not yield his male
authority as king to his mother
>> 12 Sons of Jacob: - had a say in
leading the decision about their sister - for better or worse: They had a say
on whether or not they would do as their father requested for them to go to
Egypt
>> prodigal
son was free to go make his own decisions
Gen_43:1-5 – Judah made conditions (is this a right example for us? It was bad
in: Gen_34:30-31, because
later: Gen_49:5-7)
Luk_15:11-13
– The younger brother made a choice…
Luk_15:25-32 – The older brother also had a
choice…
5/30/16
Esther -- of
course this is the case with girls, but she did so even after being married
off!
Recobites
Patriarchs: Isaac
submitting even unto death!
Ishmael
to his mom? (partly)
Jacob to Rebecca
Jesus’
re-subjection
>> Jesus’ re-subjection
Adult "Spanking"?
When Boys Fail to Become Men…
When to spank and when not to
spank society?
Correction ≠ Violence
·
Adult
Spanking/Correction/Punishment is not "destroying men's lives" or
“violence” by very definition
>> Story: Mentally ill who still need to be spanked
Law of Moses – you will
chastise him (lit. child)
Ezra & Nehemiah
Proverbs – Slave &
Fool punishment
Jesus throwing out money
changers
Mat_21:12-17;
Mar_11:15-19; Luk_19:45-48; Joh_2:13-16
Limitation: masters give up threatening (and turning the other cheek in
general…)
Abortion is Murder
Other dates; 3/10/17-3/13/17 (especially in light of baby number two pregnancy test); 6/6/17
Luk_1:23-44; Luk_1:56-58
2Ki_16:3;
2Ki_23:10;
2Ch_33:6;
Eze_16:20-21
Others:
2Ki_17:17; Lev_18:21, Lev_20:2; Deu_12:31,
Deu_18:10; Psa_106:37; Psa_106:38; Jer_32:35 – Such murder never even came into God’s mind to do; Eze_16:21, Eze_20:26, Eze_20:31
Where do you stand on the issue
of abortion?
3/13/17 (recompiled)
It
goes without saying that the Bible opposes murder of every kind, even
specifically including abortion.
Abortion
is murder. Killing a baby inside of the womb is no less murder than
killing one outside, and murderers do not go to Heaven, (1Jo 3:15) unless they
repent from being a murderer.
The
Bible says that killing a baby inside the womb is a murder worthy of death,
therefore, it is a murder worthy of death: Exo 21:22-25; Rom 1:32. Many other times as well,
the Bible recognizes that a baby in the womb is alive and even capable of
spiritual activity: Lk 1:24, 26, 36, 39-44, 56-57
Of
course, I would never be the one to cast a stone to enforce such a just death
penalty, lest I also be found to have been a murderer in my heart at one time
in my past, (and so condemn myself). [These things are verified in these
Scriptures: Mat 5:21-22;
1John 3:15; John 8:7; Luk 9:56]. In fact, I would
feel privileged to have a part in helping someone recover from participating in
such a horrible experience.
Image Icon Absolutely Proves No murder of Babies
When does a person get a soul? (even more importantly, a Spirit) -- this has been debated for thousands of years, but before we
answer this, we do know that man is made in the image of God (and women are
hidden within the rib of this image) and based on this God said not to murder!
No matter what you say about the details --
humans have always been commanded not to murder the image of God!
>> Num_5
Deu 22:22 WEB If a man be found lying with a woman
marriedH1166 to [i.e. mastered by] a
husband, then they shall both of them die, the man who lay with the woman, and
the woman: so you shall put away the evil from Israel.
TAR: If a man be found lying
with another's wife, both of them shall
be put to death; the mail who hath lain with the woman, and the woman. Even if she be with child, they shall not wait
till she is delivered, but in the same hour they shall put them to death by
strangulation with the napkin, and cast away the evil doer from
Israel.
>> Sync: DRRR | FamC
> Abortion (Deu 22:22)
>> Greek
>> David killed/aborted those who burned
their children - an eye for an eye... showing us that abortion is a crime you
deserve to be torturously killed for, in the same way you murder your children
Num_5: -- a God-induced abortion vs. “she will conceive seed”
It is always God prerogative to abort adulteress
children, just as it is always God’s prerogative to kill anyone whom He deems
unfit to live
>> it goes
without saying that there is always redemption for those born of fornication or
adultery and as seen in Judges
David’s adulteress child was aborted by God
Praying against Abortion
Num_12:12
WEB Let her not, I pray, be as one dead,
of whom the flesh is half consumed when he comes out of his mother's
womb."
Num_12:12 LB Let her not be like death, as an abortion coming out of his
mother's womb, when the disease devours the half of the flesh.”
Num_12:12
μὴ γένηται ὡσεὶ
ἴσον θανάτῳ, ὡσεὶ
ἔκτρωμα ἐκπορευόμενον
ἐκ μήτρας μητρὸς
καὶ κατεσθίει
τὸ ἥμισυ τῶν
σαρκῶν αὐτῆς.
---------------
Abortion
Other date; 11/4/17
Deu_12:31 WEB
You shall not do so to Yahweh your God: for every abomination to
Yahweh, which he hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons and
their daughters do they burn in the fire to their gods.
Deu_12:31 LB
You shall not do so to your God; for they have sacrificed to
their gods the abominations of the Lord which He hates, for they burn their
sons and their daughters in the fire, to sacrifice to their gods.
Deu_12:31 οὐ
ποιήσεις οὕτως
κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ
σου· τὰ γὰρ
βδελύγματα, ἃ κύριος
ἐμίσησεν, ἐποίησαν
τοῖς θεοῖς αὐτῶν,
ὅτι τοὺς υἱοὺς
αὐτῶν καὶ τὰς
θυγατέρας αὐτῶν
κατακαίουσιν ἐν
πυρὶ τοῖς θεοῖς
αὐτῶν.
Deu_18:9 WEB
When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you,
you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deu_18:9 LB
“And when you shall have entered into the land which the Lord
your God gives you, you shall not learn to do according to the abominations of
those nations.
Deu_18:9 Ἐὰν
δὲ εἰσέλθῃς εἰς
τὴν γῆν, ἣν κύριος
ὁ θεός σου δίδωσίν
σοι, οὐ μαθήσῃ
ποιεῖν κατὰ τὰ
βδελύγματα τῶν
ἐθνῶν ἐκείνων.
Deu_18:10 WEB There shall not
be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the
fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a
sorcerer,
Deu_18:10 There shall not be found in you
one who purges his son or his daughter with fire, or one who uses divination,
or one who deals with omens, or a sorcerer
Deu_18:10 οὐχ
εὑρεθήσεται ἐν
σοὶ περικαθαίρων
τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ
ἢ τὴν θυγατέρα
αὐτοῦ ἐν πυρί,
μαντευόμενος
μαντείαν,
κληδονιζόμενος
καὶ οἰωνιζόμενος,
φαρμακός,
>>
Sync: WoW | LOG | SPI | SRP (Deu_18:13)
| FamC (Deu_18:9-10)
>>
TSK (Abortion)
abortion has long been one of the worst abominations of the gentile nations
this is later called the "killing of the innocents"
Deu_27:25 WEB
Cursed be he who takes a bribe to kill an innocent person. All
the people shall say, Amen.
Deu_27:25 LB
“’Cursed is the man that shall take a bribe to slay an innocent
man.’ And all the people shall say, Amen.’
Deu_27:25 Ἐπικατάρατος
ὃς ἂν λάβῃ δῶρα
πατάξαι ψυχὴν
αἵματος ἀθῴου·
καὶ ἐροῦσιν πᾶς
ὁ λαός Γένοιτο.
>> Sync: FamC |
SPI > Spirit, Soul, body
….
do not abort unplanned pregnancies
we are commanded by example to not destroy life even if it is unplanned
and/or unwanted
Lot
did not have his daughters pregnancies aborted even though they were conceived
through unwilling incest
Juda
also let Tamar have his baby
David
did not even abort the baby conceived in his adultery, but recognized that God
was the only one who could make such a decision...
we need to be spiritual like Mary and faithfully receive strange
situations, even if it means preserving the life that is inconveniently born
out of wedlock.
---------------
>>> Exo 1 !!!
Abortion
~2009/10/(11);
1/25/13; 4/1/13; 3/28/14; 3/11/15; 9/23/16; 3/13/17 (recompiled)
Abraham “sacrificed” his only son
Gen_42:37 WEB
Reuben spoke to his father, saying, "Kill my two sons, if I don't bring
him to you. Entrust him to my care, and I will bring him to you again."
Gen_42:37 CAB
And Reuben spoke to his father, saying, Kill my two sons if I do not bring him back to you; give him into my hand, and I
will bring him back to you.
Gen_42:37
εἶπεν δὲ
Ρουβην τῷ πατρὶ
αὐτοῦ λέγων Τοὺς
δύο υἱούς μου ἀπόκτεινον,
ἐὰν μὴ ἀγάγω αὐτὸν
πρὸς σέ δὸς αὐτὸν
εἰς τὴν χεῖρά
μου, κἀγὼ ἀνάξω
αὐτὸν πρὸς σέ.
>> TSK?
>>Scrip:
Example of ‘Killing all his house’
Korrah
Hamen
Parents enforce death penalty
---------------
10/1/16; 7/11/17
2Ki_24:3 WEB Surely at the commandment of Yahweh came this on Judah, to
remove them out of his sight, for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that
he did,
2Ki_24:3 CAB
Moreover it was the purpose of the Lord concerning Judah, to remove them from
His presence, because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he did.
2Ki_24:3
πλὴν ἐπὶ τὸν
θυμὸν κυρίου ἦν
ἐν τῷ Ιουδα ἀποστῆσαι
αὐτὸν ἀπὸ προσώπου
αὐτοῦ ἐν ἁμαρτίαις
Μανασση κατὰ πάντα,
ὅσα ἐποίησεν·
2Ki_24:4 and
also for the innocent blood that he shed; for he filled Jerusalem with innocent
blood: and Yahweh would not pardon.
2Ki_24:4
Moreover he shed innocent blood, and filled Jerusalem with innocent blood, and
the Lord would not pardon it.
2Ki_24:4
καί γε αἷμα ἀθῷον
ἐξέχεεν καὶ ἔπλησεν
τὴν
Ιερουσαλημ αἵματος
ἀθῴου· καὶ οὐκ ἠθέλησεν
κύριος ἱλασθῆναι.
>> context:
does this describe child sacrifice
>> TSK!!!
Mat_2:13-23
Jer_19:4, Pro_6:17, Deu_21:1-9
---------------
8/27/15
What is lawful...ro
do good or evil, To save life or to destroy life
---------------
>> Jer_7:31
> find other refs to Luke passages
> so-called
'Epistle of Barnabas'?
> Num_5: / other city anialations – only time when
it was right to killl babys
Act_7:19
Eze_16:20
Hos_9:13 – compare MT vs.
LXX
Egyptian Mandated
Abortions
> exodus /
exodos Refs?
Wis_11:14 Brenton For whom they
respected with scorn, when he was long before thrown out at the casting forth
of the infants, him in the end, when they saw what came to pass, they admired.
Wis_12:3-7 Brenton For it was thy will to destroy by the hands
of our fathers both those old inhabitants of thy holy land, 4 Whom
thou hatedst
for doing most odious works of witchcrafts, and wicked sacrifices; 5 And
also those merciless murderers of children,
and devourers of man's flesh, and the feasts
of blood, 6 With their priests out of the midst of their
idolatrous crew, and the parents, that killed
with their own hands souls destitute of help
[compare NETS]: 7 That the land, which thou esteemedst
above all other, might receive a worthy colony of God's children.
Wis_14:21-28 Brenton [NETS, p 710] And this was an occasion
to deceive the world: for men, serving either calamity or tyranny, did ascribe
unto stones and stocks the incommunicable name [פὸ ἀךןיםώםחפןם
ὄםןלב]. 22 Moreover this was not
enough for them, that they erred in the knowledge of God; but whereas they
lived in the great war of ignorance, those so great plagues called they peace. 23 For whilst they slew their children in sacrifices, or
used secret ceremonies, or made revellings of strange
rites; 24 They kept neither lives nor marriages any
longer undefiled: but either one slew another
traitorously, or grieved him by adultery. 24 They kept neither lives
nor marriages any longer undefiled: but either one slew another traitorously,
or grieved him by adultery. 25 So that there reigned in all men without
exception blood, manslaughter,
theft, and dissimulation, corruption, unfaithfulness, tumults, perjury, 26
Disquieting of good men, forgetfulness of good turns, defiling of souls,
changing of kind, disorder in marriages, adultery, and shameless uncleanness. 27 For the worshipping of idols not to be
named is the beginning, the cause, and the end, of all evil. 28 For either they are mad when they be
merry, or prophesy lies, or live unjustly, or else lightly forswear themselves.
> this passages is in mvp – get any
updates
Wis_18:5 Brenton And when they had determined to slay
the babes of the saints, one child being cast forth, and saved, to reprove
them, thou tookest away the multitude of their
children, and destroyedst them altogether in a mighty
water.
Wis_18:10-13 Brenton But on the other side there sounded an
ill according cry of the enemies, and a lamentable noise was carried abroad for
children that were bewailed. 11 The master and the
servant were punished after one manner; and like as the king, so suffered the
common person. 12 So they all together had innumerable
dead with one kind of death; neither were the living sufficient to bury them:
for in one moment the noblest offspring of them was destroyed. 13 For whereas they would not believe any thing by reason of the enchantments; upon the
destruction of the firstborn, they acknowledged this people to be the sons of
God.
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Mic_1:16 WEB Shave your heads, and cut off your
hair for the children of your delight. Enlarge your baldness like the vulture;
for they have gone into captivity from you!
Mic_1:16 LB Shave your hair, and make yourself
bald for your delicate children; increase your widowhood as an eagle; for your
people have gone into captivity from you.
Mic_1:16 ξύρησαι
καὶ κεῖραι ἐπὶ
τὰ τέκνα τὰ
τρυφερά σου, ἐμπλάτυνον
τὴν χηρείαν
σου ὡς ἀετός, ὅτι
ᾐχμαλωτεύθησαν
ἀπὸ σοῦ.
>> Sync: FamC
| Lux | Pur > Ignorant Punishment
>> for more
see: Pur > Ignorant Punishment
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“Friends” vs. Real
Friends
Other date; 3/19/18
>>
don’t be a companion of fools!!!!
Joh15
-- real friends include your authorities
Comp:
prodigal son & older bro!
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10/14/17
Deu_8:5 WEB
You shall consider in your heart that as a man chastens his son,
so Yahweh your God chastens you.
Deu_8:5 LB
And you shall know in your heart, that as if any man should
chasten his son, so the Lord your God will chasten you.
Deu_8:5
καὶ γνώσῃ τῇ
καρδίᾳ σου ὅτι ὡς
εἴ τις παιδεύσαι
ἄνθρωπος τὸν υἱὸν
αὐτοῦ, οὕτως κύριος
ὁ θεός σου
παιδεύσει σε,
Deu_8:6 WEB
You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in
his ways, and to fear him.
Deu_8:6 And you shall keep the commands of
the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to fear Him.
Deu_8:6
καὶ φυλάξῃ τὰς
ἐντολὰς κυρίου
τοῦ θεοῦ σου
πορεύεσθαι ἐν
ταῖς ὁδοῖς αὐτοῦ
καὶ φοβεῖσθαι
αὐτόν.
>> comp Hebrews 12
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When God does not Rejoice
in the life of Children!
5/28/17
>>Scrip:
Prepare slaughter for her children
Sirach: don’t rejoice in hords
of evil children
Job: the scorn of children
2Ki_2:23-25 CAB And he went up
there to Bethel [Already been there: 2Ki_2:2-3; Comp: idols of Jeroboam & Jehu: 2Ki_10:29 (2Ki_23:4); 2Ki_23:15; 2Ki_23:17, 2Ki_23:19; (Hos_10:5)]. And as he was going up
by the road, there came up also little children from the city, and mocked him,
and said to him, Go up, baldhead [paganism against weakness vs. monotheism’s glory in age Lev_13:40-41], go up. 24 And he turned
after them, and saw them, and cursed [κατέπαιζον] them in the name of the Lord. And behold,
there came out two bears out of the woods [2Sa_17:8; Pro_17:12, Hos_13:8],
and they mauled forty-two children [παῖδας] among them.
25 And
he went from there to Mount Carmel,
and returned from there to Samaria.
2Ki_2:23-25 Greek καὶ ἀνέβη
ἐκεῖθεν εἰς
Βαιθηλ· καὶ ἀναβαίνοντος
αὐτοῦ ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ
καὶ παιδάρια
μικρὰ ἐξῆλθον ἐκ
τῆς πόλεως καὶ
κατέπαιζον αὐτοῦ
καὶ εἶπον αὐτῷ Ἀνάβαινε,
φαλακρέ, ἀνάβαινε. 24 καὶ ἐξένευσεν
ὀπίσω αὐτῶν καὶ
εἶδεν αὐτὰ καὶ κατηράσατο
αὐτοῖς ἐν ὀνόματι
κυρίου, καὶ ἰδοὺ
ἐξῆλθον δύο ἄρκοι
ἐκ τοῦ δρυμοῦ
καὶ ἀνέρρηξαν ἐξ
αὐτῶν τεσσαράκοντα
καὶ δύο παῖδας. 25 καὶ ἐπορεύθη
ἐκεῖθεν εἰς τὸ ὄρος
τὸ Καρμήλιον
καὶ ἐκεῖθεν ἐπέστρεψεν
εἰς Σαμάρειαν.
>> Sync: FamC
| jojB
Hos_4:6 CAB
My people are like as if they had no knowledge: because you have
rejected knowledge, I also will reject you, that you shall not minister as
priest unto Me: and as you have
forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
Hos_4:6 Greek ὡμοιώθη ὁ
λαός μου ὡς οὐκ ἔχων
γνῶσιν· ὅτι σὺ ἐπίγνωσιν
ἀπώσω, κἀγὼ ἀπώσομαι
σὲ τοῦ μὴ ἱερατεύειν
μοι· καὶ ἐπελάθου
νόμον θεοῦ σου,
κἀγὼ ἐπιλήσομαι
τέκνων σου.
>> Sync: FamC
| jojB
>> [excerpt from other BBS’]
Hos_5:7 WEB They are unfaithful to Yahweh; for
they have borne illegitimateH2114 [זרים (Lexical: זוּר) –
turned asside / starnge] children. Now ·the new moon [KJV: a month] willH2320 [“חדשׁ”] devour them with their fields [flat-ness?].
Hos_5:7 CAB For they have forsaken [ἐγκατέλιπον
(same as 2Ch_32:31 with Hezekiah)] the Lord; for strange [ἀλλότρια
– lit. other] children [τέκνα] have been born [ἐγεννήθησαν] to them: now [νῦν] shall the cankerworm [ἡ ἐρυσίβη
– ABP: blight*]
devour [καταφάγεται] them and their heritage [κλήρους].
Hos_5:7 ὅτι τὸν
κύριον ἐγκατέλιπον,
ὅτι τέκνα ἀλλότρια
ἐγεννήθησαν αὐτοῖς·
νῦν καταφάγεται
αὐτοὺς ἡ ἐρυσίβη
καὶ τοὺς κλήρους
αὐτῶν.
[* “blight” = “a plant disease, especially
one caused by fungi such as mildews, rusts, and smuts” (Google /
Oxford American College Dictionary?)]
>> See: LUX | Lov
| DHG | FamC (partly)
>> See: Pop: dhg -- for all the context!
>> update formatting LUX > DHG
Mic 1:16 WEB Shave your heads, and cut off your
hair for the children of your delight. Enlarge your baldness like the vulture;
for they have gone into captivity from you!
Mic 1:16 LB Shave your hair, and make yourself
bald for your delicate children; increase your widowhood as an eagle; for your
people have gone into captivity from you.
Mic 1:16 ξύρησαι
καὶ κεῖραι ἐπὶ
τὰ τέκνα τὰ
τρυφερά σου, ἐμπλάτυνον
τὴν χηρείαν
σου ὡς ἀετός, ὅτι
ᾐχμαλωτεύθησαν
ἀπὸ σοῦ.
>> Sync: FamC
| Lux
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Having
“Family Time”
~5/1/17; 5/5/17
Lev_23: --
some "rests" were "meetings" of just the family resting in
the house together
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4/11/17
Lev_19:32
WEB " 'You
shall rise up before the gray head, and honor the face of an old man, and you
shall fear your God. I am Yahweh.
Lev_19:32 LB ‘You shall rise up
before the gray-headed, and honor the face of the old man, and shall fear your
God: I am the Lord your God.
Lev_19:32 ἀπὸ
προσώπου πολιοῦ
ἐξαναστήσῃ καὶ
τιμήσεις πρόσωπον
πρεσβυτέρου
καὶ φοβηθήσῃ τὸν
θεόν σου· ἐγώ εἰμι
κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν.
>> Sync: FamCo
| Sub
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Can
Good Parents Have Bad Children?
10/16/14; 10/23/14;
2/11/15; 2/21/17 (recompiled)
Cain
Prodigal son
Samual's sons not following in his ways
Jacob
Can Good
Parents Hope to Have Good Children?
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob... Joseph
(That's almost where it stopped...)
2Ki 2 -- the prophets seemed to have
had many prophetic children! (and maybe this was by
polygamy…) -- why
is this different than Samuel? Did their comunal
values preserve them in Prophecy? Samuel was immersed in a hard-hearted
culture...... where even Eli's sons rebelled previously....
MT: Train up
a child -- this has not been affirmed yet
Philip's daughters
Timothy
Psa 127:5 -
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7/31/13
Sir_7:20-28 Brenton
Whereas thy servant worketh truly,
entreat him not evil. nor the hireling that bestoweth himself wholly for thee. 21 Let thy soul love a good servant [Heb: as
yourself], and defraud him not of liberty. 22 Hast thou cattle? have an eye to them: and if they be for thy profit, keep
them with thee. 23 Hast thou children? instruct
them, and bow down their neck from their youth.
24 Hast
thou daughters? have a care of their body, and shew
not thyself cheerful toward them. 25 Marry thy
daughter, and so shalt thou have performed a weighty matter: but give her to a
man of understanding. 26 Hast thou a wife *after thy mind [* κατὰ
ψυχήν – not in Heb or Syr!!]? forsake her not [μὴ ἐκβάλῃς
αὐτήν – do not throw her out (i.e. Do not divorce her)]: but *give not thyself over [* ἐμπιστεύσῃς
σεαυτόν] to a *light woman [* μισουμένῃ]. 27 Honour
thy father with thy whole heart, and forget not the sorrows of thy mother. 28 Remember that thou wast
begotten of them; and how canst thou recompense them the things that they have
done for thee?
Sir_3:1-16
(Incl. Honoring
father to atone for sins)
Daughters to NOT have a Batmizfa in the Bible
12/31/12
- it is an evil and
perverted, modern invention
- the fact that
women never had a batmizfa absolutely proves that she
is never intependant apart from her man (husband or
father) departing from her (by death or abandoning property)
- see previous thoughts on: the head of woman is still man after being grown
- father held his
daughter as much as he demanded for as long as he did not give her away
>> add:
Jeptha had to fulfill his commitment to offer up his daughter
because he was her absolute authority and there was no one who could lawfully
intervene. But Saul could not fulfill his commitment in killing Jonathan,
because Saul was not Jonathan’s absolute authority in a paternal sense, but he
could only issue that decree as his king, and because
of this, there were people who could and did intervene. No one could lawfully
step between the authority of Jeptha and his
daughter, but people could step between Saul’s orders and his son’s life.
11/30/12
11/23/12
Wis_3:10-13 Brenton
But the ungodly shall be punished according to their own
imaginations, which have neglected the righteous, and forsaken the Lord. 11 For whoso despiseth
wisdom and nurture, he is miserable, and their hope is vain, their labours unfruitful, and their works unprofitable: 12 Their wives are foolish, and their children wicked: 13 Their offspring is cursed. Wherefore blessed is the barren
that is undefiled, which hath not known the sinful bed: she shall have fruit in
the visitation of souls.
Children need to be in
subjection
Lev_19:32 - Rise before gray head
Rom_13:7 - Give all their dues
Gal_4:1-2 > Luk_17:7-10
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Main Contents: Intro |
Husbands and Wives | Children
Main Contents: Intro |
Husbands and Wives | Children
Family Commands – Additional Considerations
and Enduring Questions
10/10/11 (Relocated); 8/10/13 reincorporated
everything emphasized
honor to honor due
> what
has God laid upon children ?
> respect old face
--
maybe not a good example
Future Plans
At some point I need to capitalize on the
fact that Peter urges the wife to suffer in the same way as slaves endure
injustice.
Eph
Notice these things: Order, Profound, Amazing
Submission, Martyr-level Love and protection
Coming of Age – 1/29/10
email response to Jim II:
I am also finally replying to your email about “Cell
phone contact”
With a Daughter –
If not married off, I would do what seemed to be in her best interest, which would
generally mean that no one dangerous talks to her, and if necessary, I would
monitor, restrict, or even deny communication with anyone who would attempt to
turn her hart away from her father. Women are not designed to defend
themselves, but they are made to come under the protection of men. Jesus can
help isolated believing women, but this is the exception where supernatural
help is strongly needed. And it is not right to put God to the test in this
area when He has not seen fit to lay it upon a person in His (all wise)
providence.
With Sons –
If they are older than 12 I would let them and even charge them to be men who
ultimately are solely responsible for managing their own lives. If they
remained faithful to me and wanted to continue in what I preached I would give
them charges according to truth, as a father also of their faith as Abraham was
to his sons (also see Rom_4:12-17
etc.), but this has to be their decision to commit to it, if they would
continue in my faith after they passed the age of 12.
I hope it would help you to look at this brief
summary of children that I wrote:
http://www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/Family_Commands.html#Children
And I even began a new point in light of your
question:
http://www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/Family_Commands.html#ComingofAge
hope
this helps
Man clinging to a woman,
as a MAN
The more voluntarily subjected a wife is to
her husband, the more deeply she is welded to his insides before he can even
help it. If you can jump right in to subjection, you will jump right into his
heart before he realizes or thinks to open the door.
- I like persecuted writer - D’s attitude: He can’t stay me at me
for too long
If punishment were still permitted:
For godliness…
- it would explain a
lot of things
- just having your
face facing that direction, would not make him love you less, but profoundly
and deeply more (why? subjection)
- should a woman now who is not punished
stand confidently if a man raises his hand, when God expected Egypt to react?
Isa_19:16 Brenton
But in that day the Egyptians shall be as women, in fear and in
trembling because of the hand of the Lord of hosts…
- it would more
closely reflect Christ and the church
- it would have to
be that it would continue (I think) in the exact same sense as it has with
children continuing to be punished, because otherwise: a “child is not
different at all from a slave” – and we don’t seem to be allowed to beat them…
(unless beating without threatening? I think not. God
threatens)
- younger women were
married to older men to have more of that kind of relationship
- it would not be so
difficult in a godly set up, but the problem comes BIG time in an ungodly one
> either way:
“WITHOUT fear or amazement”
-WHY?
If a child crumbles under fear, then he will also compromise under fear
– this is not an option for a woman of God who must keep truth to her own heart
-what is bad is if a woman did not care if it
was scriptural or not, but sought out someone who did not believe it for the
sake of “preference” and “safety”
-either way a woman should still be subjected
under a “crewel master,” but I her life I in danger, flee.
How the Rape “Need” is
Defeated
This is profound:
- subjection to
punishment would undercut and replace the perversion that drives a man to rape
Practically speaking:
- A man would never think to rape anyone if
he had the need met of a fully subjected wife who
would even take punishment. That would chase away any such thought.
-You have undercut any room the devil may use
in a man to drive him to this
But you say: only perverts have that type of
mindset
- but you don’t
understand!
- I’ve seen various men of extremely
different dispositions who have no desire to hurt anyone being driven by this
same need and torment that craves rape. I’ve wondered for years… how is that
met in the right way?
The BIG problem is:
- Rap is like murder
- To a woman it is a monster,
to men it is driven out of horrible death of unmet possession
- Men are not at all innocent, but this is
the direction it comes out of
- Without justifying any sin, still, often
you must understand it to oppose and defeat it
- Those who rape are fully darkened so that
they will murder another to console what is tormentingly
missing, (like the murderer of those school girls in PA who had previously lost
his daughter).
- those who do
cannot do it without being overrun with demonic torment and chains. Comparable to Judas who in torment and possession betrayed Jesus
and then ran off a cliff.
- Men don’t always realize it: they don’t let
themselves believe it is a monster, especially if she gives even a little hint
of leeway
- even some men who
abhor it, have this very same torment that could potentially drive them to it
- so don’t think ‘he
would never want to hurt me’ - because that is not how he thinks of it
- He is living in an immoral culture that is
denying the virtue of women, so how is it wrong to him if he defiles a person’s
body when cleanness is not what either of them is seeking?
- in the same way
those who are violated, themselves, always get trapped in bad relationships
(homosexuals, or men who are scoundrels, and women who are violated usually end
up with dishonest uncaring men)
- so also men,
through torment, are driven toward this very thing toward others that would
kill a woman
- fist they need to
hear loud and clear: YOU ARE MURDERING, but once they have halted we need to do
some serious work to remove that nature
- Rape is not just a “don’t be a pervert”
problem. Some people who you think are normal have this type of problem. The
need must be addressed in the right way to secure the passion from ever
bursting out in the disaster of rape.
- the relationships
in this culture are not giving a solution to any of these problems.
- Profound subjection, profoundly fixes, profound problems and produces profoundly unexpected
and beautiful results.
But some may feel: “I don’t just want to be
an answer to a need” but
- how would it turn
a man to love a woman if she fit so perfectly in his life?
- now she would be
welcomed into his heart and life
Story:
I know a man in family who at first violated
a woman and used to vehemently oppose me, but then got a wife who was
ridiculously subjected to him: He eventually turned and is completely ashamed
and broken over what he did.
I wonder
How would Jesus handle disciplining children?
How would He handle “ruling His own house”
(on earth)
Difficulty on guy side of things is how to
rule in cretin cases... yet the Bible absolutely demands this...????
I know how to rule bad children, but not bad
wives...
what if you were married to unsaved wife? How can
you rule? Even more: how would you "punish"?
Difference between church and Prostitute
-Arrows aimed at face
-punish them to their face to destroy them
But on the other hand Miriam:
if a father spit in her face, unclean for
certain days
Punishment purifies and removes cancer
"so that all of
the churches will know... that I am he who searches"
abuse darkens with evil hopelessness
> It does make a man a man
if it works right this is what it does...
The more a righteous man can be a man (the
way things ought to be) the more he is going to be propelled in to cleaving
hard fast to his wife in love. The more the bond is accessed the stonger it fortifies in His emotions. When things work
right it welds a man to a woman... the way a woman has always wanted... she
wants to get into his world, but for some reason he clams up and does not want
her in... women feel violated physically when a man
does not crave to love her, and men clam up emotionally when she does not crave
to be subject to him.
- spiritually a man
is caused to have less male hormons physically
- may be a partial reason why so many men
don't love their wives. If she is a nag... he does not want to talk to her.
Punishment may fix this, but abuse only worsens it! She only nags him more, and
he can only abuse her for it.
...But he can be forced to want to open up to
a wife who is extreemly subjected to him... this wins
him over "without a word" and prays Himself open with his own crow-bar,
so woman can be cherished to be a part of his life. If you are self-driven,
demanding, particular, pushing him to be a certin
way, having requirements, he will naturally close off his heart and feel
strange to have you wanting to come in!
But don't worry... when he is old he will wimp out.
DON'T SETTLE FOR WIMPING
OUT!
Older men are sometimes hyped up on getting
men to concede:
- you will learn one day that you cannot
force a woman to go your way (which would be true if she is rebellious, but not
true in general, nor is this the way it ought to be)
- Men and women get to a point that they joke
about how in control "she" is
- they laugh it off
- If you make jokes about it, then you are
not willing to take seriously enough to change. (Dad's about moms
rebellion, mothers who joke about daughter's attitude)
-Don’t laugh off anything you really want to
see changed
- Male smashing seems ok when the women are
moderate
-many compromised men-smashers get
compromised that way after their man-ness has already been established with
their wife
- they are happy
they found a middle ground by wimping out that they can both concede to: he
does not get honor, but she get’s his trust: but it
is a week and shallow one without welling
The only way you will get in is f he stops
being a man and your relationship conceeds to wimpyness, and your bond is no proper, but is shallow, counterfitted, and defeted even
when you both conceed to this way and practice.
examples:
- a pastor: 'lacking
male hormones'
- a youth pastor:
His wife was there to lead; he was there to slump down into the pew.
- church leader,
with progressive leading wife. He onors her and goes
along with her, but it is not a feeling of being sealed and welded.
What do you think it does for you if he is
not a real man (answer: ‘lacking hormones’)? How well do you think he will
cling to you in right love if he compromises the mal-ish
way God intended and designed him to be?
This is a real problem when it comes to socks
on the fan blade, but...
We pray that a man will rise up to do his
job, but if a wife beats him down to it, you will create a monster:
- DivRem preacher:
'not kill ut crucify man'
The more subjected a wife is the more a
husband is welded to her in love.
> It does show an absolute rule
> It does show an extremely proper
attitude that Scripture demands
>> But what about 'without any fear of
amazement...'
Submission and Abuse
A wife is greater than a slave, but even
concerning slaves God says:
Eph_6:9 WEB You masters, do the same
things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is both their
Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him.
>> Quoted 3 times herein (esp. v 9)
Col_3:25 WEB
But he who does wrong will receive again for the wrong that he
has done, and there is no partiality.
How much more does this apply to a wife? The
husband is to be the master of the wife, and this is taught in many places
including 1 Pet_3:6 using “lord” [κυριον (kúrion)] which to us is
comparable to “Sir” or “Master.”
In 1Ti_3:4-5 (quoted above) a husband who qualifies
for leadership must be “ruling”
We can also mention many others including Deu_24:1 and Jer_3:14 where the word for “married” comes from
the word “ba‛al” or “master.” So becoming a woman’s husband
means becoming her “Master.” This does not however mean that he has a right to
abuse his wife (Eph_6:9; 1Pe_3:6-7), but a responsibility to protect her,
and give his life for her best interests and greatest benefit at all times (Eph_5:22-33).
God is always wrathful towards people who
oppress, and is specifically set against husbands who “deal treacherously” and
“violently” with their wives. In Malachi chapter two they found no repentance
even though they were crying at the altar because they had not made things
right after their horrible treatment of their wives.
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I was thinking about what I said about
“beating slaves” in the OT and how that was not the same in the New Covenant:
Pro_29:19 WEB A servant can't be
corrected by words. Though he understands, yet he will not respond.
And we might compare this with another verse:
Pro_26:3 WEB A whip for the horse, A
bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the back of fools!
But under the New Covenant there seems to be a
different attitude:
Eph_6:5-9 WEB Servants, be obedient to those who according to
the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your
heart, as to Christ; 6 not in the way of service only when eyes are
on you, as men-pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from
the heart; 7 with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not
to men; 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will
receive the same again from the Lord, whether he is bound or free. 9 You masters, do the same things to them, and give up
threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven,
and there is no partiality with him.
>> Quoted 3 times herein (esp. v 9)
--
1Pe_3:1-7 EMTV
Wives, likewise, subject yourselves to your own husbands… 2 when
they observe your chaste conduct with fear…
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham,
calling him lord, of whom you became children, when you do good and are not
afraid of any terror.
> Reverence husbands fearing God, not because
they fear the husband directly, but through fearing God they reverence their
husbands. Not independently, but in subjection.
--
This charge to “give up threatening” seems to
be based on the same principal as no longer fighting, because he says specifically,
“he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven…” Just as Jesus says:
Joh_18:36 WEB …"My kingdom is not
of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight,
that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews. But now my kingdom is not from
here."
The geographical change in the location of
God’s “kingdom” from the Holy Land to Heaven has something directly to do with
the change of the way we fight:
2Co_10:4 KJV (For the weapons of our
warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong
holds;)
I also said that this treatment of slaves was
similar for wives. But as I was thinking about it I also considered that that
statement could have been misunderstood.
I would not want anyone to think that abuse
has ever, or will ever, be condoned by the Bible. God is always wrathful
towards people who oppress, and is specifically set against husbands who “deal
treacherously” and “violently” with their wives. In Mal
2 they found no repentance even though they were crying at the altar because
they had not made things right after their horrible treatment of their wives.
Mal_2:13-17 KJ2000 And this have you
done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with
crying out, because he regards not the offering any more, or receives it with
good will at your hand. 14 Yet you say,
Why? Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth,
against whom you have dealt treacherously: yet is she your companion, and the
wife of your covenant. 15 And did not he
make them one? Yet had he the remnant of the spirit. And why
one? That he might seek a godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your
spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, says that he hates
putting away [i.e. divorce]: For one covers violence with his garment, says the
LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that you deal not
treacherously. 17 You have wearied the
LORD with your words. Yet you say, How have we wearied
him? When you say, Every one that does evil is good in
the sight of the LORD, and he delights in them; or, Where is the God of
judgment?
Having seen enough abuse in relationships, I
would say that my experience agrees with the Bible that no one who practices
abuse has any chance of going to Heaven unless they seriously repent.
I get deeply mad about abuse.
That having been said, strangely enough, it
looks like God not only makes a distinction between abuse and punishment with
children, but during the time of the Old Covenant, it looks like He did the
same thing for wives and servants. He indicates this in passing by comparing
His (just) punishment of the nations with a husband’s treatment of his wife:
Isa_19:16 KJV In that day shall Egypt
be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of
the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over
it.
The question here is not “if” husbands
disciplined (or even abused) their wives. But the question is “how is it that God
is comparing His actions to anything like this”? But still this is a theme
throughout Isaiah, especially toward Israel:
Isa_5:25; Isa_9:12; Isa_9:17-21; Isa_10:4; Isa_14:26-27;
Isa_23:11;
Isa_9:13, 17 WEB Yet the people have
not turned to him who struck them, neither have they sought Yahweh of
Hosts. 17 …For all this his anger is not
turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isa_14:26-27 KJV This is the purpose
that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched
out upon all the nations. 27 For the LORD
of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and
his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
Isa_23:11 WEB He has stretched out his
hand over the sea, he has shaken the kingdoms…
Some Summary
So what I gather from the Bible is that abuse
has always been eternally sinful, but there was a time (i.e. during the Old
Testament) that punishment extended beyond children. In the New Covenant, there
seems to be virtually no other punishment than children given for believers to
enforce. (A small exception would be Jesus driving out the money changers,
which is hard to apply today without the same temple).
--
He specifically reaffirms the punishment of
children for the new covenant by saying:
Heb_12:5-13 WEB and you have forgotten the exhortation
which reasons with you as with children, "My son, don't take lightly the
chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when you are reproved by him; 6 For
whom the Lord loves, he chastens, And scourges every son whom he receives." 7 It is for discipline that you endure.
God deals with you as with children, for what son is there whom his father
doesn't discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline,
whereof all have been made partakers, then are you illegitimate, and not children. 9 Furthermore, we had the fathers of our
flesh to chasten us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be in
subjection to the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they indeed, for a few
days, punished us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be
partakers of his holiness. 11 All chastening
seems for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yields
the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been exercised
thereby. 12 Therefore, lift up the hands that hang
down and the feeble knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, that
that which is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.
He shows that even among the christian community there was the
punishment of children when He says:
“ 6 …for
what son is there whom his father doesn't discipline?... 9 Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh
to chasten us, and we paid them respect.”
- They did not even know a son among them that
did not get punished, even so far as “chastening.”
--
For husbands and wives, this is unexpected
and sobering. Obviously there are a lot of things to be thankful about
the New Covenant, and this is probably one that you would not have thought of
before, unless it was brought to your attention. At the same time the Old
Covenant still speaks to “social justice” (Rom_1:32) and the best thing to learn might be a
sense of adjustment to our default assumptions about a woman’s role.
Under a covenant like ours “threatening” is
not an option for husbands as it was in the Old one. How then ought a woman to act under the New Covenant? Should
she be less reverent now that physical repercussions are prohibited, or should
there be all the more response of voluntarily reverence?
We said that this was comparable to the
change in “slave discipline,” and this is taught in many places including 1Pe_3:6 using “lord” [κυριον (kúrion)] which to us
is comparable to “Sir” or “master.” We also mentioned Deu_24:1 and Jer_3:14 the word for “married” comes from the
word “ba‛al” or “master”:
H1166 בּעל bâ‛al baw-al'
A primitive root; to be master; hence (as
denominative from H1167) to marry: - Beulah have dominion (over), be husband,
marry (-ried, X wife).
So the Biblical/ Hebrew concept of marriage
was “becoming master of” a wife, and God is not ignorant of this because He
uses some interesting plays on words with this when talking to Israel about His
marriage to them.
So the change in the treatment of slaves
would imply the same change in the treatment of wives, and it says that the
change should produce eagerness and “sincerity”:
Eph_6:5-9 WEB Servants, be obedient to
those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in
singleness of your heart, as to Christ; 6 not in the way of service
only when eyes are on you, as men-pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing
the will of God from the heart; 7 with good will doing service, as
to the Lord, and not to men;
>> Quoted 3 times herein (esp. v 9)
This is exactly what we already read about
wives in 1Peter 3 last night.
I’m sure that there are other important
things to get out of this, but this is a place to start.
I hope all of this clarifies some things.
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Abuse vs. punishment
Masters, give up thretening
So does this also mean that they should give
up punishing their children?
NO: even among the church he says,
What father 'among you' (including christian ones) does not punish
the son 'in whom he delights?'
but does punishment extend beyond children?
Yes --
Jesus made a whip a drove them out of the
temple
Jesus not only physically punished people
other than his children, He punished people He was not
even related to because it pertained to His realm of authority as God's son
"over His own house" so to speak.
But the scribes said, "who gave you this
authority?" this was forign to them even more so
since people were newly being made the children of God by faith in Jesus.
So we see that punishment certinly
extends beyond one's own children, and in this case, the only principal we can
know of is that it extended to others on the basis of it being under the realm
of His authority. He punished even His enemies.
But in most cases, we face our enemies outside
of our realm of authority, such as when they strike us on the cheeck. "Your bodies are not your own. You were baught at a price..." therefor we trust and wait for
God to avenge the abuse of His property under His authority, since He also owns
us all by right of creaion.
So we see that under the new
testament we are to continue punishing our children for their good, just
as it was emplemented in the Old Covenant. We also
see that punishment extends beyond our children to the realm of our authority,
because of Jesus in the temple.
Does this yet mean that we don't punish
servants or slaves, when it says, "A child is no different than a
slave."
Punishment is different than wrath: Wrath
means, "You are not my child," while punishment can even mean,
"You are the son in whom i delight." We are
to have wrath on no one because God says, "Vengence
is Mine."
We are only to punish those in our realm of
authority, which means no one on this earth, because Jesus says, "If my
kingdom were of this world my servants would fight." My realm of kingship
is in another place so I turn the other cheack while
in my pilgramage here.
And John the Baptist said, "Do violence
to no man," so again violence is for another
persons harm, but punishment is for their good.
Are we still alowed
to kill animals like David did? Yes, as Paul killed the snake, and we may even
eat them!
Biblical Beaver
Bible Verses for the Biblical
Family
Josiahs Scott
1/9/04; 10/21/07;
3/4/17 (recompiled)
Eph
5:22-33 EMTV Wives,
subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord, 23
because the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the
church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 But
just as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives be to their own
husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love
your own wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for
her, 26
in order that He might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of
water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a
glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she
should be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought
to love their own wives as their own bodies; he that loves his own wife loves
himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh,
but nourishes and cherishes it, just as also the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His
flesh and of His bones. 31 "For this
reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and
the two shall become one flesh." 32 This is a great
mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and to the church. 33 Nevertheless you also individually,
let each one love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she
respect her husband.
Eph
6:1-4 EMTV Children,
obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 "Honor your father and
mother," which is the first commandment with a promise: 3
"that it may be well with you, and you may live long on the
earth." 4 And fathers, do not provoke your
children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and admonition of the
Lord… 12 For we wrestle not against
flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers
of the darkness of this age, against spiritual forces
of evil in the heavenlies.
Col 3:16-21 WEB Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in
all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns, and
spiritual songs, singing with grace in your heart to the Lord. 17 Whatever you do, in word or in deed,
do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father, through
him. 18 Wives, be in subjection to your
husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love
your wives, and don't be bitter against them.
20 Children,
obey your parents in all things, for this pleases the Lord. 21 Fathers, don't provoke your children,
so that they won't be discouraged.
Pastor: 1Ti 3:4-5 EMTV one
ruling his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence; 5 (for
if one does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the
church of God?);
Deacons: 1Ti 3:11-12 EMTV Likewise
their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all
things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one
wife, ruling their children well, and their own houses.
Tit 2:4-5 EMTV so that they may urge the young women to be
lovers of their husbands, lovers of their children, 5
temperate, pure, homemakers, good, submitting to their own husbands,
lest the word of God be blasphemed.
1Pe 3:1-7 EMTV Wives, likewise, subject yourselves to
your own husbands, so that even if some are disobedient to the word, that by the conduct of their wives, without a word, they
shall be gained for Christ, 2 when
they observe your chaste conduct with fear.
3 Of
whom let it not be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, and wearing of
gold, or of putting on of fine
clothes, 4 rather let it be the
hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible attitude
of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious before God. 5 For
thus formerly, the holy women who hoped on God also adorned themselves,
subjecting themselves to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham,
calling him lord, of whom you became children, when you do good and are not
afraid of any terror. 7 Husbands, likewise, live together
according to knowledge as with a weaker vessel, with the wife, showing her
honor as also a fellow heir of the grace of life, in order that your prayers
may not be hindered.
Submission and Abuse
A wife is greater than a slave, but even
concerning a slave God says:
Eph 6:9 WEB You masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is
both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him.
How much more does this apply to a wife? The
husband is to be the master of the wife, and this is taught in many places
including 1 Pet 3:6 using “lord” [κυριον (kúrion)] which to us is comparable to “Sir” or “master.”
We also mentioned Deu 24:1 and Jer
3:14 the word for “married” comes from the word “ba‛al” or “master.” This does not however mean
that he has a right to abuse his wife (Eph 6:9; 1Pe 3:7), but a responsibility
to protect her, and give his life for her best interests and greatest benefit (Eph 5:22-33).
God is always wrathful towards people who
oppress, and is specifically set against husbands who “deal treacherously” and
“violently” with their wives. In Mal 2 they found no
repentance even though they were crying at the altar because they had not made
things right after their horrible treatment of their wives.
Children
Exo 20:12 WEB "Honor your father and your
mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Lev 19:3 WEB "'Each one of you shall respect
his mother and his father.
Pro 15:5 MKJV A fool despises his father's
instruction, but he who listens to correction is wise.
Pro 23:22 WEB Listen to your father who gave you life, And don't despise your mother when she is old.
Pro 30:17 WEB The eye that mocks at his father, And
scorns obedience to his mother: The ravens of the valley shall pick it out, The
young eagles shall eat it.
Pro 1:8 WEB My son, listen to your father's
instruction, And don't forsake your mother's teaching:
Eventual addition:
I was thinking about what I said about
“beating slaves” in the OT and how that was not the same in the New Covenant:
Pro 29:19 WEB A servant can't be corrected
by words. Though he understands, yet he will not respond.
And we might compare this with another verse:
Pro 26:3 WEB A whip for the horse, A bridle
for the donkey, And a rod for the back of fools!
But under the New Covenant there seems to be
a different attitude:
Eph 6:5-9
WEB Servants, be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your
masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to
Christ; 6 not in the way of service only when eyes are on you, as
men-pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
7 with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men;
8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will receive the
same again from the Lord, whether he is bound or free. 9 You masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that he who is
both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with him.
This charge to “give up threatening” seems to be based on the same principal
as no longer fighting, because he says specifically, “he who is both their Master
and yours is in heaven…” Just as Jesus says:
Joh 18:36 WEB …"My kingdom is not of
this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight,
that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews. But now my kingdom is not from
here."
The geographical change in the location of
God’s “kingdom” from the Holy Land to Heaven has something directly to do with
the change of the way we fight:
2Co 10:4 KJV (For the weapons of our
warfare are not carnal, but
mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
I also said that this treatment of slaves was
similar for wives. But as I was thinking about it I also considered that that
statement could have been misunderstood.
I would not want anyone to think that abuse
has ever, or will ever, be condoned by the Bible. God is always wrathful
towards people who oppress, and is specifically set against husbands who “deal
treacherously” and “violently” with their wives. In Mal
2 they found no repentance even though they were crying at the altar because
they had not made things right after their horrible treatment of their wives.
Mal 2:13-17 KJ2000 And this have you done
again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying
out, because he regards not the offering any more, or receives it with good
will at your hand. 14 Yet you say, Why?
Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth,
against whom you have dealt treacherously: yet is she your companion, and the
wife of your covenant. 15 And did not he
make them one? Yet had he the remnant of the spirit. And why
one? That he might seek a godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your
spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, says that he hates
putting away [i.e. divorce]: For one covers violence with his garment, says the
LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that you deal not
treacherously. 17 You have wearied the
LORD with your words. Yet you say, How have we wearied
him? When you say, Every one that does evil is good in
the sight of the LORD, and he delights in them; or, Where is the God of
judgment?
Having seen enough abuse in relationships, I
would say that my experience agrees with the Bible that no one who practices
abuse has any chance of going to Heaven unless they seriously repent.
I get deeply mad about abuse.
That having been said, strangely enough, it
looks like God not only makes a distinction between abuse and punishment with
children, but during the time of the Old Covenant, it looks like He did the
same thing for wives and servants. He indicates this in passing by comparing
His (just) punishment of the nations with a husband’s treatment of his wife:
Isa 19:16 KJV In that day shall Egypt be
like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the
hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.
The question here is not “if” husbands
disciplined (or even abused) their wives. But the question is “how is it that
God is comparing His actions to anything like this”? But still this is a theme
throughout Isaiah, especially toward Israel:
Isa_5:25; Isa_9:12; Isa_9:17-21; Isa_10:4; Isa_14:26-27;
Isa_23:11;
Isa 9:13, 17 WEB Yet the people have not
turned to him who struck them, neither have they sought Yahweh of Hosts.
17 …For all this his anger is not turned away,
but his hand is stretched out still.
Isa 14:26-27 KJV This is the purpose that is purposed upon the
whole earth: and this is the hand
that is stretched out upon all the nations. 27
For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it
back?
Isa 23:11 WEB He has stretched out his hand
over the sea, he has shaken the kingdoms…
Some
Summary
So what I gather from the Bible is that abuse
has always been eternally sinful, but there was a time (i.e. during the Old
Testament) that punishment extended beyond children. In the New Covenant, there
seems to be virtually no other punishment than children given for believers to
enforce. (A small exception would be Jesus driving out the money changers,
which is hard to apply today without the same temple).
For husbands and wives, this is unexpected
and sobering. Obviously there are a lot of things to be thankful about
the New Covenant, and this is probably one that you would not have thought of
before, unless it was brought to your attention. At the same time the Old
Covenant still speaks to “social justice” (Rom 1:32) and the best thing to
learn might be a sense of adjustment to our default assumptions about a woman’s
role.
Under a covenant like ours “threatening” is
not an option for husbands as it was in the Old one. How then ought a woman to act under the New Covenant? Should
she be less reverent now that physical repercussions are prohibited, or should
there be all the more response of voluntarily reverence?
We said that this was comparable to the
change in “slave discipline,” and this is taught in many places including 1 Pet
3:6 using “lord” [κυριον (kúrion)] which to us is comparable to “Sir” or
“master.” We also mentioned Deu 24:1 and Jer 3:14 the word for “married” comes from the word “ba‛al” or “master”:
H1166 בּעל bâ‛al baw-al'
A primitive root; to be master;
hence (as denominative from H1167) to marry:
- Beulah have dominion (over), be husband, marry (-ried, X wife).
So the Biblical/ Hebrew concept of marriage
was “becoming master of” a wife, and God is not ignorant of this because He
uses some interesting plays on words with this when talking to Israel about His
marriage to them.
So the change in the treatment of slaves
would imply the same change in the treatment of wives, and it says that the
change should produce eagerness and sincerity:
Eph 6:5-9 WEB Servants,
be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and
trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to Christ; 6 not in the
way of service only when eyes are on you, as men-pleasers; but as servants of
Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7 with good will
doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men;
This is exactly what we already read about
wives in 1Peter 3 last night.
I’m sure that there are other important
things to get out of this, but this is a place to start.
I hope all of this clarifies some things.