The Bible is True
The Reliability of the Bible
Josiahs Scott,
Josiahs@trueconnection.org,
www.TrueConnection.org
5/20/09; 9/9/09; 9/10/09; 1/18/10; 1/30/10; 5/1-5/2/11; 5/7/11; 8/29/11; 9/2/11; 10/20/12; 2/6/17 (Apocrypha Defense recompiled); 2/8/17; 2/20/17; 2/2/19
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· Common Objections to the Bible
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Table of Contents
Common Objections to the Bible
Churchianity Does not Disprove
the Bible6
Why
Reading Writing Important and Potentially Saving?. 7
Critical Passages – at a Glance. 7
Lazarus
is not the author of John9
Some Extra-Biblical
Books Are Biblical13
The Greek Nuance does not
disprove a Hebrew original15
Torchered for Resurrection Hope. 16
Absurd but Common Protestant Lies. 18
‘a son is like a slave’ in
Gal_4:1 and Sir_3:719
Out of Egypt I have Called my Son. 20
Intertestimal Period Predicted. 23
Canonization:
Closed Cannon?28
Rev_11 Proves an Open Cannon. 29
Christian
disunity versus biblical unity promises30
Take no thought for the morrow…... 32
Paradox / Notice Scientific
Details34
Learning Letteral Obedience from
the Centurion Story34
Your
Failure to Be Specific is No Excuse to Pretend that the Bible is Contradictory. 36
The New
Testament Was Not Originally Written in Aramaic36
Apparent
Contradictions That Are Not Real!37
Life Examples of invalid “Contradictions”. 37
Common Objections to the Bible
scriptureconfidentliving
https://www.scriptureconfidentliving.com/blog/answeringobjectionstothebible
Someone Just Made Up the Bible a Long Time Ago
The Bible Contradicts Itself
The Bible is Scientifically Inaccurate
Objections Book
Why does a loving God let bad things happen?
Would God really send someone to hell?
And why is Christianity right and other religions in error?
Christianitytoday
https://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestudies/articles/evangelism/tcw-2000-002-7.62.html
Christians are hypocrites.
What about the atrocities Christians have committed?
Christianity is a crutch.
It's narrow-minded to think Jesus is the only way to God.
thegospelcoalition
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/confronting-christianity/
“Christianity doesn’t crush diversity, hinder morality, cause violence, undercut science, or denigrate women.”
how is it just or loving for God to send unbelievers to hell?
“Suffering is not the wrecking ball that knocks Christianity down but rather the cornerstone on which, painfully, brick by brick, it has been built.”
The Devil’s Delusion
David Berlinski
- Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.
- Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close.
- Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.
- Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.
- Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.
- Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.
- Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.
- Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.
- Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.
Berlinski does not dismiss the achievements of western science. The great physical theories, he observes, are among the treasures of the human race. But they do nothing to answer the questions that religion asks, and they fail to offer a coherent description of the cosmos or the methods by which it might be investigated.
…
“anti-God fetish of modern science has driven many scientists into a mad nihilism that has crippled their scientific work as well”
George Gilder, author of Wealth and Poverty,
Telecosm, and other books, writing in National Review
“atheist mockery and cocksure science”
Harvey Mansfield, Professor of Government,
Harvard University
“David Berlinski deflates the intellectual pretensions of the scientific atheist crowd.”
Michael J. Behe, Professor of Biological
Sciences, Lehigh University, bestselling author of Darwin’s Black Box and The
Edge of Evolution
https://www.discovery.org/b/the-devils-delusion/
2/26/20
carm
https://carm.org/objections-and-answers
I am not a sinner
There is no such thing as sin
What is sin?
I am too big a sinner
What is salvation?
What do I do to get saved?
Is baptism necessary for salvation?
I am already good enough
I am doing the best I can and I'm sincere
I am skeptical about God
I tried Christianity once.
I knew some Christians once and they wronged me
I'll take my chances.
I am not that bad a person
I am too old or too young to be a Christian
I can't believe in a God who would send people to hell
I will worry about God in the next life
I don't want to give up what I like doing
Christianity is boring
I am an atheist. I don't believe in God
I am trying to be a Christian
I am already religious
I don't need God
I have things I need to do before I become a Christian
I prefer to remain open minded about God
I already believe in God
I'll choose God later
There are too many hypocrites in the church
Why are we here? Or, Why did God make us?
What about those who have never heard the Gospel?
Jesus is only one of many great men of history
Why is there evil and suffering in the world?
What makes Jesus so special?
Why did Jesus have to die in order for me to go to heaven?
What makes you think the Bible is the word of God?
The Bible was written to look like Jesus fulfilled prophecy
The Bible is full of contradictions.
How do I know which religion is right?
Religion is whatever you feel is right
All religions are different paths to the same place
What about dinosaurs and evolution?
Monergism
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/qa_steve_hays.html
1. Why Does the Bible Condone Genocide?
2. Does the Old Testament Endorse Slavery?
3. If God truly loves people why has he slaughtered so many of them throughout the history of the world?
4. No One Religion can Know the Fullness of Spiritual Truth, Therefore all Religions are Valid. It is Arrogant to Say Otherwise.
5. Christians Only Want Power Over Others - To Establish a Theocracy by Taking Over the State Mechanism
6. God is just a man made fairy tale. There is NO god period. There never was, and there never will be. If you take some time to do some critical thinking you will reach the same conclusion.
7. If God really cares about people and is all-powerful, why doesn't he create food for all the starving people in the world? Why doesn't he stop the earthquakes and tsunamis?
8. If God really cares for all people equally, how can he have a special "chosen" people?
9. If God created everything, why did he create AIDS, the ebola virus, etc.?
10. How can it be just to consign people to eternal torment in hell for sins committed in a relatively brief time on earth?
11. How can it be just to send people to hell when they have never had the opportunity to believe in Jesus?
12. If God truly wants people to believe in him, why does he not simply show himself to them like he did to Paul?
13. If the Christian faith is false or based on fabricated source documents, how would you be able to detect the error given your belief that the bible is the only admissible, authoritative evidence?
14. Why do Christians refuse to accept the scientific evidence for an old earth, evolution, etc., when they have no problem enjoying thousands of modern conveniences which are the result of this same science?
15. Why do Christians refuse to accept the historical and archaeological evidence that much of the bible was plagiarized from ancient near eastern sources?
16. If the bible has all the answers, why are there literally hundreds of Christian denominations that all think they alone are right and all the other Christians are wrong?
17. Why are Christians always the first to support the rights of greedy corporations, unrestricted gun ownership, invasion of foreign countries, the death penalty, etc., but the first to oppose helping the needy through welfare, foodstamps, and so on? Doesn't the bible teach mercy, the "Golden Rule," peace and non-violence?
18 .If God loves men and women both equally, why does the largest Christian Church (and many other denominations) refuse to allow any women, however gifted, to have any place of authority in the church?
19. If God loves all people, why does he condemn gays just because they were born with a different sexual orientation than heterosexuals?
20 . If Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the whole world, then how can God send people to hell to pay for their sins again? Was Jesus' payment not good enough for him?
21. How can you trust God's plan to bring you to a perfect heaven when he has a track record of failures? He created angels in a perfect place, but they rejected him and are now doomed to suffer forever; he put Adam and Eve in a perfect place and they lost it; he had to destroy the whole world in Noah's day; he had to confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel; he started the Church, and it ended up with Crusades, bigotry, division, etc. If he has failed to accomplish his plan of giving people a perfect place to live so many times, what makes you think he will actually get it right this time?
22. If Christians are really supposed to love others, how can they be happy for all eternity knowing that the majority of humans, and even some of their own friends and family, are in conscious, endless torment?
22. If Christianity is the only true religion, how come so many other religions are just as successful at making people good, ethical, and moral, and making them feel fulfilled and happy?
Churchianity Does not Disprove the Bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
Why does every intelligent Christian disobey Jesus?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slAgzJmdU
Darwin
“"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble to us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic"”
https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/famous-scientists/all-great-scientific-thinkers-atheist.htm
2/26/20
Why Reading Writing Important and Potentially Saving?
4/10/17
Josh Studying Torah
Daniel studying Jer
>>Scrip:
Luk_16: they have Moses and the Prophets
Watch your doctrine -- save
Study to show self approved
Read the Bible
2-25-03; 4-3-04; 3/4/17 (recompiled); 7/21/19
Critical Passages – at a Glance
Read & Meditate:
Deu_17:18-20; Deu_6:6-9; Deu_11:18; Jos_1:8; Psa_1:2; Psa_119:10-11; Psa_119:97-100; Joh_8:31; 2Ti_2:15; 2Ti_3:14-17 (& 2Ti_4:1-5)
Read, meditate, study, community / public
reading, get discipled in reading (2Ti_3:14 to 2Ti_4:5)!
Daily Dependence
Nearly everyone is familiar with “The Lords Prayer.” One of the requests is, “Give us this day our daily bread.” (Mat 6:11)
Many equate this to only mean physical food, and miss the profound underlying meaning. It also says in Dut 8:3 “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” (Mt. 4:4)
-Jesus was even
quoting scripture when He said it!…
Law do I meditate day and night
Josh 1:8 "This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. (NKJ)
Read it every Day
Deu 17:18-20 WEB-Based It shall be, when he sits on the throne of
his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book, out of that which is
before the priests the Levites: 19 and it shall be with him, and he shall read it all the days of
his life; that he may learn to fear Yahweh his God, to keep all the words
of this law and these statutes, to do them;
20 that his heart not be lifted up above his brothers, and that he not turn
aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong
his days in his kingdom, he and his children, in the midst of Israel.
John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Other Scriptures:
2Tim 3:15-17 –God given & profitable
2 Tim 2:15 -Study to show self approved
Ps. 119:10-11 Word in heart so no sin
Ps. 105:2, & 97 –Think about it all day & lamp unto feet
Heb 4:12 –Living active, judges Heart
1Pet 1:23 –Salvation
Rom 10:17 –Faith comes by hearing
15:4 –Written for our learning & hope
-When I feel
the worst I read Bible…
Eph 6:17 -Sward of Spirit
Jas 1:21-25 –Don’t only listen 2 word… Lk 11:28
Prov. 30:5 –Every word pure… Jn 17:17 –Truth Jn 8:31 –Continue in Word
Lazarus is not the author of John
-- Under Construction --
Cannon of Scripture
other dates (See:
FAQs); 3/14/17 (more recompilations & revisions)
What is your view of Scripture?
It goes without saying that we believe all the Bible all the way down to every single smallest detail, just like Jesus commanded (Mat_5:17-20).
Believing all the Bible Means…
· Believing the original Hebrew Old Testament -- As commanded from Moses to Jesus, and through the Apostles.
· Believing all the books of the original Greek Old Testament (LXX) -- As commanded by Jesus and His Apostles.
· Believing the Greek New Testament -- As commanded from Moses to Jesus, and through the Apostles.
· Believing everything else that the Bible points to and affirms to be true.
· Rejecting almost all English versions (especially the more periphrastic they are) which do not obey Jesus’ commanded reverence for every detail of the original languages (again, Mat_5:17-20).
· Obediently listening for prophecies today, and looking forward to the hope of more Scriptures yet to be written as the end of the age is brought to a close (Rev_11).
Keep in mind that all of these complicated details were not designed for you as an individual to understand on your own.
The canon of Scripture is no simple ordeal. It is not easy to understand, nor are you likely to even get the basic facts correct if you’re not helped.
If you ever choose to obey the Bible and get discipled, then you can ask us about our Bible study called, the Bible is True, where you can learn all of the shocking and profound details about the truth of the Canon of Scripture.
Scripture
is the totally inerrant, infallible, perfect and trustworthy Word of God, in
written form. I accept everything as Scripture which is authenticated by Jesus
Christ Himself, as well as the others He approved of and used to write
Scripture (including especially the Old and New Testaments). Anyone who is not
ignorant recognizes that the infrastructure of these resulting “books” has been
strategically built so that each book reaffirms 100% of every other book in
this collection to be the perfect and literal Words of God.
I was raised a “Good (Protestant) Baptist Boy,” and have found that God confirms this zeal for the perfection of ALL of the Scriptures far more than even this denomination does (see 2Tim 3:15). However, although I accept what is called “the Standard Protestant Cannon” of 66 books, at the same time, I do not like most Protestants, at all reject as Scripture those books referred to by many as “the Apocrypha,” which are otherwise more accurately called the “Deuterocanonical Books” since they are authenticated by the same principal as the other 66 books (see below).
It
is all too clear that every Scripture considers every other Bible verse to be
the very perfect Words of the One, True and Living God:
What is “Scripture”: Mat 5:17,
7:12, 11:13, 22:40; Luk 16:16, 24:44; Jn 1:45, 10:35; Act 13:15, ← 17:2-3
→ 24:14, 28:23; 1Pet 1:10-12;
Also:
Jn 15:25 with Ps 35:19; 69:4; 109:3; and 1 Cor 14:21 with Is 28:11
And
compare “God speaking” verses: Mark 12:26; Act 3:21, 7:6,
13:46; Heb 13:7
It is inspired by God: 2Tim
3:16; 2Pe 1:20-21
Old Testament
The Old
Testament is Authenticated by amazingly
Fulfilled Prophecy (This is merely a representative sample of countless
others):
Psa
22:5-24 [hundreds and hundreds of years before Rome and their (“cross and
nail”) crucifixion existed]; Isa 52:7; 52:13 - 53:12; Dan 12:4
For
those who are sensitive to History, it is a striking reality that throughout
the Book of Daniel the History of major World Empires is laid out thousands of
years before these things existed, or had even begun to take place; (especially
see Chapters 7-12).
No other nation in all of history has ever
been scattered and re-gathered even once in the way that Israel has been many
times. The Bible is the key instructor that prophesies this over and over, and
the fulfillments of these specific prophecies can be clearly seen even as late
as 1948 when Israel was re-gathered (again) during our age, just as was spoken
by Isaiah 11:9-12. This is only one example of the many many times that the
Bible predicts this unique principal that showed itself
in 1948. Others include: Jer 23:3-7; Ezk 37:11-22, 25; (38:8); Luke 21:23-24
This is most profoundly understood with an
awareness of History and how specifically this speaks of our time period when
“the nations” (that is, the non-Jewish people or “Gentiles”) would believe in
the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The idea that the (pagan) nations would
embrace Israel’s God was an absurd idea and vain hope, had it not been done by
the supernatural hand of God. But both
this as well as the re-gathering of Israel happened just as God said in the
Bible.
The Old Testament is also amazingly
accurate in scientific terms far beyond the humanly observable facts of their
day:
Job
26:7; Isa 34:4; 51:6; Psa 102:25-27
Also consider the Mosaic Health Benefits
that the Law of Moses enforces (Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy) contrary to
the Egyptian misconceptions of health that all Israel was surrounded with
before their exodus out of Egypt.
The “Apocrypha”/ Deuterocanonical
Books
What
Protestants incorrectly (but commonly) call the “Apocrypha,” (or more
correctly, the “Deuterocanonical Books”) are the removed, “extra,” books that
were originally part of the standard Greek Old
Testament, used by Christians and Jews alike, which are now
no longer included by the Jews or the Protestants. Among the many writings of
“the Ante-Nicene Fathers” of the early Church, there are “over 300 quotations
from and references to the deuterocanonical books,” (A Dictionary
of Early Christian Beliefs, p. 207, “Deuterocanonical
books”), not to mention that they are commonly used and referenced by the New
Testament itself as well.
These Deuterocanonical books were removed
by the Jews around 90 AD in their anti-christian reforms of Judaism, which not
only included the official excommunication of all Christians from Judaism and
their synagogues, but also ruled out any and every book that they did not have
a Hebrew original for (that is, the “Apocrypha”), some of which they had lost
in one way or the other (until a number of fragments were rediscovered with the
findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls).
These reforms also changed the rules to say
that no works after Ezra and Nehemiah were Scripture, so that they retroactively
“shut the door” and made for themselves a “closed cannon,” from anything that
looked particularly “Christian.” This was not only because they wished to
entirely cut off the plausibility of the Divinity of the New Testament writings
altogether, but it was also done to exclude as many of the Old Testament
(Deuterocanonical) books as they could, since they seemed to speak directly of
Jesus Christ (example: the book of Wisdom chapter two) and were used by the
Christians as such.
In reference
to the general changes that the Jews made to the Old Testament, Justin Martyr
says:
“And I wish you to observe, that they have
altogether taken away many Scriptures from the translations effected by those
seventy elders [that is, the unique passages included in the original Greek Old
Testament (LXX)
but not in the Hebrew] who were with Ptolemy [King of Egypt], and by which this
very man who was crucified is proved to have been set forth expressly as God,
and man… but I proceed to carry on my discussions by
means of those passages which are still admitted by you.”
(Chapter
LXXI)
“for it is only a short time since they were cut out…”
(Chapter
LXXII)
“…said
I, ‘it does seem incredible. For it is more
horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth;
or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the
prophets.’”
(Chapter
LXXIII)
(Justin
Martyr, “Dialogue of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew”;
1.07.10 in e-Sword)
In reference
to the rejection of the Book of Enoch specifically, and the Deuterocanonical
books in general, Tertullian says:
“But since Enoch in the same Scripture has
preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us which
pertains to us; and we read
that “every Scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired. (2Ti_3:16) By the Jews
it may now seem to have been rejected for that (very) reason, just
like all the other (portions) nearly which tell of Christ. Nor, of course,
is this fact wonderful, that they did not receive some Scriptures which
spake of Him whom even in person, speaking in their presence, they were not
to receive. To these considerations is added the fact that Enoch possesses a
testimony in the Apostle Jude.”
(Tertullian,
Part Fourth, end of Chapter III; 4.01.02 in e-Sword)
In reference
to the specific example of removing the Deuterocanonical account called “the History of Susana,” Origen says:
“But probably to this you will say, Why
then is the “History” not in their Daniel… [that is, “the History of
Susana,” usually included at the end of Daniel] …The answer is, that they
hid from the knowledge of the people as many of the passages which
contained any scandal against the elders, rulers, and judges, as they could,
some of which have been preserved in uncanonical writings (Apocrypha).”
“Wherefore I think no other supposition is possible, than that they
who had the reputation of wisdom, and the rulers and elders, took away from
the people every passage which might bring them into discredit among the
people. We need not wonder, then, if this history of the evil device of
the licentious elders against Susanna is true, but was concealed and
removed from the Scriptures by men themselves not very far removed from the
counsel of these elders.”
(Origen,
“A Letter from Origen to Africanus,” Number 9; 4.01.02 in e-Sword)
Note: Please keep in
mind that I do not quote these early writers as spiritual authorities, but only
as historical references.
All
of this change and omission took place during what people usually call, “The
Council of Jamnia,” or “Council of Yavne.”
These
anti-christian rulings against the Deuterocanonical Books (and a number of
others like them) did not integrate into the christian church however, until
long after the Protestant Reformation, the very beginnings of which started
when Luther himself not only tried to remove these same books from the Old
Testament, but also tried to remove James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation from
the New Testament.
As a small
point of clarification: Due to many details in my long-standing research
on these books, I am not sure yet that the “Additions to Ester” and “Bel and
The Dragon” are legitimate originals in the Greek Septuagint,
however, I do accept the “History of Susana” as being original.
These
removed “extra” books, can be found in many locations, including the original
1611 KJV, and many other ancient and or non-standard versions.
They are
available on the web at:
www.riseisrael.com/apocrypha.htm
New Testament
The New
Testament is authenticated - The very simple principal
to acknowledge here is that if the Old Testament is true, it is unavoidable
then that the New Testament is also true, since this is the very thing that the
Old Testament sets out to point us to. If the Old Testament is true, it has the
credentials and authority that one simply cannot rationally ignore as it makes
claims of Divine preparation and authentication for the imminent comings of the
Messiah (Jesus’ first advent on earth) and the New Covenant that He would bring
with Him:
Jer_31:31-34 – New Covenant
Jesus: Due_18:17-19; Act_3:22-24; Act_4:31; Joh_1:45; Mat_5:17;
The 12 Apostles: Mat_10:1-4/Mar_3:14-19/Luk_6:12; Mat_19:28; Act_1:1-3, Act_1:21-26; Joh_15:16; Mat_19:27-28/Luk_2:30; Luk_11:49; Joh_14:26; (Mat_28:20); 1Co_14:37; Eph_2:20, 3:5; 1Th_2:13; 2Pe_1:16-21, 2Pe_3:2;
Paul: Act_9:1-19/ Act_22:3-16/ Act_26:9-18 (Especially: Act_26:18 - Open Eyes of the nations; Act_9:15 - Chosen vessel for the nations; and also: Act_22:15)Act_15:22-26; 2Pe_3:15-16; 1Co_9:1-2; 1Co_15:3-11; 2Co_11:5; 1Co_12:11; Gal_2:7-9, 11; 1Th_2:13; 2Ti_1:11;
Inerrancy and Perfection of Scripture: Psa_12:6; Pro_30:5-6; Rom_3:4; 2Ti_3:15-17; 2Pe_1:21
It
is also a very simple matter to see, that if Jesus made claims to fulfill all
of the Old Testament claims about Messiah (Christ) then it goes to naturally
figure that the Old Testament likewise cannot be untrue if Jesus was true,
since He based His entire identity and His statements about coming into the world
on the basic understanding of the Old Testament Scriptures being the very Words
of God (Joh 5:38-40; 10:35-38). So we cannot actually embrace one without
proving the other.
For those who are uninformed, it is vital
to understand the massive implications of what is referenced above: The Old
Testament is obviously Scripture because of amazing prophecies that even tell
of these days. Since The Old Testament specifies “Jesus” as Christ and God in
the flesh, this seals His Words as the very Words of God through His own mouth.
Jesus authenticates the Old Testament by receiving it’s testimony, and proceeds
to ordain “The 12 Apostles” and “Paul” (including Hebrews) as writers of
Scripture under the New Covenant, and they intern authenticate James and Jude (the
half brothers of Jesus) as well as Mark and Luke.
Also See: Summary of
Very Basic Beliefs;
[Also see Apostles]; [Back to Contents]
Pre-canonization
1/7/04 (Word:
Created/Modified; original title: Precannonisation);
3/6/17 (recompiled)
Some Extra-Biblical Books Are Biblical
6/23/17-6/24/17
Num 21:14
WEB Therefore it is said in the book of
the Wars of Yahweh, "Vaheb in Suphah, the valleys of the Arnon,
Num 21:14
Therefore it is said in a book, “A war of the Lord has set on fire Zoob, and
the brooks of Arnon.
Num 21:14 διὰ τοῦτο
λέγεται ἐν
βιβλίῳ Πόλεμος
τοῦ κυρίου τὴν
Ζωοβ ἐφλόγισεν
καὶ τοὺς χειμάρρους
Αρνων,
Num 21:15
WEB the slope of the valleys that
incline toward the dwelling of Ar, leans on the border of Moab."
Num 21:15 And
He has appointed brooks to reach Ar to dwell there; and it lies near to the
coasts of Moab.”
Num 21:15 καὶ τοὺς
χειμάρρους
κατέστησεν
κατοικίσαι Ηρ
καὶ πρόσκειται
τοῖς ὁρίοις
Μωαβ.
Num 21:27
WEB Therefore those who speak in
proverbs say, "Come to Heshbon. Let the city of Sihon be built and
established;
Num 21:27
Therefore those who speak in parables say, “Come to Heshbon, that the city of
Sihon may be built and prepared.
Num 21:27 διὰ τοῦτο
ἐροῦσιν οἱ αἰνιγματισταί
Ἔλθετε εἰς
Εσεβων, ἵνα οἰκοδομηθῇ
καὶ
κατασκευασθῇ
πόλις Σηων.
Num 21:28
WEB for a fire has gone out of Heshbon,
a flame from the city of Sihon. It has devoured Ar of Moab, The lords of the
high places of the Arnon.
Num 21:28 For
a fire has gone forth from Heshbon, a flame from the city of Sihon, and has
consumed as far as Moab, and devoured the pillars of Arnon.
Num 21:28 ὅτι πῦρ ἐξῆλθεν
ἐξ Εσεβων, φλὸξ ἐκ
πόλεως Σηων καὶ
κατέφαγεν ἕως
Μωαβ καὶ κατέπιεν
στήλας Αρνων.
Num 21:29 WEB Woe to you, Moab! You are
undone, people of Chemosh! He has given his sons as fugitives, and his
daughters into captivity, to Sihon king of the Amorites.
Num 21:29 Woe to you, Moab! You are lost, O people of Chemosh! Their sons are
sold for preservation, and their daughters are captives to Sihon king of the
Amorites.
Num 21:29 οὐαί
σοι, Μωαβ· ἀπώλου,
λαὸς Χαμως. ἀπεδόθησαν
οἱ υἱοὶ αὐτῶν
διασῴζεσθαι
καὶ αἱ θυγατέρες
αὐτῶν αἰχμάλωτοι
τῷ βασιλεῖ τῶν
Αμορραίων
Σηων·
Num 21:30
WEB We have shot at them. Heshbon has
perished even to Dibon. We have laid waste even to Nophah, Which reaches to
Medeba."
Num 21:30 And
their descendants shall perish from Heshbon to Dibon; and their women have
kindled a fire against Moab.”
Num 21:30 καὶ τὸ
σπέρμα αὐτῶν ἀπολεῖται,
Εσεβων ἕως
Δαιβων, καὶ αἱ
γυναῖκες ἔτι
προσεξέκαυσαν
πῦρ ἐπὶ Μωαβ.
Apocrypha Defense
Unofficially: ~ 2004 onward.
Compiled over various times and seasons, including, 8/10/2010
(created? Or copied from external HD?); 11/16/2011
Started really keeping track: 11/28/12 (Wis_4); 12/29/12; (many
other dates) 1/27/13; 1/28/13; 2/4/13; 2/11/13; 2/17/13; 5/16/13; 5/26/13;
6/3/13-6/4/13; 7/10/13; 7/18/13; 10/14/13; 11/16/13; 11/24/13; 12/6/13;
12/8/14; 11/16/15;
2/6/17 (recompiled); 2/19/17; 10/6/18; ~Jan2021…3/15/21
Also See: Apocrypha Is Deuterocanonical
We have many resources we are trying to compile to answer this question
400-Year
Gap?
Mat_11:13 – Law & Prophets until John
7-9 Deuterocanonical Books
[x] [1-2 Esdras]
Tobit
Judith
1-2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
[?] Baruch & The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch 6)
[x] [The Prayer of Azariah & Song of the 3
Children (Dan_3:24-90)]
Susanna (Dan_13)
[x] [Bel and the Dragon (Dan_14)
[current version not acceepted]]
Eastern (Pseudo) Orthodox Church:
Prayer of Manasseh
1 Esdras
3 Maccabees
Psalm 151
“In addition, the Book of Susanna does not claim to be the Word of God. It was not mentioned by other books of the Bible, and was not mentioned by Jesus or His apostles.”
https://www.compellingtruth.org/book-of-Susanna.html
3/5/19
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God inspired “Daniel”
It might be partly referenced in the Gospel
Sir 35:1-2 -- at least Syriac version
1 If you are chosen to preside at dinner, do
not be puffed up, and take
no prominent
place among the rich,6 [6 [ Sir_31:1] Syr
adds]
but with the guests be as one of themselves;
take care of them first before you sit down;
2 when you have fulfilled your duty, then take your place, to share in their joy
and win praise for your hospitality.
Sir
35:1 If thou be made the master of a feast, lift
not thyself up, but be among them as one of the rest; take diligent care for
them, and so sit down.
Sir 35:1 Ὁ συντηρῶν
νόμον πλεονάζει
προσφοράς,
θυσιάζων
σωτηρίου ὁ
προσέχων ἐντολαῖς.
Sir 35:2 And when thou hast done all thy office, take
thy place, that thou mayest be merry with them, and receive a crown for thy
well ordering of the feast.
Sir 35:2 ἀνταποδιδοὺς χάριν
προσφέρων σεμίδαλιν,
καὶ ὁ ποιῶν ἐλεημοσύνην
θυσιάζων αἰνέσεως.
Sir_12:1 If you do good, know for whom you are doing it,
and your kindness will have its effect.
2 Do good to the righteous man and reward will be yours, if not from him, from Yahweh.6 [6 [Sir12:2] most LXX “from the Most High” / LXX(O), Lat “from the Lord” / Syr “from his Lord”]
>> Jesus agrees with particular rewards for the people you give to
The Greek Nuance does not disprove a Hebrew original
Sometimes people say that history of Susana is not authentic because the Greek copies seem to play on Greek words.
This argument essentially does not prove anything because the Scriptures we know are written in Hebrew still sometime work out to play on words in Greek:
Pro_27:6 WEB Faithful are the wounds of a friend; although the kisses of an enemy are profuse.
Pro_27:6 LB More faithful [ἀξιοπιστότερά] are the wounds [τραύματα] of a friend [φίλου] than [ἢ] the spontaneous [ἑκούσια] kisses [φιλήματα] of an enemy.
Pro_27:6 ἀξιοπιστότερά
ἐστιν τραύματα
φίλου ἢ ἑκούσια
φιλήματα ἐχθροῦ.
In Proverbs “friend” [φίλου] and “kisses” [φιλήματα] turns into an interesting play on words when translated into Greek (Pro_27:6 LXX, as seen in LB).
The Hebrew does not have this special Nuance that the Greek has.
This does not mean that Proverbs was originally written in Greek, silly!
Nor do Greek plays on words in Susana prove that Susana was originally written in Greek.
Both Proverbs and Susana have plays on words in Greek, and if we know Proverbs was written in Hebrew, we have not proven that Susana was not originally in Hebrew just because it takes on new aspects when translated into Greek.
Maybe this is one of those examples where God was just that smart, and He intended for it to eventually be translated in Greek. -- sometimes the New Testament remarks off of and plays off of this dynamic.
And BTW, this goes back to the theme of Jesus believing that the original Hebrew and the original Greek are both inspired.
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Appx Smaller Aditions:
Psa_151
Dan 13 & 14
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Epistle of Jer
73A EoJ
-- Epistle of Jer
74A PoA
-- Prayer of Azariah
75A Dan_13:
76A Dan_14:
84A Psa_151:
85A PoS_
86A Ode_
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The strongest parallel is Matthew 11:28-30 (see Sirach
6:24-25; 51:26-27)
The earliest patristic evdience for Sirach
occurs in Didache 4:5 and Barnabas 19:9, which appear to cite Sirach 4:31
2Ma_7:1
Torchered for
Resurrection Hope
Heb_11:35-36
2Ma_6:19, 2Ma_6:28
2Ma_6:19 - Tumpanon
1Ma_6:28
1Ma_6:30
2Ma_7:9
2Ma 7:11-12
>> 2Ma 7:12 - ἐκπλήσσεσθαι G1605
>> the young man's courage >> ψυχήν
2Ma_7:14
>> 2Ma_7:17 -- βασανιει
2Ma_7:15; 2Ma_7:20 – all of the leadings in Heb
2Ma_7:21 – λογισμὸν
ἄρσενι θυμῷ διεγείρασα
2Ma_7:20 – "Hope" <--> Heb_11:1
>> Ὑπεραγόντως
>> 2Ma_7:21 - πατρίῳ φωνῇ
2Ma_7:24 – counterfit
μακαριστὸν
2Ma_7:26 – πείσειν τὸν υἱόν
2Ma_7:27 – ἀγαγοῦσαν
2Ma_7:28 – γνῶναι ὅτι οὐκ ἐξ ὄντων ἐποίησεν αὐτὰ ὁ θεός > Heb_11:2
>> 2Ma_7:29
-- δήμιον -
this one publically
bound to the people
2Ma_7:34 – ἀδήλοις ἐλπίσιν
>> ἀνόσιε adj masc voc sg id ἀνόσιος, -ος, -ον unholy,
profane (ofthings); evil; godless ἀνοσίου adj masc gen
sg ...
2Ma_7:36 – resurrection
Cambridge - Hebrews 11:36:
36. ἐμπαιγμῶν καὶ μαστίγων. “Seven brethren and their mother … being tormented with scourges and whips … and they brought the second for a mocking-stock … And after him was the third made a mocking-stock … And … they tortured and tormented the fourth in like manner” (2Ma_7:1; 2Ma_7:7; 2Ma_7:10; 2Ma_7:13, &c.). “And they sought out … Judas’ friends … and he took vengeance on them and mocked them” (1Ma_9:26).
δεσμῶν καὶ φυλακῆς. Joseph (Gen_39:20), Micaiah (1Ki_22:26-27), Jeremiah (Jer_20:2; Jer_37:15), Hanani (2Ch_16:10).
Just when you were not sure if you were sure, now is the time to be sure (a standing under...).
With a few indications of Scripture in Daniel (and other places), they lead this truth and hope on into logos that emboldened their souls unto death!
"2Ma 7; where it is recorded how, under the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes, seven sons of one mother were tortured and lint to death; how one of them, in the midst of his tortures, having deliverance and advancement offered him if he would forsake the Law of his fathers, courageously refused the offer; and how both they and their mother, who encouraged them to persevere, reiterated their hope of a resurrection from the dead."
(Pulpit on Heb_11:35)
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Don't Accuse God For Temptation
i.e. impulse/solicitation
unto evil/sin
Jas_1:13
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Sir_15:11
'Appocrypha' and NT Maintain a
Consistent Doctrinal Testimony Against protestantism
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Apocrypha: Alms Save from death/produce
mercy/forgiveness/love from God
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Act_10:? - Cornilious' Alms
were remembered, and he got salvation preaching !!!
Absurd but Common Protestant Lies
"He diligently researched other Hebrew and Greek writings
and found no pattern. This included the apocryphal books added in the Catholic
and early Protestant Bibles, including the original King James Version before
its many revisions."
http://www.biblesupport.com/e-sword-downloads/file/9371-panin-ivan-the-numeric-new-testament/
8/20/13
Unrighteous Money
Sir 5:8 Brenton Set not thine heart upon goods unjustly gotten [χρήμασιν ἀδίκοις – unrigheous goods/usefult things (NETS: ill-gotten money)], for they shall not profit thee in the day of calamity.
Sir 5:8 Greek Μὴ ἔπεχε ἐπὶ χρήμασιν ἀδίκοις· οὐδὲν γὰρ ὠφελήσει σε ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ἐπαγωγῆς.
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Luk 16:9 CAB And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by the mammon of unrighteousness [τοῦ μαμωνᾶ τῆς ἀδικίας], so that whenever you fail, they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.
Luk 16:9 Greek κἀγὼ ὑμῖν λέγω· ποιήσατε ἑαυτοῖς φίλους ἐκ τοῦ μαμωνᾶ τῆς ἀδικίας, ἵνα, ὅταν ἐκλίπητε, δέξωνται ὑμᾶς εἰς τὰς αἰωνίους σκηνάς.
Luk 16:11 CAB Therefore if you were not faithful with the unrighteous mammon [τῷ ἀδίκῳ μαμωνᾷ], who will entrust to you what is genuine?
Luk 16:11 Greek εἰ οὖν ἐν τῷ ἀδίκῳ μαμωνᾷ πιστοὶ οὐκ ἐγένεσθε, τὸ ἀληθινὸν τίς ὑμῖν πιστεύσει;
Jesus uses similar
terminology, which is reapplied. Sirach tals about
sinning to get money, Jesus reapplies this to speak of the inherant evil of
earthly money.
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Sir 4:10 Brenton Be as a father unto the fatherless, and
instead of an husband unto their mother: so shalt thou be as the [a]
son of the most High, and he shall love thee more than thy mother doth.
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Sir 4:14-15 Brenton They that serve her shall minister to the
[a] Holy One: and them that love her the Lord doth love. 15 Whoso giveth ear unto her shall judge the nations: and he that
attendeth unto her shall dwell securely.
Sir 6:6 Brenton Be in peace with many: nevertheless have but one counsellor of a thousand.
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Rom 12:16-21 CAB Be
of the same mind toward one another. Not minding the high things, but
associating with the humble. Do not become wise in your own opinion. 17
Repay no one evil for evil; providing that which is good before
all men. 18 If possible, as much as
depends on you, keeping peace with all men. 19
Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but give place to wrath; for
it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20
Therefore "If your enemy should hunger, feed him; if he
should thirst, give him drink; for by doing this you will heap coals of fire
upon his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but
overcome evil with good.
>> see: BBS: Community/ 'get love-truth & abstaining from fleshly arguments'
Sir 3:18 Brenton The greater thou art, the more humble thyself, and thou shalt find favour before the Lord.
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Pro/Jas: God opposes proud and favor to humble
‘a son is like a slave’ in Gal_4:1 and
Sir_3:7
Sir 3:7 Brenton He that feareth the Lord will honour his father, and will do service unto his parents, as to his masters [ὡς δεσπόταις δουλεύσει].
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Gal 4:1 CAB
Now I say, for as much time as the heir is a minor, he does not differ
at all from a slave [δούλου],
though he is master [κύριος
– lord] of all,
SOM Themes in Sirach
5/26/13
Sir 2:12-18 Brenton Woe be to fearful hearts, and faint hands, and the sinner that goeth two ways! 13 Woe unto him that is fainthearted! for he believeth not; therefore shall he not be defended. 14 Woe unto you that have lost patience! and what will ye do when the Lord shall visit you? 15 They that fear the Lord will not disobey his Word [i.e. whoever hears these words of mine and does them]; and they that love him will keep his ways [i.e. do the will of the Father]. 16 They that fear the Lord will seek [ζητήσουσιν] that which is well, pleasing unto him [see and you will find]; and they that love him shall be filled with the law [i.e. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill…whoever breaks the least…you workers of lawlessness]. 17 They that fear the Lord will prepare their hearts, and humble [ταπεινώσουσιν – blessed are οἱ πραεῖς (Mat 5:5)] their souls in his sight, 18 Saying, We will fall into the hands of the Lord, and not into the hands of men: for as his majesty is, so is his mercy [ἔλεος; Mat 5:7 μακαριοι οι ελεημονες; also, Luk 6:36].
Common Objections
Quotations in the New Testament
some say it is not quoted in the New Testament, but then
when you prove them wrong, others step forward and say that it is the same as
cases where the New Testament quotes pagan literature.
Bel and the Dragon
8/4/11
(1) Although only TH. has Daniel laughing in v.7, both versions have this in v. 19, [in e-Sword at: Dan_14:19].
(2) Also notice that the last story about the lion’s den in v. 28 [in e-Sword at: Dan_14:28], repeatedly contradicts the Biblical story (example: v. 32 [ES: Dan_14:32] as opposed to Dan_6:17-19) about the lion’s den, no matter what source text you use. If the book of Daniel is true as the Old and New Testaments say it is (see: Mat_24:30; Mat_26:64; Mar_13:26; Mar_14:62; Luk_21:27) then neither of the current versions of “Bel and the Dragon” can be true.
Out of Egypt I have Called my Son
see: bbs Notes
John 3 snake
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Wis 16:5-7 Brenton For when the horrible fierceness of beasts came upon these, and they perished with the stings of crooked serpents, thy wrath endured not for ever: 6 But they were troubled for a small season, that they might be admonished, having a sign of salvation, to put them in remembrance of the commandment of thy law. 7 For he that turned himself toward it was not saved by the thing that he saw, but by thee, that art the Saviour of all.
from the beginning
Wisdom Says, 'it was not so from the beginning' – it
is no wonder Jesus says this and declare dar to be
adultery....
Wis 14:12-13 Brenton For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life. 13 For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.
God Hates
Paul did not need to explain why God loves mankind and
yet hatted Issau, because this had already bee taught in the book of Wisdom
(Esp. Chs 11-14, etc.)
Blessed Wood
Long before the time when Jesus was crucified, the book of Wisdom said:
Wis 14:7 Br-Gr For blessed is the wood whereby righteousness
cometh.
Because the early church accepted the book of wisdom
as Scripture, they recognize this as a prophecy concerning the crucifixion of
Jesus on the wood of the cross.
Can you finally let some faith move in you, like it
did in the early church, and recognize there is something supernaturally been
foretold here?
Wis 13 & Rom_1
Wis 13:1-11 Brenton [p. 708 NETS] Surely vain are all men by nature, who are ignorant of God, and could not out of the good things that are seen know him that is: neither by considering the works did they acknowledge the workmaster; 2 But deemed either fire, or wind, or the swift air, or the circle of the stars, or the violent water, or the lights of heaven, to be the gods which govern the world. 3 With whose beauty if they being delighted took them to be gods; let them know how much better the Lord of them is: for the first author of beauty hath created them. 4 But if they were astonished at their power and virtue, let them understand by them, how much mightier he is that made them. 5 For by the greatness and beauty of the creatures proportionably the maker of them is seen. 6 But yet for this they are the less to be blamed: for they peradventure err, seeking God, and desirous to find him. 7 For being conversant in his works they search him diligently, and believe their sight: because the things are beautiful that are seen. 8 Howbeit neither are they to be pardoned. 9 For if they were able to know so much, that they could aim at the world; how did they not sooner find out the Lord thereof? 10 But miserable are they, and in dead things is their hope, who call them gods, which are the works of men's hands, gold and silver, to shew art in, and resemblances of beasts, or a stone good for nothing, the work of an ancient hand. 11 Now a carpenter that felleth timber, after he hath sawn down a tree meet for the purpose, and taken off all the bark skilfully round about, and hath wrought it handsomely, and made a vessel thereof fit for the service of man's life;
Wis 13:13-14 Br-Gr And taking the very refuse among those which served to no use, being a crooked piece of wood, and full of knots, hath carved it diligently, when he had nothing else to do, and formed it by the skill of his understanding, and fashioned it to the image of a man; [εἰκόνι ἀνθρώπου – same as Rom_1] 14 Or made it like some vile beast, laying it over with vermilion, and with paint colouring it red, and covering every spot therein;
Wis_12:12-15 - Rom_9
Wis 10:21 Brenton For wisdom opened the mouth of the dumb, and made the tongues of them that cannot speak eloquent.
Wis 9:1 Brenton O God of my fathers [Θεὲ πατέρων], and Lord of mercy, who hast made all things with thy word [ἐν λόγῳ σου], 2 And ordained man through thy wisdom, that he should have dominion over the creatures which thou hast made,
Wis 9:9 Brenton And wisdom was with thee: which knoweth thy works, and was present when thou madest the world, and knew what was acceptable in thy sight, and right in thy commandments.
[also Note!: wisdom = God's Word! same as Pro & NT: Jesus is the wisdom of God]
Joh 1:1-3 CAB In the beginning was the Word [ὁ Λόγος], and the Word [ὁ Λόγος] was with God, and the Word [ὁ Λόγος] was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came to be through Him, and without Him nothing came to be which has come to be.
Wis_4:3-6 Brenton But the multiplying brood of the ungodly shall not thrive, nor take deep rooting from bastard slips <<Heb: then you are illegitimate, and not sons>>, nor lay any fast foundation. 4 For though they flourish in branches for a time; yet standing not last, they shall be shaken with the wind, and through the force of winds they shall be rooted out. 5 The imperfect branches shall be broken off <<Rom_9, 11, etc./ etc.! – broken off branches… based on the idea that they were like Hagar/ inferior>>, their fruit unprofitable, not ripe to eat, yea, meet for nothing <<Mat_5 – without salt = good for nothing/ without fruit of obedience/ twice dead (2Pe_/Jude)/ Mat_7:? / rotten fruit>>. 6 For children begotten of unlawful beds are witnesses of wickedness against their parents in their trial.
"Dependance"
seems to be an illusion with:
Wis_7:26
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Heb_3:1
Exo_3:14
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Rev_1:4
Intertestimal Period Predicted
- Psa_74:9; Amo_8:11; Mic_5:3 (also v. 1-2);
Mar_10:19
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Sir_4:1
No Gap
Mat_11:13 KJV For all the prophets and the law prophesied
until John.
Doesn't this suggest that there was no gap between the
Old and New Testaments? It doesn't say, "they
spoke, and then stopped for 400 years"
Modern editions
All King James Bibles published before 1640 included
the Apocrypha. In 1826, the British and Foreign Bible Society decided to refuse
to distribute Bibles containing the Apocrypha. Since then most modern editions of
the Bible and re-printings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section.
Many modern reprintings of the Clementine Vulgate and Douay-Rheims version no
longer contain the Apocrypha section. Many of the more modern translations and
revisions do not contain an apocrypha section at all.
[140yrs later]...The American Bible Society lifted
restrictions on the publication of Bibles with the Apocrypha in 1964. The
British and Foreign Bible Society followed in 1966.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha]
Jesus Celebrated
Honica, instituted in the Book of Machabees
When Jesus said,
"it will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles..." this speaks directly
of the first AntiChrist even that can to a close with these typs of words:
1Ma_4:60 KJVA
At that time also
they builded up the mount Sion with high walls and strong towers round about,
lest the Gentiles should come and tread it down as they had done before.
Jam_1:19 shows dependence on Sir_5:11, Heb_1:3 on Wis_7:26, Heb_11:35 on 2Mac_6,
Rom_9:21 on Wis_15:7, 2Co_5:1, 4 on Wis_9:15, etc.
Sir_5:11
Sir_5:11 Be swift to hear; and let thy life be sincere; and
with patience give answer.
Sir_5:11 Γίνου ταχὺς ἐν ἀκροάσει
σου καὶ ἐν
μακροθυμίᾳ φθέγγου
ἀπόκρισιν.
Jam_1:19
...στω2077 V-PXM-3S ...ταχυς5036 A-NSM εις1519 PREP το3588 T-ASN ακουσαι191 V-AAN βραδυς1021 A-NSM εις1519 PREP το3588 T-ASN λαλησαι2980 V-AAN βραδυς1021 A-NSM εις1519 PREP οργην3709 N-ASF
Jam_1:19 ...be2077 swift5036 to hear,191
slow1021
to speak,2980
slow1021
to1519
wrath:3709
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm:
There are close affinities
of thought, and in some cases also of language, between 1Pe_1:6-7, and Wis_3:5-6; Heb_1:3, and Wis_7:26-27; 1Co_10:9-10, and Jud_8:24-25; 1Co_6:13, and Ecc_36:20.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08554a.htm
St. Jerome, while
rejecting in theory those books which he did not find in his Hebrew manuscript,
yet consented to translate Judith because "the Synod of Nicaea is said to
have accounted it as Sacred Scripture" (Praef. in Lib.). It is true that
no such declaration is to be found in the Canons of Nicaea, and it is uncertain
whether St. Jerome is referring to the use made of the book in the discussions
of the council, or whether he was misled by some spurious canons attributed to
that council, but it is certain that the Fathers of the earliest times have
reckoned Judith among the canonical books; thus St. Paul seems to quote the
Greek text of Judith, viii, 14, in I Cor.,
ii, 10 (cf. also 1Co_10:10, with Jud_8:25). In the early Christian Church we find it quoted as
part of Scripture in the writing of St. Clement of Rome (First Epistle ot the Corinthians, lv), Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and
Tertullian.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom
Wisdom & Matthew
Parallels between
Wisdom and Matthew include the theme of testing, and the mocking of a servant
of God's claim to be protected by God. Matthew's gospel teaches that Jesus is
the suffering servant of God. This allusion can be seen in other passages
throughout the Bible:
Mat_27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants
him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.
Mat_27:43 GNT
πέποιθεν ἐπὶ τὸν
Θεόν, ῥυσάσθω νῦν
αὐτόν,
εἰ θέλει
αὐτόν· εἶπε
γὰρ ὅτι
Θεοῦ εἰμι Υἱός.
Wis_2:13, Wis_17-18 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and
he calleth himself the child of the Lord [παῖδα
κυρίου ἑαυτὸν ὀνομάζει]... Let us see if his words be true... For if the just man be the son of God [υἱὸς
θεοῦ], he will help him, and deliver him.
Psa_22:8 He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him
deliver him, since he delights in him.
The Matthew passage is similar in language and theme to the Wisdom passage,
which in turn alludes to the suffering servant of Psalms 22. The Matthew
passage more closely reflects the language of Wisdom than of the Psalm,
especially in the use of the phrase "the Son of God" which does not
appear in the Psalm.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sira
In the New
Testament
Some people claim
that there are several allusions to the book of Sirach in the New testament. These include The magnificat in Luk_1:52 following Sir_10:14, the description of the seed in Mar_4:5,16-17 following Sir_40:15, and Christ's statement in 7:16,20 following Sir_27:6.[2]
The distinguished
patristic scholar Henry Chadwick has claimed that in Mat_11:28 Jesus was directly quoting Sir_51:27.[3]
-- \/
Should be said a
direct reference, not a direct quote
Mat_11:28 δευτε
1205(5773)[COME] προς 4314[TO] με 3165[ME,] παντες
3956[ALL] οι 3588[YE THAT] κοπιωντες
2872(5723)[LABOUR] και 2532[AND] πεφορτισμενοι
5412(5772)[ARE BURDENED,] καγω 2504[AND I] αναπαυσω 373(5692)[WILL
GIVE REST] υμας
5209[YOU.]
Sir_51:27 ἴδετε ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς ὑμῶν
ὅτι ὀλίγον ἐκοπίασα
καὶ εὗρον ἐμαυτῷ
πολλὴν ἀνάπαυσιν.
Sir_51:27 Behold with your eyes,
how that I have but little labour, and have gotten unto me much rest.
Sir_51:26 Put your neck under
the yoke, and let
your soul receive instruction: she is hard at hand to find.
Sir_51:26 τὸν τράχηλον
ὑμῶν ὑπόθετε ὑπὸ
ζυγόν, καὶ ἐπιδεξάσθω
ἡ ψυχὴ ὑμῶν
παιδείαν. ἐγγύς ἐστιν εὑρεῖν
αὐτήν.
/\
Mat_11:29 αρατε
142(5657) τον 3588[TAKE] ζυγον 2218 μου 3450[MY YOKE] εφ 1909[UPON] υμας 5209[YOU,] και 2532[AND] μαθετε
3129(5628)[LEARN] απ 575[FROM] εμου 1700[ME,] οτι 3754[FOR] πραος
4235[MEEK] ειμι 1510(5748)[I AM] και 2532[AND] ταπεινος
5011
τη 3588[LOWLY] καρδια
2588[IN HEART;] και 2532[AND] ευρησετε
2147(5692)[YE SHALL FIND] αναπαυσιν
372
ταις 3588[REST] ψυχαις
5590
υμων 5216[TO YOUR SOULS.]
Mat_11:30 ο 3588 γαρ 1063[FOR] ζυγος
2218
μου 3450[MY YOKE] χρηστος
5543[EASY] και 2532 το 3588[AND] φορτιον
5413[BURDEN] μου 3450[MY] ελαφρον
1645[LIGHT] εστιν 2076(5748)[IS.]
--
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05263a.htm
--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Baruch
Use in the New Testament
* Luk_13:29 bears relation to Bar_4:37 [2].
* Joh_3:13 bears relation to Bar_3:29 (ibid.).
* 1Co_10:20 bears relation to Bar_4:7 (ibid.).
* Joh_1:14 bears relation to Bar_3:38 as well as to Lev_26:11-12, 1Ki_8:27, and Psa_85:9.
Josiahs says:
Tob 14 has
incredible prophetic insite in to escatology even unto the second diaspora!
...
Heb_11:35 refers to an event that was only explicitly recorded
in one of the deuterocanonical books (2Ma_7)
?
...
Athanasius believed
that they were useful for reading, but that, except for Baruch,
they were not in the canon.
...
2Ma_2:1-3 – 2 Maccabees may be referring to The Epistle of Jeremy in chapter 2 verses 1-3.
...
Yod quotes:
"If, (say they (d),) all the nations of the world were
gathered together, "to root one word out of the law", they could not
do it; which you may learn from Solomon, who sought to root "one letter
out of the law", the letter "jod", in Deu_17:16 but the holy blessed God said, Solomon
shall cease, and an hundred such as he (in the Talmud (e) it is a thousand such as he) ויוד ממך
אינה בטילה
לעולם,
"but, jod shall not cease
from thee (the law) for ever".''
And elsewhere the same expression
is used (f), and it
is added,
"ljbm
ynya Kmm huwqw, "but a tittle
from thee shall not perish."''
...
The Greeks use the word Anagignoskomena
to describe those books of the Greek Septuagint
which are not present in the Hebrew Tanakh. These
books include the entire Catholic deuterocanon listed above, plus the following
additional texts:
1 Esdras
(also included in the Clementine Vulgate)
Odes which includes the Prayer of Manasses
...
Ezra (1 Esdras) Nehemiah
(2 Esdras)
...
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,
and Oriental Orthodox
Wisdom
(Wisdom of Solomon)
Ben Sira
(Ecclesiasticus) (Wisdom of Sirach)
Letter of Jeremiah
- Considered as part of Baruch in Roman Catholic Tradition
Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox
1 Esdras (3
Esdras)
Book of Odes (includes Prayer of Manasseh)
Russian and Oriental Orthodox
2 Esdras (4
Esdras)
Oriental Orthodox
...
The deuterocanonical scriptural texts are:
· Rest
of Esther (Vulgate Est_10:4-16:24)
Ben Sira,
also called Sirach or Ecclesiasticus
Baruch,
including the Letter of Jeremiah
· The
Additions to Daniel _
Song of the Three Children
(Vulgate Dan_3:24-90)
Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel
13)
The Idol Bel and the Dragon
(Vulgate Daniel 14)
The Apocrypha section of the King James Bible
includes, in addition to the deuterocanonical books, the following three books,
which are not in the Catholic canon:
1 Esdras
(also known as 3 Esdras)
2 Esdras
(also known as 4 Esdras)
5.21.07
from
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm
THE CANON AMONG THE ALEXANDRIAN JEWS (DEUTEROCANONICAL BOOKS)
The most striking difference between the Catholic and Protestant Bibles is
the presence in the former of a number of writings which are wanting in the
latter and also in the Hebrew Bible, which became the Old Testament of
Protestantism. These number seven books: Tobias (Tobit), Judith, Wisdom,
Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, I and II Machabees, and three documents added to
protocanonical books, viz., the supplement to Esther, from x, 4, to the end, the
Canticle of the Three Youths (Song of the Three Children) in Daniel, iii, and
the stories of Susanna and the Elders and Bel and the Dragon, forming the
closing chapters of the Catholic version of that book. Of these works, Tobias
and Judith were written originally in Aramaic, perhaps in Hebrew; Baruch and I
Machabees in Hebrew, while Wisdom and II Machabees were certainly composed in
Greek. The probabilities favour Hebrew as the original language of the addition
to Esther, and Greek for the enlargements of Daniel.
***********
Notes
***********
Created: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 11:26:36 AM
Modified: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 12:16:53 PM
Beyond
Appocrypha – Book Symbles for Extra Books
85A Psalm of Solomon
86A Odes
73A Epistle of Jeremiah
67A Tobit
68A Judith
69A Esther, Greek
70A Wisdom of Solomon
71A Ecclesiasticus (Sira
72A Baruch
74A Prayer of Azariah
75A Susanna
76A Bel and the Dragon
77A 1 Maccabees
78A 2 Maccabees
79A 3 Maccabees
80A 4 Maccabees
81A 1 Esdras
82A 2 Esdras
83A Prayer of Manasseh
84A Psalm 151
Canonization: Closed Cannon?
6/20/14;
2/21/17 (recompiled)
From the very beginning of the official Hebrew Bible, Moses firmly
predicted continued prophecy and revelation after his departure. Jesus also
sealed His followers with the monotheistic spirit of God and assured those who
were sent out to govern His assembly that God would continue to speak through
them.
Truth has always flowed from Adam, Moses, the other prophets, Jesus, His
stationed away apostles, and the early Church.
Heretical Apostates have always been the only ones liberal enough to
boldly defend unbelief and preach atheism against what God is currently
speaking in the earth right now.
Saul's blaspheming son (that threw rocks), Naball, and the other
unbelievers tried to shut the door of prophecy in the face of those
contemporary heros who convicted their guilty soul.
The saducess eventually took up their legacy of heresy, atheim, and
liberal unbelief in seeking to undermine the faith of the original pharisees.
Eazra and the original scribes and the original pharisees reinforced the
continuance of prophecy by compiling their current scriptures. They recieved
the open cannon that continued through David, and the prophets, right on up
unto their current day.
Post-Joshua atheistic unbelievers
Saducess
Unbelievers against Jesus
Unbelievers against Paul (some of whom had infiltrated Galatia and
Corinth)
Apostate Jews of Jamnia in 90 ad tried to retroacticely close the cannon
with Ezra -contrary to his example- sacrificing their own recent Scriptures
(the "apocrypha") in order to cut off the spread of possible
"christian scriptures" (note: that is always the wrong way to oppose
what you do not like -- cut off good to deny what you disagree with)
- Muslems - who say that Mohamid was the "last prophet of god"
- Protestants - who tried to insane-ly introduce Jamnia's anti-christian apostacy
in-between the two covenants while hypocitially claiming to recieve the new
test!
- most intentionally dead churches today blasphemously act like it is a
fundamental virtue of absolute orthodoxy to zealously deny any claim to
continued revelation from God.
How absurd can it get, where even today parot preahers perversly fight
to define othodoxy as unbelief!
(they loudly repeate and squak the things they
have been told in semetary and harloty houses without even really understanding
the implications of the words they speak)
They fallow their father the devil by walking in the footsteps of the unbeliving
saducess, and they forget the words of Paul who claimed to be fulfilling the
hope and faith of the original pharisees by believing in the resurrection of
the dead... And at this appeal, even some pharisees temporarily defended him
against the saducess, because "an angel might have spoken to him"!
The popular liberal leaders of the religious establishment were
unbeliving heretics, denying Moses' predictions of continued prophecy just as
the hypocritical Dead church leaders do today.
From the legacy of heros like Moses and Ezrah to the perfectly continued
testimony of the apostles and their imediate disciples which were left in
charge of the faithful and miricle-working assemblies, Jesus still demands that
we give a faithful jugement of those who claim to be apostles and righteously
afirm if people like John the Baptist are speaking the word of God from Heven,
or from men.
----
Rev_11 Proves an Open Cannon
9/6/16
The very fundamental fact of the two witnesses absolutely proves that the
New Testament cannon is not closed.
We are supposed to be awaiting the new proclamations of the two
witnesses.
When they testify, without any contradiction, their Words will obviously
be the Words of God, and they will be just as much Scripture as anything else
we have in Bibles today.
This is not some huge novelty or wierd fring theology.
This is very solid and clear and obvious truth that no one can deny
without being a raving satan worshiper.
There are prophecies yet to be fulfilled and there are REAL prophets who
are yet to be revealed.
The Bible is true, and it is absolutely clear that is is an unfished
work untill all things are completed.
Don't judge the scene of evil churchianity based on a heretical and
demonic assumption that it is good.
Don't judge based on your non-cannonical experience which is a result of
evil hatred and apostacy.
Bible Difficulties
Answering Bible challenges, Bible difficulties,
Bible paradoxes, and disproving supposed “Bible contradictions”
7/19/04; 7/22/04 (Word: Modified); 2/20/17
(recompiled); 2/2/19
-- under construction --
Being honest and Truly scientific and learning Letteral Obedience and hopefully obtaining Divine help is the answer to all “Bible Difficulties”
Other date(s); 3/31/19
Due to human Translation, not the actual
Divine text
Act_27:10
1Ti_5:1 vs. 1Ti_5:20 -- just English versions… clearly
this is not a different doctrine or an accident in writing
--------------- \/
1Co_4:5 vs. 1Co_5:3, etc. – not a contradiction, just miss-mistranslation and countless years of heresy
Mother vs James & John
Mat_20:28 (Mat_20:20-28)
Mat_20:27 – Διακονος… Δουλος = no rights
Mar_10:44-45 (Mar_10:31, Mar_10:35-45
>> see: LLO
Variation of
details does not discredit peoples testimony, but
proves non-collusion and that their testimony is authentic…
Just interview to
witnesses of a fire and you will get various different details and that proves
their witness is actually true….
See: INSP / LOGIC
Truth is very
frequently counter-intuitive (otherwise, everyone would know it and it would
not be TRUTH!) -- and the Bible is full of paradoxes…
but it is NEVER illogical!
Christian
disunity versus biblical unity promises
Christian
inconsistency
inconsistencies in Christianity do not
contradict the Bible
9/14/19
Jesus prayed
that His people would be 1 and there are even guarantees that He will build His
church and that He will have a bride in the very end times...
but it is important to keep in mind that this is not a
Bible contradiction with the status of Christianity today, or failure of
prophecy, or a failure of the ideals of what is expected in the Bible, since
none of these promises have anything to do with modern churchianity...
Christianity is
not the bride of Christ today but the harlot of antichrist and is 4 spoken and
prophesied countless times throughout the scriptures / Old and New testament
I've had people
say that all of these denominations and Christians that disagree weakens my point but actually this establishes my very
point...
saying or thinking such things just shows that you have
not thought this issue through, or even considered my point
the fact that Jews have apostated (no head coverings,
no Messiah faith) does not disprove the Jewish Scriptures since the scriptures
themselves predict the apostasy of the Jews from the beginning starting even
with Moses himself...
>> Scrip:
\
likewise also
in the exact same way the apostasy of churchianity and its divisions and its
disagreements and its follies and its contradictions and it's shameful and
illogical fallacies do not disprove the Bible at all, but in fact they proved
that the New Testament Scriptures are accurate when they predict the apostasy
of church people...
Lord,
Lord
9/14/19
in one place it
seems to say that you can't say Jesus is Lord without God being in you and
another place it seems like calling Him Lord is not good enough at all to get you
in heaven
Only Begotten Son?
Other dates;
9/14/19-9/15/19
Only kind generated
with a doctrine so seemingly Central as this you would
think that there wouldn't seem to be contradictions in the Bible about it...
Why do Bibles seem to call JC only begotten
even after taking about other children of God?
Example: 1st John
God’s other “children” include…
· angels (comp. Job MT and LXX)
· righteous people
· all other humans (in the sense of God’s offspring, while at the same time being immediate products of the Devil -- another non-contradiction BTW)
“only begotten son” is a favorite term for John.
There is one other place outside of John’s writing in the NT that uses this term…
Abraham was a perfect example parable of
God:
· Father of many nations = God the Father
· Sacrificed his willing son
· Had an “only begotten son”……. So: perfect, right?
· WAIT A MINUT! ----- Abraham had more than one son!!!!!
---------------
Take no thought for the morrow…
Vs.
Prepare or worse than unbeliever…
You make the Word of God of no effect
Vs.
Word will not return void
Word of God cannot be broken
>> TSK
---------------
Fig Tree
VGNT:
“παραχρῆμα διὰ χιρός, “directly
from hand to hand” (Edd.), a common phrase in monetary transactions, see
further Berger Strafklauseln p.
78 f. The word is associated with delay for a month in such a passage as P Amh
II. 49.5 (B.C. 108) ἀποτεισάτωσαν ἐν τῷ ἐχομένωι μην<ὶ> ἡμιόλιον παραχρῆμα.
On the other hand notice the emphatic εὐθὺς κ̣αὶ παραχρῆμα in P Strass
I. 35.17 (iv/v
A.D.) : cf.
Dalman”
Luk_4:39 AndG2532 standingG2186 aboveG1883 her,G1473 he reproachedG2008 theG3588 fever;G4446 andG2532 it leftG863 her.G1473 And immediatelyG3916 G1161 rising upG450 she servedG1247 to them.G1473
Luk_5:25 καιG2532CONJ καί and παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing itself ανασταςG450V-2AAP-NSM ἀνίστημι to stand up ενωπιονG1799ADV ἐνώπιον in the face of αυτωνG846P-GPM αὐτός he, she, it αραςG142V-AAP-NSM αἴρω to lift up εφG1909PREP ἐπί superimposition οG3739R-ASN ὅς who, which ναβ [ωG3739R-DSN ὅς who, which] τσ κατεκειτοG2621V-INI-3S κατάκειμαι to lie down απηλθενG565V-2AAI-3S ἀπέρχομαι to go off ειςG1519PREP εἰς to τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the οικονG3624N-ASM οἶκος a dwelling αυτουG846P-GSM αὐτός he, she, it δοξαζωνG1392V-PAP-NSM δοξάζω glorious τονG3588T-ASM ὁ the θεονG2316N-ASM θεός god
Luk_19:11 ακουοντωνG191V-PAP-GPM ἀκούω to hear δεG1161CONJ δέ but αυτωνG846P-GPM αὐτός he, she, it ταυταG5023D-APN οὗτος these things προσθειςG4369V-2AAP-NSM προστίθημι to place
additionally ειπενG2036V-2AAI-3S ἔπω to speak παραβοληνG3850N-ASF παραβολή a similitude διαG1223PREP διά through τοG3588T-ASN ὁ the εγγυςG1451ADV ἐγγύς near [αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it] τσβ ειναιG1511V-PXN εἰμί to exist ιερουσαλημG2419N-PRI Ἱερουσαλήμ Hierusalem αυτονG846P-ASM αὐτός he, she, it να καιG2532CONJ καί and δοκεινG1380V-PAN δοκέω to think αυτουςG846P-APM αὐτός he, she, it οτιG3754CONJ ὅτι that, because παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing
itself μελλειG3195V-PAI-3S μέλλω to intend ηG3588T-NSF ὁ the βασιλειαG932N-NSF βασιλεία royalty τουG3588T-GSM ὁ the θεουG2316N-GSM θεός god αναφαινεσθαιG398V-PPN ἀναφαίνω to show
Act_16:33 καιG2532CONJ καί and παραλαβωνG3880V-2AAP-NSM παραλαμβάνω to receive near αυτουςG846P-APM αὐτός he, she, it ενG1722PREP ἔν in εκεινηG1565D-DSF ἐκεῖνος that one τηG3588T-DSF ὁ the ωραG5610N-DSF ὥρα an hour τηςG3588T-GSF ὁ the νυκτοςG3571N-GSF νύξ night ελουσενG3068V-AAI-3S λούω to bathe αποG575PREP ἀπό off τωνG3588T-GPF ὁ the πληγωνG4127N-GPF πληγή a stroke καιG2532CONJ καί and εβαπτισθηG907V-API-3S βαπτίζω to immerse αυτοςG846P-NSM αὐτός he, she, it καιG2532CONJ καί and οιG3588T-NPM ὁ the αυτουG846P-GSM αὐτός he, she, it παντεςG3956A-NPM πᾶς all παραχρημαG3916ADV παραχρῆμα at the thing itself
Act_5:10
Strange LXX Usage as a Synynim to
Immediately
Job_5:3 WEB I have seen the foolish taking root, but suddenly I cursed his habitation.
Job_5:3 LB And I have seen foolish ones taking root, but suddenly their dwelling place was devoured.
Job_5:3 ἐγὼ δὲ ἑώρακα ἄφρονας ῥίζαν βάλλοντας, ἀλλ᾿ εὐθέως ἐβρώθη αὐτῶν ἡ δίαιτα.
Job_5:3 And IG1473 G1161 have seenG3708 foolsG878 [2rootG4491 1laying];G906 andG2532 I cursedG2672 G3588 their attractivenessG2143 G1473 immediately.G3916
Job_5:3 εγω δεG1473 G1161 εωρακαG3708 αφροναςG878 ριζαςG4491 βαλλονταςG906 καιG2532 κατηρασαμηνG2672 τηνG3588 ευπρεπειαν
αυτωνG2143 G1473 παραχρημαG3916
the fig tree -- continued…
7/11/19
>> Scrip:
rapidly withering hand examples of Moses and the
Josiah prophesying prophet
typical time fulfilling withering of plants and
other examples
we have to make a choice about whether we
decide to consider Matthew 21 as describing a rapid withering or as a normal
withering that takes the normal course of time...
when it says that the tree is dried from The
Roots this does imply that the water supply was cut off from the ground and it
would take a normal course of time for the tree to result in drying out
John_3:16 "only
begotten" vs the Bible saying other children of God incl angels sometimes,
and also the righteous
Abraham sacrifice
uses same word.
now we know for sure that this is not a
"mistake" because it is intentional...
Mat_10:10; Mar_6:8; Luk_9:3
ν πονασε·νον τον θαοντες, λη
αν μεταριον ἐξελθονασε.ν οὐδερ ἦν καιρος συ
́ν θάετε ὅτι λαμβανετε, και
https://www.google.com/search?q=Noncontradiction
\/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction
https://carm.org/dictionary-law-of-non-contradiction
Paradox / Notice Scientific Details
... he will NOT forsake, then...
Deu 31:17-18 -- He
will forsake IN THAT DAY
Learning Letteral Obedience from the
Centurion Story
Mat8
Luk6
3/5/18
you have to piece
both texts together to get a more complete picture of what happened, but it
appears that it happened from both directions: the Centurion began to go toward
Jesus, but then considered and stopped himself and sent a delegation instead,
and Jesus began to go toward the Centurion but then was stopped from completing
His trip to the centurion's house by the surprising and marvelous faith of the
Centurion.
Yes, you may indeed
have gotten the wrong impression when you read one or the other text, but there
is nothing in the actual words themselves that actually contradict each other
or say something that is proven to be even technically incorrect (in every
sense in which you look at it).
if you are actually thinking be
honest, notice that the error is not actually in the Words themselves but in
the way that you view the world and the way that you understand the information
that goes into your ears.
the reputation of the Bible itself precedes
itself, and there is way too much weighty evidence in favor of the Bible to so
easily trip because we don't understand the details.
it is sad on our
behalf that we are in such a pitiful state of lacking understanding, but
sometimes we have to focus on the big picture and the major point of what is
being told to us and Trust the details into Heaven's hands, because we are not
that smart, and we are definitely messed up morally, not to mention
academically... and in countless other ways. Our perception is obviously
compromised and messed up, and the Bible obviously sees way more than you can
possibly imagine.
>> Scrip:
indeed, the weakness of
God is stronger than the strength of men!
the righteousness of the Truth so
powerfully saves the poor & humble, even when they don't understand all the
details of what it is saying.
The fact that the
Bible is True and yet we run into these troubles when trying to read it, proves
that God is willing to Divinely inspire the human process of relating stories,
even if the way in which those stories are represented seem frail and
inadequate for thoroughly communicating to us all of the details and precise
understanding that we wish we would have apprehended at first.
what is quite shocking
and very intriguing and mystifying is that many of the week and Despicable
elements that we naturally think would be removed in the process of Divine
inspiration are actually left there intentionally just to be a scandal to trip
up and Harden those who will not believe.
you see, it would be one thing if such
paradoxes (or supposed contradictions) were there by accident - if it was an
accident and a mistake that would be corrected if the original author had only
known, then indeed we could conclude that the Bible would not be perfect. but
after paying close attention to all such paradoxes throughout the Bible and
being truly scientific and logical and intellectually honest and thorough and
studied and doing all due diligence before jumping to rash non-scientific
Reckless conclusions, then we would realize that the Bible is not doing these
things by accident but by very intentional strategic insistent bold design!
now some who do not
believe the Bible May indeed be aggravated against me for seeking to defend the
Integrity of Gods humbled yet perfect Divinity working through little humans,
and it may be even yet more hard to accept this, but you are actually closer to
my faith than most church people...
because at least you are
forthright in declaring that you don't believe the Bible because of such
paradoxes (which you call contradictions) but church people claim to believe
the Bible in spite of these difficulties, and yet live in a way that absolutely
proves that they don't believe the Truth that is contained in these very
passages...
whenever we claim
to believe the Bible, and then assume that people are not inspired because our
foolish Pea-brains think that we have judged their imperfections, and caught
them in their weaknesses, we are being enormous Hypocrites and lying fools of
Mindless recklessness. our professions of faith in the
Bible are absolutely untrue and guilty of fraud, because they do not extend the
same mercy and Justice to those who speak the Truth in perfect words that we do
not understand perfectly.
we are so quick to assume non
inspiration on perfectly inspired righteous humbled poor people, which
absolutely proves that we hate and reject the Bible and are fears enemies of
the Word of God.
Whoever assumes non
inspiration when a poor person speaks is a fierce enemy of the word of God.
you no longer have
any excuse at all whatsoever, and you have been emptied of all of the strength
of your lying boasts... it is high time your wretched and worthless Soul
finally repented of assuming non inspiration.
a poor humble
righteous person may seem frail and might even stutter in their words like
Moses, and may not even seem to State details in the most precise way like
Matthew and Luke, but if indeed their words open up the mysteries of heaven and
reveal how to actually obey the Bible, you can be sure that they have heard the
Truth and are speaking to you the Word of God!
........
YouTube:
you will have to pay attention and
watch this entire series to get everything that I'm saying, because at the end I'm
going to reveal a surprising twist about what I actually believe in why I'm
actually saying all of this...
at first you may think that you agree
with me but you actually don't, and at first you may think that you disagree
with me but you're actually not as far away as you thought...
Your Failure to Be Specific is No Excuse to Pretend that the Bible is Contradictory
The New Testament Was Not Originally Written in Aramaic
3/4/04; 3/6/04; 3/4/17 (recompiled)
Gospel Genealogies
Resolving the Gospel “Genealogies”?
The Gospel “genealogies” appear in Matthew 1 and Luke 3
Logical Prerequisite
We all know that there are people who want to believe the Bible and people who want to dis-believe the Bible.
Before encountering any evidence most people have already made up their mind based on their own prejudice and biased preferences.
In order to remove irrational bias and relative prejudice, we have to approach everything strictly and exclusively with logic and science.
In order to do this, we have to judge all texts based exclusively on what they actually say and not based on your personal impression of what they mean.
Both church people and secular people need drastic correction in this area, because both are notorious for irrational assertions of pre-judged and de-educated opinions.
In fact, if you approach the Bible and discuss it and seek to disprove it based on your impression of what it means, this itself is circular reasoning, and an illogical “straw man argument” because the Bible demands that you read it with strict logic as a prerequisite for reading comprehension and serious obedience.
You have to assume the Bible is not true in order to assert your impression of it above what the text literally says.
The Bible itself is a literalist text that claims foolish unbelievers cannot understand it, therefore you have to take it on its own terms to disprove it without the prejudice and bias of predetermined unbelief.
The Point: We got to be strictly logical in considering what the Bible actually says when discussing it in order to remove blinding personal bias and judge each text based on what it really saying in order to have honest discussions about it and to consider the objective proof of its nature.
True Contradictions Require Proof of Impossibility
Proof of Incompatibility is Required
to Verify a Contradiction
Interestingly, dis-believers assert that The Gospel “genealogies” clearly contradict each other.
There are differences in these Gospel accounts for sure, but up front, it remains to be seen if these differences in these accounts can be accounted for.
In order to verify a legitimate contradiction you have to prove that two statements or assertions are impossible to both exist.
But even if all we had were these two Biblical texts, we still have not proven a contradiction simply based on these variations in detail.
Assuming we were all equally as ignorant of history and Greek and Jewish culture and the Bible in general, we still have to at least start with what we all already know, and even that does not establish that we have a contradiction.
And in order for there to be a verified contradiction in The Gospel “genealogies” you have to prove that Joseph and/or his dad were definitely not involved in a Jewish “levirate marriage”.
And since no one is bothering to disprove the possibility of a “levirate marriage”, therefore no one has a legitimately verified contradiction, but only and alleged contradiction.
Ironically, the only way you can partly show that the variations were not exclusively due to a “levirate marriage” is by otherwise proving the genealogies to be logically consistent, as we can see in a little bit.
Now if the only way to dis-prove a “levirate marriage” is to prove that the “genealogies” can be reconciled, then no matter what you do, you end up proving that the “genealogies” are not contradictions.
It Worked for Them
Detectives
they had more information than us.
The Gospels worked for them.
Here we are thousands of years later and we think we have just now realized a contradiction!?
Reality check: they were smarter than us, with more integrity, and MUCH more first-hand information, having lived much closer to the original events.
Real Monotheists throughout history have never continued with any lie or based their hope on shaky and un-proven superstitions.
BTW: now here is one of the REAL reasons dis-believers are so ignorant and unscientific and can never reach the same conclusions as those trying to believe the Bible!
The early church quoted freely from both texts and gave up their lives for the sake of this hope.
They absolutely had to verify that these claims were True!
That’s pretty potent historical evidence that we’re missing something, if even they found the Gospels to be True after all of their vigor and intense investigation on the risk of their very lives!
Furthermore, out of the myriads of criticisms and accusation that we have from the Jews, in the Talmud for example, and other secular texts criticizing the original Christians, although they tried very hard to dis prove them, no one actually used the Gospel genealogies against them, but rather infact, in their very accusation they end up proving the inevitability that the genealogies were consistent enough with their own records.
Not only do the Jews avoid using the genealogies against the original Chirstians, they in fact had to argue on a basis of common knowledge back then that acknowledged a key part the very answer to the genealogies that mess us up today!
Spoiler: we can not only suspect that they had more information than us based on the testimony and martyrdom of the original Christians, but we can also actually prove that they did have more information than us when we dig up ancient texts that make the Gospel accounts even more believable!
In the end we do not dis-prove the Genealogies, we just prove that it was not written for us and our culture and lack of education.
It accomplished its original purpose and worked for those to whom it was originally written.
The fact that we trip up on it, just proves that we are not as compatible for the Bible as they were, and that should not surprise anyone.
Geneology vs. Legal-olgy
The Gospel “genealogies” appear in Matthew 1 and Luke 3
Although they are called “genealogies” They are not both proper genealogies.
Matthew 1 is a genealogy proper: so-and-so begot = generated/produced/caused-to-be, as in “Genesis”
Luke 3 is a legal-ology
Contacts example-demonstration Proves Non-Contradiction!
· We can use computer science to prove the Bible
· With Outlook contacts, gmail, and possibly your Android contacts address book, we can prove the Bible is True!
· The same basic proof-potential holds true with merging a data-base or excel file (which I might prefer) but for a more common and enticing example we can consider these more common tools
Joseph Tied into Miriam’s Line
Joseph was somehow tied into his wife’s legal registration.
This correlates with the context of the previous chapter: Luke 2
Luke 2 actually specifies that ‘Joseph was registered with his wife Marry (Miriam)’ but what we get in Luke 3 shows us that to what extent this even affected his legal identity.
This is odd, but not without precedent.
Usually women were married into men’s heritage:
Women are even exhorted to
>>Scrip:
“forget your people”
And most Jewish lineages are traced exclusively through the man -- as seen in the OT and even in Luke 3!
And while women were Usually married into men’s heritage, yet there are a few exceptions:
Moses was associated with Egypt, and then later with his father-in-law
Jacob was temporarily associated with his in-law -- Laban (when acquiring wives from Laban)
But most interestingly and provocatively, not only was the main Joseph of the New Testament associated with his wife’s heritage, though not stated explicitly, this fact surprisingly correlates with the OT Joseph who was also associated with his wife dad: Pharro!
Miriam in the Talmud
Jerusalem Talmud (Hagigah Book 77,4)
"Jerusalem Talmud: “He saw Miriam the daughter of Eli in the shadows. R. Lazar bar Josah said that she was suspended by the nipples of the breasts."
...
"In one of the tractates of the Palestinian Talmud we are given the story of a certain devout person who was privileged to see a vision of some of the punishments in hell. Among other sights.
"He saw also Miriam, the daughter of Eli Betzalim, suspended, as B. Lazar ben Jose says, by the paps of her breasts. E. Jose ben Chanina says: The hinge of hell's gate was fastened in her ear. He said to them [? the angels of punishment], Why is this done to her? The answer was, Because she fasted and published the fact. Others said, Because she fasted one day, and counted two days (of feasting) as a set-off'. He asked them, How long shall she be so? They answered him, Until Simeon ben Shetach comes; then we shall take it out of her ear and put it into his ear."[l] "
http://gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/jesus_live_100/ch9.html
7/12/20
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Age Anomalies in Genesis
See: Bible Summaries
Lions Strangle?
7/12/12;
2/21/17 (recompiled)
Nah_2:11-13
WEB Where is the
den of the lions, and the feeding place of the young lions, where the lion and
the lioness walked, the lion's cubs, and no one made them afraid? 12 The
lion tore in pieces enough for his cubs, and strangled for his lionesses,
and filled his caves with the kill, and his dens with prey. 13 "Behold, I am against you," says
Yahweh of Armies, "and I will burn her chariots in the smoke, and
the sword will devour your young lions; and I will cut off your prey
from the earth, and the voice of your messengers will no longer be heard."
Although he speaks of lions and whelps, the application
is to the conqoring king and his princes (the sub-leaders of his kingdom).
Wether or not lions usually strangle, victorious nations do certinly do this in
exicuting ther enemies.
"and strangled for his
lionesses; that is, strangled other beasts, as the lion first does, when it seizes
a creature, and then tears it in pieces, and brings it to the she lion in the
den with its whelps. These "lionesses" design the wives and
concubines of the kings of Assyria, among whom they parted the spoils of their
neighbours. So the Targum,
"kings bring rapine to
their wives, and a prey to their children;''
that is, riches, which they have taken from others by
force and rapine: thus Cicero (r)
observes of the kings of Persia and Syria, that they had many wives, and gave
cities to them after this manner; this city for their headdress, this for the
neck, and the other for the hair; the expenses of them"
(Gill)
Apparent Contradictions That Are Not Real!
Real Examples of Apparent Contradictions that Are
Actually Both True
2/21/17; …3/19/17
When you have approximately more than 40 authors, 3 languages and thousands of years, you have got a lot of details to synchronize.
Life Examples of invalid “Contradictions”
“soda” -- someone might see a health record that I drank soda, and compare that with reports I’ve given that I drank soda
Resolution: the “soda” I drink is homemade healthy carbonated drink, and not like the unhealthy “dead” “soda” that I and most americans have drunk.
“Youth pastor” was not historically recorded as a “pastor” at that church
Resolution: He was, in fact, called a “Youth pastor” by all his disciples, but on paper he was only called a “Youth director” because of a foolish policy in the Assemblies of god.
1/9/06
Song: “Younger Women as Sisters”
Date Questions:
· hand-written notes are dated 1/9/05, but it comes right after “Raises The Dead” which is dated 12/16/05 leading me to conclude that I miss-wrote the date, by writing the recently passed to year instead of the fresh new year’s date.
· It seems like I wrote this song about one year before meeting my disciples
· 2005 date seems unlikely because I don’t think I returned to Chi Alpha that soon after being kicked out of first assembly in 2004
· I remember first writing these lyrics in the parking lot as I was seeking to go into Chi Alpha, which seems like it should’ve been on a Friday night, but these dates place it on a Sunday (very unlikely) or Monday (did Chi Alpha temporarily meet on Monday nights?)
Bible Translations create verbal contradictions -- Luther, NIV, etc.
Hecklers: Confusing church traditions for the Bible
Shallow atheists who confuse a paradox for a contradiction.
Sarchasm, word-play
To Answer a fool according to his folly, or not?
There is a big difference between an unintentional accident, and an intentional paradox
· Acts’ story of Paul’s testimony, and,
· the rest of the Bible
if you went up to the original authors, would they be embarrassed and regretful and change their tune, or would they (almost) laugh at you for being so shallow and foolish?
Many of these are not internal problems with the Bible, but follies in the people claiming to read the Bible.
came
Source Text Variations
The work of
fixing the evil done by apostasy and evil Scribes
10/18/12; 4/17/13; 10/11/13; 2/8/17 (recompiled); 2/22/17;
Joh_4:22 – You worship what you
do not know
Ultimately, all of God's
Words will not pass away
- law:
get a copy from tabernacle/temple,
- God's words are
perfect... silver refined
- Jeruselem destroyed,
- vain
pen of false scribe
but
still...
- iota/keriahs remaining
until heaven and earth pass away, but still, forseeing the madness we would be
subjected to, He still says,
Rev: whoever adds to these
Words/ takes away from them.
- we
see the same principles as said in Mat5 (i.e. every smallest detail will
endure, even at the expense of your unworthy soul, if necesary)
- We see from this that the
perverts who change the scriptures do not even really fear total damnation! (and this includes paraphrases)
- we
also see that perverts are capable of both adding or subtracting from God's
truth, and the scriptures themselves foresee this (and it is recorded for us in
virtually every source text).
--
We are required to be willing
to even use and reference corrupted texts for evidence because we do not get to
choose what means God has provided evidence for truth to us.
God spoke through Balam,
and we do not get to prefer a different means of God communicating to us. And
at the same time, we are also oblidged to 'kill Balam' and testify against him
whenever he starts to resume his sorcery.
1. Original Texts
OT documents:
Ü·Þ 6th Century AD = Scribes, then Þ “Masoretes” preserved Scriptures 500 more years as the “Masoretic Text.” Later 10th Cent. Family of “ben Asher” + Masoretes of Tiberias took over. Þ 12th Cent. only recognized Hebrew Text
First Printed Ones: (printing 1450 A.D.)
Rabinic Printings- 1. “Daniel Bomberg” (1516-17), 2. “Jacob ben Chayyim” (1524-25),
ÞBoth
based on latest passed down texts
5. 3rd addition of Rudolph Kitte’s Biblia Hebraica (1. 1906, 2. 1912, 3. 1937) –Based on oldest dated of ben Asher text: “the Leningard Manuscript B19a” (A.D. 1008).
NT documents:
5,000 in Greek
8,000 other languages
& many more in other languages
Number of
confirmations surpasses any authoritative proof of any other work of antiquity.
Main Different Texts Used:
1. “Authorized Version,” or “Traditional Text,” later called “Textus Receptous” or “Received Text” (KJV, NKJV, and others?) (Supported by “Byzantine Text” - just as old as NIVs text).
2. Late 19th Century discovered:
“Coadex Vaticanus” & -They Often disagree
“Codex Sinaiticus” Ýß = “Alaxandrian Text” (NIV)
“Papyri” -said to be the oldest texts we have.
3. “Majority Text” (None of them earlier than 5th Century)
-Similar to Textus Receptous except in Revelation.
Major variations:
Act 8:37 KJVA And Philip said, If you
believest with all thine heart, you mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [Not in NU
Texts or M]
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken,
and the other left. (But it has it in other places)
Act 15:34
Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide
there still. (right befor the break up of Paul and
Silas)
Act 24:7 But the chief captain Lysias
came upon us,
and with great violence took him
away out of our hands, [Tertullus prosecuting Paul]
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Num 22:12
WEB God said to Balaam, You shall not go
with them; you shall not curse the people; for they are blessed.
Num 22:12 LB And God said to Balaam, “You shall not go with them, neither shall you
curse the people, for they are blessed.”
Num 22:12 καὶ εἶπεν
ὁ θεὸς πρὸς
Βαλααμ Οὐ πορεύσῃ
μετ᾿ αὐτῶν οὐδὲ
καταράσῃ τὸν
λαόν· ἔστιν γὰρ
εὐλογημένος.
Num 22:13
WEB Balaam rose up in the morning, and
said to the princes of Balak, Go to your land; for Yahweh refuses to permit me
to go with you.
Num 22:13 LB And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said to the princes of Balak,
“Depart quickly to your master; God does not permit me to go with you.”
Num 22:13 καὶ ἀναστὰς
Βαλααμ τὸ πρωὶ
εἶπεν τοῖς ἄρχουσιν
Βαλακ Ἀποτρέχετε
πρὸς τὸν κύριον
ὑμῶν· οὐκ ἀφίησίν
με ὁ θεὸς πορεύεσθαι
μεθ᾿ ὑμῶν.
Num 22:14
WEB The princes of Moab rose up, and
they went to Balak, and said, Balaam refuses to come with us.
Num 22:14 And
the princes of Moab rose, and came to Balak, and said, “Balaam will not come
with us.”
Num 22:14 καὶ ἀναστάντες
οἱ ἄρχοντες
Μωαβ ἦλθον πρὸς
Βαλακ καὶ εἶπαν
Οὐ θέλει
Βαλααμ πορευθῆναι
μεθ᾿ ἡμῶν.
Jos
21:43 WEB
So Yahweh gave to Israel all the land which he swore to give to
their fathers. They possessed it, and lived in it.
Jos
21:43 LB The
Promise Fulfilled So the Lord gave to Israel all the land which He swore to
give to their fathers: and they inherited it, and dwelt in it.
Jos 21:43
Καὶ ἔδωκεν κύριος
τῷ Ισραηλ πᾶσαν
τὴν γῆν, ἣν ὤμοσεν
δοῦναι τοῖς
πατράσιν αὐτῶν,
καὶ
κατεκληρονόμησαν
αὐτὴν καὶ κατῴκησαν
ἐν αὐτῇ.
Jos 21:44 WEB Yahweh gave them rest all around, according to all that he swore to their fathers. Not a man of all their enemies stood before them. Yahweh delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos
21:44 And the Lord gave them rest round about, as He swore
to their fathers; not one of all their enemies maintained his ground against
them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hands.
Jos 21:44
καὶ κατέπαυσεν
αὐτοὺς κύριος
κυκλόθεν, καθότι
ὤμοσεν τοῖς
πατράσιν αὐτῶν·
οὐκ ἀνέστη οὐθεὶς
κατενώπιον αὐτῶν
ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐχθρῶν
αὐτῶν· πάντας
τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῶν
παρέδωκεν κύριος
εἰς τὰς χεῖρας
αὐτῶν.
Jos 21:45 WEB Nothing failed of any good thing which Yahweh had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass.
Jos
21:45 There failed not one of the good things which the
Lord spoke to the children of Israel; all came to pass.
Jos 21:45 οὐ
διέπεσεν ἀπὸ πάντων
τῶν ῥημάτων τῶν
καλῶν, ὧν ἐλάλησεν
κύριος τοῖς υἱοῖς
Ισραηλ· πάντα
παρεγένετο.
Jos 23:14 WEB
Behold, today I am going the way of all the earth. You know in
all your hearts and in all your souls that not one thing has failed of all the
good things which Yahweh your God spoke concerning you. All have happened to
you. Not one thing has failed of it.
Jos
23:14 LB “But I hasten to go the way of death, as all that are
upon the earth also do. And you know in your heart and in your soul, that not
one word has fallen to the ground of all the words which the Lord our God has
spoken respecting all that concerns us; there has not one of them failed.
Jos 23:14 ἐγὼ
δὲ ἀποτρέχω τὴν
ὁδὸν καθὰ καὶ πάντες
οἱ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς,
καὶ γνώσεσθε τῇ
καρδίᾳ ὑμῶν καὶ
τῇ ψυχῇ ὑμῶν διότι
οὐ διέπεσεν εἷς
λόγος ἀπὸ πάντων
τῶν λόγων, ὧν εἶπεν
κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν,
πρὸς πάντα τὰ ἀνήκοντα
ὑμῖν, οὐ διεφώνησεν
ἐξ αὐτῶν.
TSK: not one thing: Jos_21:43-45, Exo_3:8, Exo_23:27-30, Lev_26:3-13, Num_23:19, Deu_28:1-14, 1Sa_3:19, 1Ki_8:56, Luk_21:33