DTA Discipleship Training Apprenticeship

Becoming a Real Apprentice-Learner of the REAL Jesus by Obeying Those He Sent

and Finding The Path of True, Original Christianity

The Submissive Obedience you Have to do to the Divine Truth on Earth in Order to Inherit the Kingdom of Heaven

The pursuit of becoming Apprentice Learners of Jesus


Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

12/28/07 (original title: Discipleship); 1/6/08 (Original Sunday Morning Presentation); 5/18/08; 5/30/09; 8/19/09; (7/24/10); (3/14/11; 3/21/11 Asks Questions); 10/17/11; 10/19/11; 1/29/12-1/30/12; 2/17/12; 4/10/12-4/11/12; 5/20/12; 9/15/12; 9/27/12; 11/28/12 (added Wis_4:1-2); 7/22/13-7/23/13 (Independent Salvation); 2/22/14; 8/6/16; 2/13/17 (retitled: Saving Discipleship); 2/21/17 (recompiled Foundations); 3/24/17; other date(s); 2/8/19; 3/15/21; 3/31/21-4/1/21


Compare: Salvation Basics



        DTA Discipleship Training Apprenticeship comes from the Biblical word for discipleship: μαθητὴς.

        You have to be a Biblical disciple to inherit heaven: Luk_14:25-35.

        Biblical discipleship starts with baptism

        You Have to Have a Matthew 28 (ObeyAll) Romans 6 (NoSin) Baptism to Inherit Heaven.

        Biblical discipleship means Obeying all the Bible and Stopping All Sin.
see: Salvation Basics

        If you are still sinning and not obeying All the Bible then your baptism was useless and you have not been discipled or saved.

        TrueConnection.orgs DTA is the only known Biblical Discipleship Program still existing today so far (let us know if you find others!).

        Do you want to sign up for our DTA?
Email: Secretary@TrueConnection.org

        (Keep reading if you want to know a little bit about what Biblical discipleship is all about...)


These are unfinished notes for our community.

Like usual, in cases like this, you should contact us so that we can teach you all of these exciting and helpful things.



>> TODO/ Additions!

Mediators vs. Priests

>> PeopleCanSavePeople

Independent Salvation

The Value of the Individual


Forsake All

Distinctions Between God and Man

Waiting for Believers to Believe


Great Commission



Assuming Non-Inspiration

Believe in God on Earth

Divine Mistakes




Intro. 1

Preface. 2

1. Defining Discipleship. 2

Language (Etymology) What is a Disciple?. 2

Functional Definitions of Discipleship. 3

Discipleship Digs Deep. 4

Disciples Are Eager for Discipleship. 5

2. The Proof of Discipleship. 6

Are you Truly Following Jesus?. 7

Discipleship Scarcity. 8

A Problem.. 8

How Do You Know When Youre REAL?. 9

Are You Paying the Price of Discipleship?. 9

Are You Disciplined and Committed to Discipleship?. 10

Personal Proofs of Discipleship. 11

Disciples Discontinue Depravity. 11

The Hard-Core Way. 12

3. Imitation Where We Finally Find Out if You Are a Real Disciple! 12

Intro Basics The Solid Proclamation of Imitation. 12

My Gospel; Our Gospel 14

The Gospel I Preach. 14

Imitate me and Peace Will be with You. 15

Humility Produces Real Discipleship that Actually Imitates! 15

Mediators vs. Priests. 16

Saul Proves that Your Personal Relationship Sends you to Hell 16

4. The Hope & Reward of Discipleship. 20

Confronting The Heresy Of No New Revelation. 21

Salvation. 21

Salvation Defined. 21

Terms of Salvation. 22

Two Aspects. 22

What is Eternal Life. 22

Common Belief / Superstition Does not Save. 22

Great Commission. 22

Summary Preview of Commissions. 23

The Pre-commissions The 12 Sent Out 23

The Pre-commissions The 70 Sent Out 23

(B) The Great Commission. 23

(C) The Pre-commissions Compared with the Great Commission. 23

You are Imagining Yourself on the Wrong Side. 24

Commission Initiated. 24

The Commission Rebooted Today! 24

Forsake All 24

How to Successfully Call up on Jesus' Name. 28

We do not Preach Ourselves. 29


Especially See:

Preface | Language What is a Disciple | Functional Definitions of Discipleship | Mat 7 | Luk_14:25 | Mat_10:32-39


The MP3 of this teaching should be available at:


(The MP3 is only a brief overview of all the details that you can see here below)



If you are an American christian beware! The path that Jesus trod and set for us and our salvation is one of discipleship rather than the theoretical and shallow commitment of converts that we see in most churches in Westernized culture. If we dont follow this extreme and unpopular path that Jesus called being His apprentice learner (or disciple), we only have the Broadway to Hell and destruction as our alternative!

Avail yourself to know and understand this eternal distinction called Discipleship.


Intro Requirements For Discipleship from The Righteous


Faith -- believe in Prophet

forsake all (Stuff & Sin)

>> combine w other Forsake All sections



Shocking Truth You Need to Learn

Repenting of your god and obeying someone elses God is the only way you can go to heaven. 9/25/13

>> get other quotes from insp




1. Defining Discipleship

Below: A. Language What is a Disciple | B. Functional Definitions of Discipleship


Language (Etymology) What is a Disciple?


(1) The Hebrew ָלַמד (lāmaḏ) is literally to goad, that is, (by implication) to teach (the rod being an Oriental incentive) (Strongs on H3925), or (depending on grammar) to learn. Lāmaḏ (H3925) naturally produces ִלמּוּד (limmḏ), (H3928) which is basically someone who is taught.*


[* Technical Grammar Note: the first word is an action verb and the second is a descriptive adjective but isnt it like noun (thing/person)?]


...the acquisition of instruction... (The Complete Word Study Dictionary on H3925)

[Disclaimer Note: The Complete Word Study Dictionary is a heretical resource. I am only referencing it for this limited purpose.]

[Technical Grammar: to teach would be the active voice while ...the acquisition of instruction... wouldnt this be the middle voice?]


(2) The Greek μανθάνω (manthanō), (G3129) very simply means to learn, and this produces μαθητής (mathētḗs), (G3101) a learner. But to be a learner in ancient cultures usually implied the seriousness of an apprentice learner.


[Strongs: G3129: to learn (in any way); G3101: a learner, that is, pupil ]


(3) The English word disciple ends up coming to English by way of the Latin discipulus meaning a learner.



(4) The Bible is very clear that becoming an apprentice learner (that is, discipleship) is the only way to heaven, and it is not some advanced form of christianity, but that it is indeed, the one and only form of ancient, original, historical, True, Biblical Christianity:



Mat_28:19-20; Mar_16:20 go make disciples/ go apprentice people as learners (etc.)/ He that believes and is baptized shall be saved (Mar_16:16 CAB)

Act_11:26 ...And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. (CAB)


It is clear that there is no difference from a real Biblical Christian and a disciple. We ought to reject the common heresy of easy-believeism which insults the entire body of Truth by implying that christians need not necessarily be full-fledged disciples in order to go to heaven, as though a person could be saved from eternal hell without truly and completely forsaking everything to follow Jesus and becoming His extreme and devoted learner through those He sent them (see Matthew and Mark referenced previously).


(5) For a Summary we could almost say that a disciple simply means a student, but this means so much more than something as shallow as intellectual instruction as we are prone to think of it. To those in the Bible, truly learning is more like apprenticeship, and this is why we use the word disciple, avoiding the shallow assumptions Westernized thinkers often connect to learning. This Divine apprenticeship is the only way to follow Jesus and be saved from sin and hell unto eternal glory with Him forever.


Functional Definitions of Discipleship



        Is training in righteousness by a real man or woman of God to fully obey and follow Jesus.

        Is a mentoring process to become a man or woman of God.

        Means being committed to this process of mentoring and training.

        Is harder than you ever expected, and infinitely more rewarding than you ever dreamed.

        Filters and separates the modern christian from someone who is REALLY following Jesus.

        Weeds out the fake and shallow, from the truly committed.


        When someone is ready to commit to discipleship, thats when you know theyre really ready to commit to following Jesus.

- Do these things describe you?

        Making disciples is sealing the deal to call people to absolute and total commitment to live according to the eternal mandates of the Bible.

        Saying, I dont need training is saying, I dont need Jesus way of getting to God You are rejecting Jesus only provision for salvation because Hes the One that ordained discipleship: Mat_28:18-20 (Make disciples) Luk_10:16; Mat_10:40; Joh_13:20 (Whoever listens to you, listens to me).

        Humanism says, I worship God in my own way and I dont need anyone to help me know God I trust my own heart to guide me to him.


Are you a follower of Jesus and the Bible (including those He sent you) or are you an independent follower of Humanism?


Pro_14:12 CAB There is a way which seems to be right with men, but the ends of it reach to the depths of hell.


We think we came up with this independent idea ourselves, but actually were our cultures disciples when we think like this.


MT Refs:

Pro_28:26 KJ2000 He that trusts in his own heart is a fool: but whosoever walks wisely, he shall be delivered.


Jer_17:9 KJV The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


Pro_14:12 WEB There is a way which seems right to a man, But in the end it leads to death.


Also see: Psa_51:5 (naturally corrupt); Ecc_9:3 (full of evil); Mar_7:21-23 (you sin because theres sin in your heart)


        According to the Bible, we stand in desperate need of Jesus discipleship, and He has ordained that this training be done through submitting to other people that He has put in a persons life as ambassadors of His proclamation (such as, Apostles, Overseers, Leaders, Mentors, etc.).

        Truly, we ALL stand in desperate need the question is: are we going to walk in foolish self-confidence relying on ourselves, or are we going to acknowledge our need and embrace discipleship?


A Disciple Asks Questions

>> combine with Questions below!

- A disciples is a learner


General Thoughts

- This is always followed by a hunger for truth, and - interestingly enough this always plays out in eager, faith demanding questions


- So many people want to think what they want to think, but Jesus' learners have renounced this insubordination to obey absolute truth


- If you need training, it is your responsibility to 'cry out for it' (compare Pro)


- If you disagree with or do not understand the direction of things, it is your responsibility to be a learner and find out what is the truth behind the matter


Fleshly Contentment to not do more Justice

- So many people dangerously want to think various ways but then do not make hearing truth a priority (do not forsake... but provoke so no hardness)


- If you are being tempted to think what you want to think, if you are going to be in league with Jesus, it is your duty and crying need to chase after truth and help


Discipleship Digs Deep


Jer_13:23 CAB If the Ethiopian H3569/ G128 shall change his skin, or the leopardess her spots, then shall you be able to do good, having learned H3928/ G3129 [MT: למדי (limmûd); LXX: μεμαθηκότες (memathēkotes) that is, having been discipled/ trained] to do evil.


[Ethiopian (H3569/ G128) Hebrew (H3569) כושׁי (kûshîy*) i.e. A Cushite/ a descendant of Cush, son of Ham (Gen_10:6); Greek (G128) Αθοψ** (Aithiops) literally means someone with a burnt (αθ) face (οψ) speaking of the adjusted skin color of their face (same as in Num_12 and Act_8:27); From all of this we eventually get Ethiopian; i.e. the African descendants of Cush]


Jer_13:23 KJ2000 Can the EthiopianH3569/ G128 change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomedH3928/ G3129 to doing evil.


        The leopardess is obviously not sinning by having her spots, just like the African is not tainted by the uniqueness of the color of his face, but from these analogies we see the deep set nature that describes discipleship.

        When youve TRULY been discipled it becomes cemented in you as a solid part of your nature!

        When youve TRULY been discipled it becomes as pronounced as the skin on your face!

        Mat_7:16-23 You will know them by their fruits

        Is discipleship where you are going? Or are you drifting spiritually? (Youre not going to get godly by accident.)

         Ultimately, whoever you are learning from and imitating, you are being discipled by these same people.


Also Compare:

The Disciples of John: Mat_11:2; Mar_2:18; Luk_5:33; Luk_7:18; Joh_3:25

Said to be of Moses: Joh_9:28

The disciples of the Pharisees: Mar_2:18



From the Hebrew Old Testament (the original language), and the Greek Old Testament (The LXX translated ~200BC and quoted throughout the New Testament)


Disciples Are Eager for Discipleship



If you are a disciple and dont understand, then you will ask questions as they did: Mat_13:10; Mat_13:36; Mat_15:12; Mat_24:1; Mat_24:3; Mat_26:17


It is Not Forced Externally


Act_2:41-42 KJV Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.


Ruths Example

Rth 1:15 WEB She said, Behold, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people, and to her god: return after your sister-in-law.

Rth 1:15 KJV+ And she said,H559Behold,H2009thy sister in lawH2994is gone backH7725untoH413her people,H5971and untoH413her gods:H430returnH7725thou afterH310thy sister in law.H2994

Rth 1:15 LB And Naomi said to Ruth, Behold, your sister-in-law has returned to her people and to her gods; turn now also after your sister-in-law.

Rth 1:15 καὶ εἶπεν Νωεμιν πρὸς Ρουθ Ἰδοὺ ἀνέστρεψεν ἡ σύννυμφός σου πρὸς λαὸν αὐτῆς καὶ πρὸς τοὺς θεοὺς αὐτῆς· ἐπιστράφητι δὴ καὶ σὺ ὀπίσω τῆς συννύμφου σου.

Rth 1:16 WEB Ruth said, "Don't entreat me to leave you, and to return from following after you, for where you go, I will go; and where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God;

Rth 1:16 KJV+ And RuthH7327said,H559IntreatH6293me notH408to leaveH5800thee, or to returnH7725from following afterH4480 H310thee: forH3588whitherH413 H834thou goest,H1980I will go;H1980and whereH834thou lodgest,H3885I will lodge:H3885thy peopleH5971shall be my people,H5971and thy GodH430my God:H430

Rth 1:16 LB And Ruth said, Do not urge me to leave you, or to return from following you; for wherever you go, I will go, and wherever you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God.

Rth 1:16 εἶπεν δὲ Ρουθ Μὴ ἀπαντήσαι ἐμοὶ τοῦ καταλιπεῖν σε ἢ ἀποστρέψαι ὄπισθέν σου· ὅτι σὺ ὅπου ἐὰν πορευθῇς, πορεύσομαι, καὶ οὗ ἐὰν αὐλισθῇς, αὐλισθήσομαι· ὁ λαός σου λαός μου, καὶ ὁ θεός σου θεός μου·

>> Sync: Dis | Lux


Rth_1:15-16 WEB She said, Behold, your sister-in-law is gone back to her people, and to her god: return you after your sister-in-law. 16 Ruth said, "Don't entreat me to leave you, and to return from following after you, for where you go, I will go; and where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God;


We can see the desperation and determined eagerness of Ruth in this example. Are you like this? Do you see truth from men or women of God like this? If you do not know any real men or women of God (which is almost always the case in this age) are you desperately seeking them out and crying out to God to send you help so you can make it, or are you doing just fine sitting by yourself on your own spiritual island? Answering this question determines if you are like the blessed Ruth or if you are walking in the shameful way of the cursed children of rebellion, self-sufficiency, and competence.


This is what real salvation looks like:


Zec_8:23 CAB We will go with you; for we have heard that God is with you.


Elijah and Elisha

2Ki_2:1-15 CAB And it came to pass, when the Lord was about to take Elijah with a whirlwind into heaven, that Elijah and Elisha went out of Gilgal. 2 And Elijah said to Elisha, Stay here, please; for God has sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said, As the Lord lives and your soul lives, I will not leave you; so they came to Bethel. 3 And the sons of the prophets who were in Bethel came to Elisha, and said to him, Do you know that the Lord this day is going to take away your master from over you? And he said, Yes, I know it; be silent. 4 And Elijah said to Elisha, Stay here, please; for the Lord has sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the Lord lives and as your soul lives, I will not leave you. And they came to Jericho. 5 And the sons of the prophets who were in Jericho drew near to Elisha, and said to him, Do you know that the Lord this day is going to take away your master from over you? And he said, Yes, I know it; hold your peace. 6 And Elijah said to him, Stay here please, for the Lord has sent me to the Jordan. And Elisha said, As the Lord lives and as your soul lives, I will not leave you. And they both went on. 7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went also, and they stood opposite afar off; and both stood on the bank of the Jordan. 8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and struck the water, and the water was divided on this side and on that side, and they both went over on dry ground. 9 And it came to pass while they were crossing over, that Elijah said to Elisha, Ask what I shall do for you before I am taken up from you. And Elisha said, Let there be a double portion of your spirit upon me. 10 And Elijah said, You have asked a hard thing: if you shall see me when I am taken up from you, then shall it be so to you; and if not, it shall not be so. 11 And it came to pass as they were going, they went on talking; and behold, a chariot of fire appeared, with horses of fire, and it separated the two of them; and Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw, and cried, Father, father, the chariot of Israel, and its horseman! [i.e. Elisha laments the fact that God is removing Elijah from Israel] And he saw him no more. And he took hold of his garments, and tore them into two pieces. 13 And he took up the mantle of Elijah, which fell from off him upon Elisha; and Elisha returned, and stood upon the brink of the Jordan; 14 and he took the mantle of Elijah, which fell from off him, and struck the water, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? And he struck the waters, and they were divided this way and that; and Elisha went over. 15 And the sons of the prophets who were in Jericho on the opposite side saw him, and said, The spirit of Elijah has rested upon Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed down before him to the ground.


Do you see the desperate, determined, eager posture of Elisha toward Elijah to get the same spiritual greatness he had from God? Does this describe your attitude toward discipleship? Are you a real, Biblical follower of Jesus? Do you need the greatness Elijah has, or are you cursing yourself on your own path of worthlessness, dull-heartedness, and self-sufficiency?


2. The Proof of Discipleship


Are you Truly Following Jesus?


Joh_6:45 WEB It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned [μαθωνG3129 i.e. been discipled], comes to me.


(Also in Mat_11:27-30 come to me learn from me)


If you hear God in your own prayer closet, then you will come to those God has sent on earth.


>> From NJ Message

Mr. Too Quick

Mat_8:19-20 WEB A scribe came, and said to him, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go." 20 Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head."


Mr. Too Slow

Mat_8:21-23 Another of his disciples said to him, "Lord, allow me first to go and bury my father." 22 But Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead." 23 When he got into a boat, his disciples followed him.


Are you forsaking everything and following Him, or stalling in your own path and plans for life?


The Rich Young Ruler

Mat_19:16-30; Mar_10:17-31; Luk_18:18-30

Mar_10:17a WEB As he was going out into the way

Luk_18:18 WEB A certain ruler

Mar_10:17b ran to him, knelt before him, and said

Mat_19:16 WEB "Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mar_10:17c that I may inherit eternal life?"


Jesus lays the Law on him: Mat_19:17-20; Mar_10:18-20; Luk_18:19-21


Mat_19:20 WEB The young man said to him, "All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack? [i.e. that I may inherit eternal life]

Mar_10:21 WEB Jesus looking at him loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack

Luk_18:22 WEB "You still lack one thing

Mat_19:21 KJV If you want to be complete [τέλειος5046]

Mar_10:21 WEB Go, sell whatever you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me, taking up the cross."

Mat_19:22 KJV But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Luk_18:24 KJV And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful


Mar_10:23-27 WEB Jesus looked around, and said to his disciples*, "How difficult it is for those who have riches to enter into the Kingdom of God!" 24 The disciples* were amazed at his words. But Jesus answered again, "Children, how hard is it for those who trust in riches to enter into the Kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God." 26 They were exceedingly astonished, saying to him, "Then who can be saved?" 27 Jesus, looking at them, said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God, for all things are possible with God.


* Note: his disciples did not include The Rich Young Ruler who had walked away, nor will it include you if you do not forsake everything to follow Him (Luk_14:25-35).


Exclusivity -- Only 2 directions!


Joh_14:6-7 WEB Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also


Joh_6:66-69 WEB At this, many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Jesus said therefore to the twelve, "You don't also want to go away, do you?" 68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God."


Discipleship still works just like this, even unto this very day! Jesus really is our true and faithful example of training people as apprentices. So do you want to leave also, or do you need discipleship more than your very life?


Also See These Examples of Jesus Disciples Following Him:

Mat_5:1; Mat_9:14; Mat_13:10; Mat_13:36; Mat_14:15; Mat_15:12; Mat_24:1; Mat_24:3; Mat_26:17; Mar_6:35; Luk_6:17; Luk_22:39;


From all of these examples, Notice that

        Real Disciples always FOLLOW Jesus

        There are Only Two Directions you can go If youre not following Him, where are you going?

        Discipleship is the only way to follow Jesus to heaven, and it is clear that your own way leads straight to eternal hell.


Discipleship Scarcity


Only A FEW Are Saved

Mat_7:13-27 Many in the wide gate saying lord, lord, FEW in the Narrow Gate, hearing and doing!

Luk_13:23-24 "Lord, are they few who are saved?" -- Yes


These passages are thoroughly translated and addressed in Letteral Obedience.


1Pe_4:17 CAB For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God?