Judging The Church

& Separating From (The Rest Of) The World

& Separating From All Sin

Judging & Separation

Separation From The World & Judging The Church

& Separating From The Rest of the World

The Bible Passages that Practically No One Obeys Anymore About Judging those in the church

 

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

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>> Additions/ TODO!

>> Don’t Turn Away from Own Flesh

Looking For Good -- How Eager to Be Up Front

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Contents

Explanation and Introduction. 1

1. Don’t Associate with Unrepentant church People. 2

2Th 3 – Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians. 2

1Co 5-6 – Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan. 2

1Ti 6 – Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence. 3

2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly! 3

Tit 3 – Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man. 3

Gal 1; 2Co 11 – Another Gospel 4

Rom 16 – Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching. 4

2Jn 1 – Don’t Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness. 4

3. Don’t Give into the Manipulation of Heretics. 4

2Co_11:20-21 – Don't “Turn the other Cheek” to Manipulative church People. 5

Judge those who Claim to be Apostles. 5

4. What Should a Real Disciple do?. 5

Psalms and More – A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing. 5

Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church. 5

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if You’re Right with God! 6

If There is Persecution. 7

5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?. 8

Mat 12 – Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost) 8

Psa 101 – Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People. 8

2Co 6 – Come Out from Among Them.. 8

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 – Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent 8

6. Don’t Help Sin. 8

Considerations. 9

Come Out From The Midst Of Them.. 9

 

 

Explanation and Introduction

Have you ever wondered why the Modern church is dead and why spiritual cancer seems to spread so freely like wildfire? Here are the Bible verses that practically no one wants you to believe about judging those in the church, especially those who live in sin and call themselves Christians.

 

If you have other Scriptures that you would like to suggest adding to this study please email Josiahs@TrueConnection.org

 


 

1. Don’t Associate with Unrepentant church People

 

2Th 3 – Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians

2Th_3:4 KJV  We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you both do and will do the things we command…

 

2Th_3:6-7 KJV  Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.  7  For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

 

 2Th_3:13-15 KJV  But ye, brethren, be not weary [ἐκκακήσητε – lit. (fall) out (into) evil-nasty-bad-ness; i.e. do not go out of your current state into bad-feeling-ness (as if sick or exhausted) so that you let off] in well doing.  14  And if any man obey not [οὐχ ὑπακούει – lit. does not (submissively) listen under (unto obeying)] our word [τῷ λόγῳ ἡμῶν] by this epistle, note [σημειοῦσθε – lit. put a sign/ “mark” (on)] that man, and *have no company with [* μὴ συναναμίγνυσθαι – lit. no together-up/again-mixing, or, do not up-again-(i.e. repeatedly/ thoroughly/ intensely)-mix-together (with)] him, that *he may be ashamed [* ἐντραπῇ – lit. in-turned; i.e. inverted, or fig. humbled down – so that he is put down on the ground from his lofty/ “proud” stance].  15  Yet [καὶ – and] count [ἡγεῖσθε – lead yourself (to act with)] him not as an enemy, but admonish* [νουθετεῖτε (G3560) – lit. mind-ify (him); i.e. (make him) mindful/ “put him in mind”] him as a brother.

 

* That is, “νου-” (nou-) from “νοῦς” (noús; G3563) – meaning mind, combined with “τίθημι” (títhēmi; G5087), to place.

Strong’s says:

G3560 νουθετέω noutheteō noo-thet-eh'-o

From the same as G3559; to put in mind, that is, (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish, warn.

 

1Co 5-6 – Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan

It is good if you can read all of 1Corinthians 5 through 6:10 to get a complete understanding on judging the church. Here are the main parts of this teaching:

 

1Co_5:1-7 CAB   It is actually heard that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife!  2  And you are puffed up, and have not rather grieved, so that he who did this deed would be removed from your midst.  3  For I indeed, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has done this deed in this way,  4  in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,  5  deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus [see: 2Co_2:4-11].  6  Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7  Purge out the old leaven…

 

1Co_5:9-13 I wrote to you in my epistle not to associate with fornicators. 10  Yet I certainly did not mean with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world!  11  But now I write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous person, or an idolater, or abusive person, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a person.  12  For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?  13  But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

 

1Co_6:2-3 CAB  Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?  3  Do you not know that we will judge angels? Let alone ordinary matters!

 

1Co_6:9-10 Jos.Trans. ...don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,G3120 nor homosexuals,G733  10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor criticizers,G3060 nor forceful takers,G727 will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

(compare Mat 7 notes below)

 

Jesus Had this Extreme Attitude

This is an extreme attitude of opposition toward those who claim to be christians and live in sin! In fact, Jesus puts it this way:

 

Mat_10:34-36 WEB  "Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword.   35  For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.   36  A man's foes will be those of his own household.

 

And this extreme “war-like” attitude of opposition to corrupters dates back throughout the Old Testament, as it was given to the Church of their day. It gave charges concerning those who were inside the community who would try to justify being in sin and leading others into it. 

    People are still around today, living in sin and promoting this cancer for others to take in just like those warned against in the Old Testament, and if you ever get close to applying these above verses today, those who live in sin will often say that, “that was the Old Testament, but now we are under grace!” But this argument is only a foolish westernized perversion. And how do we know this for sure? Because in the above Corinthian passage it quotes from this Old Testament attitude when Paul applies it to Christians and charges them to oppose and expel those who try to pollute the New Testament Church:

 

“But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves [as opposed to outsiders] the evil person,” (1Co_5:13 CAB).

 

Deuteronomy is The Basis For 1Co 5-6

This is a direct quote from Deuteronomy showing that Paul specifically charges us to reaffirm this Old Testament attitude into the current practice of judging those in the Church today:

 

Deu_13:1-11 CAB   And if there arise within you a prophet, or one who dreams a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,  2  and the sign or the wonder come to pass which he spoke to you, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you know not;  3  you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of that dream, because the Lord your God is testing you, to see whether you love your God with all your heart and with all your soul.  4  You shall follow the Lord your God, and fear Him, and you shall hear His voice, and attach yourselves to Him.  5  And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you.  6  And if your brother by your father or mother, or your son, or daughter, or your wife in your bosom, or friend who is equal to your own soul, entreat you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known,  7  of the gods of the nations that are round about you, who are near you or at a distance from you, from one end of the earth to the other;  8  you shall not consent to him, neither shall you hearken to him; and your eye shall not spare him, you shall feel no regret for him, neither shall you at all protect him:  9  you shall surely report concerning him, and your hands shall be upon him among the first to slay him, and the hands of all the people at the last.  10  And they shall stone him with stones, and he shall die, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  11  And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not again do according to this evil thing among you.

 

This is repeated:

Deu_17:7 CAB   And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shall you remove the evil one from among yourselves.

 

And it is repeated again and again:

Deu_19:19, Deu_22:21, Deu_22:24, Deu_24:7;

 

Though this harsh teaching is old, it is not obsolete. In fact, this teaching still stands today as a powerful charge of commitment to Love God more than the comfort of men, even if that means confronting sin in them.

    Though we don’t kill people with the death penalty today as they did in their day (being a theocracy on earth that we no longer have) we are commanded to put them out of the church, hand them over to satan, and declare them damned to Hell (“anathema”) as the above Corinthian passage and many others show.

 

1Co_16:22 KJV  If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema…

 

1Ti 6 – Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence

Withdraw From People who Teach Contrary to the Wholesome Words, those of Jesus, and the Doctrine According to Good- Reverence:

 

--------------- from DivRem:

1Ti_6:3-5 CAB  If anyone *teaches differently [* ἑτεροδιδασκαλεῖ – lit. does other teaching] and does not *consent to [* προσέρχεται – lit. come/ “draw” near to] sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine [διδασκαλίᾳ – teaching] which accords with godliness [εὐσέβειαν – lit. good (εὐ) reverence (σέβειαν)/ adoration; see: G2150 > G2152 > G2095 + G4576], 4  he is puffed up, understanding [ἐπιστάμενος – lit. standing upon; fig. establishing the mind on] nothing, but is *morbidly concerned with [* νοσῶν περὶ – lit. sick around/ “concerning”] disputes [ζητήσεις – lit. seekings/ “questions”] and word battles, from [ἐξ – out (of)] which come [γίνεται – becomes/ ‘is begotten’] envy, strife, slanders [βλασφημίαι – blasphemies; lit. damage-speakings; fig. slander-speakings (against God or people)], evil suspicions [1ὑπόνοιαι 2πονηραί – 2evil/ wicked/ “perverted,” 1under-minded-thinking],  5  constant wrangling [διαπαρατριβαὶ] of men of corrupt minds [νοῦν] and having been deprived [ἀπεστερημένων] of the truth, supposing [νομιζόντων] that godliness [εὐσέβειαν – lit. good reverence] is a means of profit. Withdraw from such people.

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2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly!

 

Tit 3 – Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man

Tit_3:9-11 – I translated verse 10 to be as accurate as possible

 

Tit_3:9 CAB  But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies, and strifes and legal fights; for they are unprofitable and futile.

 

Tit_3:10 Jos.Trans A hereticG141 man, after the first and second warningG3559, rejectG3868

 

Tit_3:11 CAB  knowing that such a person has been perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

[compare 1Ti_6:3-5 “wholesome words”]

 

Greek

hereticG141 man – “αἱρετικὸν G141 ἄνθρωπον” (aihretikon anthrōpon): The Greek word heretic here (aihretikon) has to do with “choosing” things that are outside the main body of truth, which is essentially the same as “αἵρεσις” (haíresis), G139 – Heresy; compare Gal_5:20; 2Pe_2:1)

warningG3559 – This Greek word “νουθεσίαν” (nouthesía) is basically the same as “νουθετέω (noutheteō), as quoted previously (G3560).

rejectG3868 - “παραιτοῦ” (paraituo) literally means to “ask aside”; Strong’s says:

G3868 παραιτέομαι paraiteomai par-ahee-teh'-om-ahee

From G3844 and the middle of G154; to beg off, that is, deprecate, decline, shun: - avoid, (make) excuse, intreat, refuse, reject.

Parallel Passage

2Ti_2:14-19 – Oppose Error

2Ti_2:23-24 – No foolishness for The Servant of the Lord

 

Gal 1; 2Co 11 – Another Gospel

Gal_1:8-9 KJV  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (and see 1Co_16:22)

 

2Co_11:2-4 CAB  For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy, for I have betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.  3  But I fear, lest perhaps as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.  4  For if he who comes to you preaches another Jesus whom we did not preach, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you may well put up with him!

 

Rom 16 – Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching

Rom_16:17-20 WEB  Now I beg you, brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrineG1322 which you learned, and turn away from them.  18  For those who are such don't serve our Lord, Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the innocentG172.  19  But I desire to have you wise in that which is good, but innocent G185 [simple (or unmixed)] in that which is evil.  20  And the God of peace will quickly crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

 

Note: I corrected the two words above that are frequently misrepresented as the same word; most versions typically either have them both represented as simple or innocent. We should distinguish them like this since they are two very different words in Greek, as the Strong’s numbers above indicate.

 

2Jn 1 – Don’t Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness

2Jn_1:7-11 WEB  For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist.  8  Watch yourselves, that we don't lose the things which we have accomplished, but that we receive a full reward.  9  Whoever transgresses and doesn't remain in the teachingG1322 of Christ, doesn't have God. He who remains in the teachingG1322, the same has both the Father and the Son.  10  If anyone comes to you, and doesn't bring this teachingG1322, don't receive him into your house, and don't welcomeG5463 him,  11  for he who welcomesG5463 him participates in his evil works.

 

Greek

G1322 - “διδαχή” (didachē): Teaching or Doctrine

G5463 – “χαίρω” (chairō) directly means to favor/ “rejoice”, because in the Biblical mindset, “favoring” is rejoicing. In 2Jn_1:10-11 the word is used twice in the Present Tense and Active Voice [“χαιρειν” (chairein)] – which means that a real Christian is forbidden to wish such a heretic to be favor-rejoicing, which was a common practice of wishing someone well and displaying kindness as a greeting, and this is forbidden for real disciples to wish upon the defiled favor-rejoicing of heretics, because it is overtly evil in promoting sin.

 

 

Heresy is Ultimately Judged as Intentional

~11/1/17; 11/3/17; 3/19/18

Deu_13:5 WEB  That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

Deu_13:5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you.

Deu_13:5  (13:6) καὶ ὁ προφήτης ἐκεῖνος ἢ ὁ τὸ ἐνύπνιον ἐνυπνιαζόμενος ἐκεῖνος ἀποθανεῖται· ἐλάλησεν γὰρ πλανῆσαί σε ἀπὸ κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου τοῦ ἐξαγαγόντος σε ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου τοῦ λυτρωσαμένου σε ἐκ τῆς δουλείας ἐξῶσαί σε ἐκ τῆς ὁδοῦ, ἧς ἐνετείλατό σοι κύριος ὁ θεός σου πορεύεσθαι ἐν αὐτῇ· καὶ ἀφανιεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ ὑμῶν αὐτῶν.

>> Sync: SPI | JCH (Deu_13:5)

 

 

 

3. Don’t Give into the Manipulation of Heretics

Don't let the proud take advantage of you and manipulate you into doing things on their behalf

2Ti_3:5-6 CAB   ...And from these people turn away!  6  For of these are those who creep into houses and captivate gullible women having been loaded down with sins, who are led by various lusts,

Pro_22:24 CAB   Be not companion to a furious man, neither lodge with a passionate [or "furious" (KJV)] man,

(Compare Pro_19:19)

 

If this applies to the outside world, how much more would it apply to a heretic or hypocrite inside the church?

2Co_6:14-18 CAB   Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness?  15  And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel?  16  And what union is there for the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."  17  Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."  18  "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

 

2Co_11:20-21 – Don't “Turn the other Cheek” to Manipulative church People

2Co_11:20-21 CAB   For you put up with it if someone enslaves you, if someone devours you, if someone takes from you, if someone exalts himself, if someone strikes you in the face.  21  To our shame, I say that we were too weak for that!...

Paul rebukes them with a stroke of sarcasm at the end here. Also compare:

Pro_25:26 WEB  Like a muddied spring, and a polluted well, So is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

So don't give way to manipulation, but instead have the REAL Love that God gives, because:

"Love...doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;" (1Co_13:4, 6 WEB).

 

Don’t Play Games Of Making Up Motives for Other people’s Hearts

Despising others With an Evil Eye and Dreaming Up Silly and rediculous Motives for Other People's Hearts without Any Evidence or Basis

This is the crime of the wicked and despising individule who has darkness and bitter gaul in their perverted heart. When you go around making up pretend motive for other people without any basis, then this is a wicked irasioality that glories in evil for the sake of evil. If they actually did it to confront real sin then they would be sound and resonable and wait for a bais before making rediculous assumtions about the hidden motives of other people's hearts.

Add Scrip:

1Co 4 vs. Ch 5

Intruding into things he has not seen

Blastphemer

You take too much on yourself... Who do you make yourself out to be?

 

Judge those who Claim to be Apostles

Rev_2:2; 1Jo_4:1-6

If they claim to be Apostles and are not, then don’t help them (2Jn_1:9-11)!

This is also seen from the fact that if the church puts someone out, or if you are called to reject them personally, you cannot agree with this judgment while helping that very same person with what they have need of.

 

4. What Should a Real Disciple do?

 

Psalms and More – A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing

Psa_15:1-5 CAB  O Lord, who shall sojourn in Your tabernacle? And who shall dwell in Your holy mountain?  2  He that walks blameless, and works righteousness, who speaks truth in his heart.  3  Who has not spoken craftily with his tongue, neither has done evil to his neighbor, nor taken up a reproach against them that dwell nearest to him.  4  In his sight an evil worker is set at nought*, but he honors them that fear the Lord… 5  …He that does these things shall never be moved.

 

* Greek (LXX) is: “ἐξουδένωταιG1847(exoudenōtai): to make nothing or to despise

Psa_119:115 CAB  Depart from me, You evildoers; for I will search out the commandments of my God.

Psa_6:8 CAB  Depart from me, all you that work iniquity; for the Lord has heard the voice of my weeping.

And this is quoted by Jesus:

Mat_7:23 CAB   "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!'

Psa_26:3-6 CAB  For Your mercy is before my eyes; and I am well pleased with Your truth.  4  I have not sat with the council of vanity, and shall by no means enter in with transgressors.  5  I have hated the assembly of evildoers; and will not sit with the ungodly.  6  I will wash my hands in innocence, and compass Your altar, O Lord;

Jer_15:15-18 CAB  O Lord, remember me, and visit me, and vindicate me before them that persecute me. Do not bear long with them; know how I have met with reproach for Your sake, from those who nullify Your words.  16  Consume them, and Your word shall be to me for the joy and gladness of my heart. For Your name has been called upon me, O Lord Almighty.  17  I have not sat in the assembly of them as they mocked, but I feared because of Your power. I sat alone, for I was filled with bitterness.  18  Why do they that grieve me prevail against me? My wound is severe; when shall I be healed? It has indeed become to me as deceitful water that has no faithfulness.

Psa_101:1-8 CAB  A Psalm of David. I will sing to You, O Lord, of mercy and judgment; I will sing a psalm,  2  and I will be wise in a blameless way. When will You come to me? I walked in the innocence of my heart, in the midst of my house.  3  I have not set before my eyes any unlawful thing; I have hated transgressors.  4  A perverse heart has not cleaved to me; I have not known an evil man, forasmuch as he turns away from me.  5  Him that secretly speaks against his neighbor, him have I driven from me; he that is proud in look and insatiable in heart — with him I have not eaten.  6  My eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me; he that walked in a perfect way, the same ministered to me.  7  He that is proud dwelled not in the midst of my house; the unjust speaker prospered not in my sight.  8  Early did I slay all the sinners of the land, that I might destroy out of the city of the Lord all that work iniquity.

 

Also see:

Psa_1:1; [Pro_9:6, MT] Pro_13:20; Psa_26:9; Psa_31:6 [compare LXX vs. MT]; Psa_119:63; Psa_139:19; Psa_139:21, Psa_139:22; 2Ki_3:13, 2Ki_3:14; Est_3:2; Isa_32:5-6; Dan_5:17-31; Mat_9:11, Mat_9:12; Mat_25:41; Bad flattering Lawyers: Act_24:2-3, But Paul: Act_24:25; 1Co_5:9-11; 1Co_15:33; 2Co_6:17; Jam_2:1-9

(edited from TSK)

 

Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church

Jud_1:22-23 WEB  On some have compassion, making a distinction,  23  and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

 

Tit_3:10-11 KJVCNT  A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;  11  Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sins, being condemned of himself.

 

Luk_17:1-4 WEB  He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no occasions of stumbling should come, but woe to him through whom they come!   2  It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.   3  Be careful. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him.   4  If he sins against you seven times in the day, and seven times returns, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."

 

Mat_18:15-18 WEB  "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother.   16  But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.   17  If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the assembly. If he refuses to hear the assembly also, let him be to you as a Gentile [i.e. a nation (that means YOU)] or a tax collector.   18  Most assuredly I tell you, whatever things you will bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever things you will release on earth will be released in heaven.  19  Again, assuredly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven.   20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."  21  Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?"  22  Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.

 

Mat_18:35 KJV  And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.  35  So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

 

>> Add: Jesus’ Ethnocentric Statements

- Background: Jews have no dealings with gentiles / those of another nation (Acts)

- salvation is from the Jews (Joh_4)

- children's bread and toss it to their dogs

- as a nation and tax collector

- not until Acts that Peter finds out he can be with physical nations, and that, only after he learned the parable of NOT being with nations so he could judge the church

 

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if You’re Right with God!

Mat_9:13 CAB  But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice…'

 

Seek Peace, Don’t Take to Court

Mat_5:21-26 KJV  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:  22  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.  23  Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;  24  Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.  25  Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.  26  Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

(compare Pro_25:8-11, MT vs. LXX)

 

Don’t Take to Court

Luk_12:57-59 WEB  Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?   58  For when you are going with your adversary before the magistrate, try diligently on the way to be released from him, lest perhaps he drag you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.   59  I tell you, you will by no means get out of there, until you have paid the very last penny."

Compare 1Co_6:1-8: ‘Possibly take before the church if they claim to be a christian, but not before the courts,’ just as it is seen above in Luk_17:1-4 and Mat_18:15-18.

 

If they are a Real Christian

Mat_7:1-5 KJV  Judge not, that ye be not judged.  2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.  3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?  5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

>> Add Rom_ 14-15 – this is similar…. Also Integrate the comments below

 

If they are Not a Real Christian

Mat_7:13-29 CAB   "Enter in through the narrow gate; because wide is the gate, and broad is the way which leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in through it.  14  How narrow the gate, and confined the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it!  15  "But beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  16  You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grape clusters from thorns, or figs from thistles?  17  Thus every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces evil fruit.  18  A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce good fruit.  19  Every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.  20  Consequently, by their fruits you shall know them.  21  "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.  22  Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name we cast out demons, and in Your name we did many mighty works?'  23  "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!'  24  "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and does them, I will compare him to a wise man who built his house upon the rock:  25  and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and fell against that house; and it did not fall, for it had been founded upon the rock.  26  And everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them, will be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand:  27  and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And its fall was great."  28  And so it was, when Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at His teaching,  29  for He taught them as one having authority, and not like the scribes.

>> See: SOM | Testimony

 

Compare this teaching on not judging with:

Mat_7:13-27 - how to judge; and again, compare:

1Co_4:2-5 - How not to judge, with

1Co 5 & 6 - How to judge;

 

And also notice the overall prohibitions in these passages against judging the hidden motives of others, especially of real Christian “brothers,” and notice this same principle in Jas_4:11-12.

 

Jealous for Justice    

Luk_12:13-15 KJV  And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.  14  And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?  15  And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

 

Rom_14:10-14 KJV  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.  11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.  12  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.  13  Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.  14  I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

 

1Jo_5:16-18 KJV  If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.  17  All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.  18  We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

Gal_6:1-5 CAB   Brothers, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness, looking out for yourself lest you also be tempted.  2  Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ.  3  For if anyone thinks that he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.  4  But let each person examine his own work, and then he will have boasting in himself alone, and not in the other.  5  For each one shall bear his own load.

 

Jas_5:19-20 CAB   Brothers, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth, and anyone turns him back,  20  let him know that he who turns a sinner back from the error of his way will save a soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

 

The Servant of the Lord – Confronting Sin when there is still Hope

2Ti_2:24-26 KJV  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,  25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;  26  And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

If There is Persecution

Luk_3:19-20 WEB  but Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias, his brother's wife, and for all the evil things which Herod had done,  20  added this also to them all, that he shut up John in prison.

 

Mar_6:11 CAB   And as many as do not receive you nor hear you, as you leave from there, shake off the dust underneath your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom or for Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"

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Mat_10:23 CAB   But whenever they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly I say to you, by no means will you have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

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Mar_6:12 CAB   And when they went out, they were preaching that people should repent.

 

(This is called the Gospel in Luk_9:6; Also see: Act_13:51)

 

Joh_7:7 CAB   The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify about it, that its works are evil.

 

Joh_3:18-21 CAB   He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  19  And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the light, because their works were evil.  20  For everyone that does evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works be exposed.  21  But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."

 

Mat_10:26-28 CAB   Therefore do not fear them. For nothing is concealed that shall not be unveiled, and secret that shall not be made known.  27  "What I say to you in the dark, say in the light; and what you hear in the ear, proclaim on the housetops.  28  And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both the soul and the body in hell.

 

5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?

 

Mat 12 – Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost)

Mat_12:30 WEB  "He who is not with me is against me, and he who doesn't gather with me, scatters.

 

Psa 101 – Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People

Psa_101:2-4 KJ2000  I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when will you come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.  3  I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.  4  A perverse heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.

 

2Co 6 – Come Out from Among Them

2Co_6:17-18 WEB  Therefore, "'Come out from among them, And be separate,' says the Lord, 'Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you.  18  I will be to you a Father. You will be to me sons and daughters,' says the Lord Almighty."

 

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 – Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent

Luk_10:16 CAB He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me."

1Jn_4:6 CAB We are of God. He that knows God hears us; he that is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

 

See Bible study on Repenting:

http://www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/Repent/Repentance.html

 

 

6. Don’t Help Sin

5/8/08; 3/19/10; 6/26/10; 3/25/11; 11/1/11; 2/8/17 (recompiled, enhanced)

> Note: This Bible study is e-Sword Compatible

 

Here is where we talk more and more about separating from the rest of the world (not just the church).

These principles apply not only to the church but to all people who sin.

 

1Ti_5:22 WEB  Lay hands hastily on no one, neither be a participant in other men's sins. Keep yourself pure.

 

Dan_1:8 - "Daniel purposed...not [to] defile himself"...so how should we handle others? (Compare 1Ti_5:22 above).

 

Eph_5:11 WEB  Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.

 

- How can you "reprove them" if you are knowingly helping them happen?

 

More on "don't participate in other’s sins": 2Jo_1:11; Rev_18:4

 

Isa_41:6-7 - Don't help with Idolatry

 

Jer_23:14 KJV  they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

 

Eze_13:22-23 WEB  Because with lies you have… strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, and be saved alive:

 

Could this isolate you from society, your church, or even your own family? In light of all this, it is easy to see why Jesus said these things:

 

Mat_10:16-23 KJ2000  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.  17  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;  18  And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles… 22  And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake… 23  But when they persecute you in this city, flee into another… 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.  35  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.  36  And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.  37  He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.  38  And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.  39  He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.

 

Considerations

- Why should we “beware of men” if they are no challenge to our own pursuit of God?

- Why does Jesus’ expectation anticipate that A LOT of people are going to be offended at those who follow Him?

- Where is our persecution?

- Are we “going with the flow” to some degree to keep a “peace,” that Jesus did not come to bring?

 

Luk 6:22 KJ2000  Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

 

- How does this happen if we are agreeable to most men’s ways?

 

1Co_10:24-33 – Food Sacrificed to Idols

 

This entire principal of not helping sin is powerfully displayed in avoiding food sacrificed to idols... can you imagine saying, “No, I cannot eat your food that you prepared for me because you told me it would help you participate in your sin of idolatry.”?

    This shows the principal of “awareness” as being the basis of your liability for going along with and helping in other people’s sins.

 

Isa_26:8 b - 'your name & renown, are the desire of our soul'... So how can I possibly help promote anything to the contrary?

 

If we can relate to not promoting propaganda for Hitler if we were in Nazi Germany, why is it we cannot relate to not promoting material that dishonors God? Why is it that our heart would naturally cringe away from things that would promote the death of other human beings, but we can’t relate to naturally detesting the idea of helping pass out things that dishonor God? Is His name and renown the desire of our soul?

If someone were promoting literature falsely defaming your own mother, you would not even think of helping one step of the way. If someone asked, “Could you hand me that ‘Anti-mom’ flyer there?” You would resolutely say “No!” Is it right that we give more honor to our mothers than to God? It is true that our mothers bore us, but God created us. Yes they are our authority, but God is our Lord and King:

 

Act 5:29 KJV  We ought to obey God rather than men.

 

Compare:

Rom_14:22 - 'blessed is he who does not condemn himself by what he approves'

 

Come Out From The Midst Of Them

2Co_6:12-18 CAB 12 …you are restricted by your own affections  14  Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness?  15  And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? [that is, the devil] Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? [that is, “ἄπιστος” (apistos) - an unbeliever]  16  And what union is there for the temple of God with idols?... 17  Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you."  18  "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

 

(Also: Isa_52:11/ Eze_20:34, Eze_20:41)

 

It is time to be like Job…

 

Job_1:1 WEB  There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job. That man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

>> Sync: JCH | WoW

 

Whether it is the hypocritical dirtiness of the church, or the more overt sin of the rest of the world, it is high time to Come Out From The Midst Of Them.

 

 

 

 

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Limited Responsibility When There is Sin against My Council

haFri May 3 at 9:52pm

@Hd my sister (who was kicked out) is asking me for money to borrow $200 to pay her rent. I mentioned to her that i think she should come home since she cant afford her apartment. She said to me she thought about that but in order to break her lease she would have to pay $1600 to leave it and her roommate threatened to take her to court if she didnt pay that fee if she broke the lease. She is in between jobs right now being registered to start a new one in a few weeks. Is it bad to hire her to work for me for a few days?

 

@team if anyone can help me this would be appreciated. I am supposed to go to work tomorrow and this scenario is really making my night challenging....

 

HdFri May 3 at 10:11pm

@H2: yes, I don't think I would get involved in that situation. If someone was not eager enough to reach out to you before they were in this situation then it is not likely at all that there's any reason for you to be involved in the strain of someone's sin wages...

 

 

HdFri May 3 at 10:15pm

 

@H2: I am not sure the best way to express it but if I could say it bluntly I might say, it is not at all appropriate for me to help uphold someone's life style when they are going against my counsel...

 

As far as I understand it's so far this is not a situation where someone made a bad decision and now they regret it and are reasonable enough to go along with the council of healthiness... They are evidently still living in the same error and insubordination that got them in this predicament in the first place

 

haFri May 3 at 10:21pm

Yes thany you so much wise Sir

 

HdFri May 3 at 10:23pm

@H2: :+)

 

@H2: I become responsible for someone when they take on the yoke of my Superior council. but when the inhumane madness of someone's folly brings disaster upon them then their disaster glorifies my council that it was true, and this is the case on up until the point when they finally come to their senses and are being willing enough to repent... (At least in the very minimum to a socially reasonable level)

 

HdFri May 3 at 10:29pm

And while I myself certainly do not wish disaster on anyone, yet I must leave space for the Divine council of wisdom to be glorified whenever possible

 

haFri May 3 at 10:36pm

Yes a very challenging thing to do..... Thanks for making things very clear great shining Sir.

 

AlFri May 3 at 11:00pm

Yes he's so wise and dreamy

 

HdFri May 3 at 11:01pm

(@H2: it is generically lawful for her to sell something of hers to you, such as sacrificing her car or something, in order to buy her way out of her sin taxations, but this might be one of the only ways you could more safely interact with the situation. If it is not her sacrifice buying her way out of trouble, then stay clear of the mess)

 

HdFri May 3 at 11:02pm

(and I wouldn't think you should even bring something up like that unless she is really eager to make a difference her situation)

 

HdFri May 3 at 11:07pm

This is the prestigious glory of wisdom when she is triumphant and glorified even in those who do not obey her

 

HdFri May 3 at 11:07pm

(that was sent earlier, but just posted)

 

haSat May 4 at 7:10am

I hope i made wisdom happy

 

AlSat May 4 at 9:13am

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@hd Good Morning wise man = -)

 

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Don’t Get Traumatized so as to Not Judge the Church

2/15/19

 

Job: his children are for slaughter

 

1Co_4: we are the of scoring of the world

 

1Co_5: put such a one out of your company

 

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Ay: Pagan Feast Socialites

12/9/18

>> JCH > Separation from World

 

At what point do you get up and leave?

 

Don’t sit in the seat of scoffers / in the assembly of evil doers

 

Luk_10:8, 1Co_10:27

 

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Purification by Truth

11/7/18

 

Whittling down the crowds…

- Gideon (>> where have I quoted this?)

- Jesus: Hat father mother…

- Jesus: eat flesh drink blood

 

 

 

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Automatic Social Responsibility

Other date(s); 3/19/18

 

By default, unless indicated otherwise, Males are automatically socially responsible for what their city does...

Deu_20:13-18

-- TSK

 

comp. w Abbigale

 

annihilate people (but not the things)?

vs.

Anathema -- completely destroy everything with burning

Deu_20:16

how does this correlate with the different levels of JCH?

for example, in the worse Judging, you arte to "hate even the garment stained by the flesh" -- i.e. with a full anathema, you don't take anything that belongs to them.

 

 

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put away pointing fingers

 

Communion - cease-and-desist letter

11/17/17 (Josiahs dreamed about this letter)

 

From Josiahs and the rest of the disciples and leaders to all of the other churches of the world.

 

Based on the authority of Bible obedience, you and your church are now being formally ordered and charged to immediately cease-and-desist from taking any form of communion (Eucharist / the Lord's Supper / etc.) forever, Until it may be determined and confirmed by us in writing that you have entered into communion with us and with the Truth.

 

The essential prerequisite for having True communion with us is properly and fully receiving us as we are in truth with all sanity and faith and faithfulness and reasonableness and rationally thinking soundness and consistency according to the way that God has spoken about us and treated us and considered us and approved of us and commissioned us from heaven.

 

Scrip:

here and do

 

Paul: I want to preach the gospel to you at Rome

 

so-and-so doesn't receive us...

 

you have reigned as kings without us

 

 

if indeed your church repents of Pride and fleshly arrogance and foolish confidence and rebellious strength and forsakes all her evil Deeds, and independent religious practices (which are done without us and without our approval), then 'we are eager to preach the good announcement also to you who are in this city' and to reconcile you to us and to the God of Bible obedience.

 

if you do not obey our word by this letter, then we will formally excommunicate you and hand you and your church over to Satan, including both your leadership and all official members. you will have no right to take communion or anything that looks like communion.

 

{nor will you be at all permitted to slightly imply that you have any association with the Bible or with any of the rest of our writings or heritage, or that you have any association or partnership or Covenant or good standing with the real, historical, Jesus found in the Bible.

(any public Bible reading will be strictly limited to 'searching the scriptures to see if these things be so'.)}

 

by taking communion

{or implying any association or favor or good standing with Jesus}

 

have done much worse than simply putting the cart before the horse. you have actually infringed on precious and valuable content that does not belong to you.

 

The practices of communion {as well as the Proclamation/preaching of the Scriptures} are not public domain / open source or otherwise publicly owned or freely usable by the human community, but they are registered intellectual, moral, and spiritual property of our God and our heritage, and are exclusively licensed for use by us and those who are in full communion with us.

any other use is unlawful infringement, and because of this, you and your church are being issued this order to cease and desist.

 

the scope and essence of this letter and it's substance are not subject to or relevant with any human Court or authority or jurisdiction at all whatsoever. this letter is purely spiritual, and enforceable by Divine judgement and Universal excommunication from all of those who love the Truth.

 

if you do not repent and stop playing foolish and religious games, and acknowledge and repent of your hypocrisy and blindness and ignorance, and make arrangements for you and all of your church to hear the real good announcement from us at length, then this cease-and-desist letter will be a binding debt upon you, and you will be guilty of insubordination / Rebellion, defamation of character / slander, copyright infringement, theft of intellectual moral spiritual property. you will be subject to excommunication by the innocent who are poor in spirit, along with all Associated hazards, dangers, demonizations (remembering what eventually happened to Judas Iscariot), and you will be cut off from the Truth and all of those who love the Truth, and the blood of Jesus will have no effect at all to save you, especially beyond this life, and you will be subject to isolation from the truth and to bitter judgments and deceptions eventually resulting in the fire of hell.

 

Scrip:

Isaiah : away with your Feasts they are an Abomination to me, who has required this from your hand to trample my courts?

to take my words upon you?

>tsk

 

 

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You Can’t Straddle the Fence Forever

1/16/18

Tags: strattle stratle

 

V and Man conversation:

 

Either intentionally forsake the wicked, or you will unintentionally sin against the righteous.

 

>> Bapstist Pastor in Trenton

>> Mike Gorrie (2006 vs. 2009)

 

 

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Commanded Judgment Is God's Judgment

>> LO?????

>> where are the verses for this???

>> is this in discipleship as well as judging Church?

...

10/8/17

church discipline is not about personal feelings of horizontal forgiveness...

2co: I did not do it for the sake of him who was wronged...

 

Mat18: vertical forgiveness is conditional...

social accountability is based on conditional repentance, which itself is based on required fruits fitting repentance....

 

 

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11/6/17

 

Deu_19:19 WEB  then you shall do to him as he had thought to do to his brother: so you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

Deu_19:19 LB  then shall you do to him as he wickedly devised to do against his brother, and you shall remove the evil from yourselves.

Deu_19:19  καὶ ποιήσετε αὐτῷ ὃν τρόπον ἐπονηρεύσατο ποιῆσαι κατὰ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐξαρεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ ὑμῶν αὐτῶν.

Deu_19:20 WEB  Those who remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil in the midst of you.

Deu_19:20 And the rest shall hear and fear, and do no more according to this evil thing in the midst of you.

Deu_19:20  καὶ οἱ ἐπίλοιποι ἀκούσαντες φοβηθήσονται καὶ οὐ προσθήσουσιν ἔτι ποιῆσαι κατὰ τὸ ῥῆμα τὸ πονηρὸν τοῦτο ἐν ὑμῖν.

Deu_19:21 WEB  Your eyes shall not pity; life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deu_19:21 Your eye shall not spare him; you shall exact life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and foot for foot.

Deu_19:21  οὐ φείσεται ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ· ψυχὴν ἀντὶ ψυχῆς, ὀφθαλμὸν ἀντὶ ὀφθαλμοῦ, ὀδόντα ἀντὶ ὀδόντος, χεῖρα ἀντὶ χειρός, πόδα ἀντὶ ποδός .

>> TOC | JCH

>> TSK

 

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Deu_17:12 WEB  The man who does presumptuously, in not listening to the priest who stands to minister there before Yahweh your God, or to the judge, even that man shall die: and you shall put away the evil from Israel.

Deu_17:12 And any man that shall act in arrogance, so as not to adhere to the priest who stands to minister in the name of the Lord your God, or the judge who shall preside in those days, that man shall die, and you shall remove the evil one out of Israel.

Deu_17:12  καὶ ὁ ἄνθρωπος, ὃς ἂν ποιήσῃ ἐν ὑπερηφανίᾳ τοῦ μὴ ὑπακοῦσαι τοῦ ἱερέως τοῦ παρεστηκότος λειτουργεῖν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου ἢ τοῦ κριτοῦ, ὃς ἂν ᾖ ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις, καὶ ἀποθανεῖται ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἐκεῖνος, καὶ ἐξαρεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ Ισραηλ·

>> Sync: LO | JCH (Deu_17:12)

 

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Anathema

10/11/17

>> Do word search on whole Bible!!!
>> Heb: “
a cursed thingH2764” (Deu 7:26)

>> compile other refs herein??

 

Deu_7:25 WEB  You shall burn the engraved images of their gods with fire. You shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it for yourself, lest you be snared in it; for it is an abomination to Yahweh your God.

Deu_7:25 LB  You shall burn with fire the graven images of their gods: you shall not covet their silver, neither shall you take to yourself gold from them, lest you be snared by it, for it is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Deu_7:25  τὰ γλυπτὰ τῶν θεῶν αὐτῶν κατακαύσετε πυρί· οὐκ ἐπιθυμήσεις ἀργύριον οὐδὲ χρυσίον ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν καὶ οὐ λήμψῃ σεαυτῷ, μὴ πταίσῃς δι᾿ αὐτό, ὅτι βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σού ἐστιν·

Deu_7:26 WEB  You shall not bring an abomination into your house, and become a devoted thing like it. You shall utterly detest it, and you shall utterly abhor it; for it is a devoted thing.

Deu_7:26 And you shall not bring an abomination into your house, so should you be an accursed thing like it; you shall utterly detest it, and altogether abominate it, because it is an accursed thing.

Deu_7:26  καὶ οὐκ εἰσοίσεις βδέλυγμα εἰς τὸν οἶκόν σου καὶ ἔσῃ ἀνάθημα ὥσπερ τοῦτο· προσοχθίσματι προσοχθιεῖς καὶ βδελύγματι βδελύξῃ, ὅτι ἀνάθημά ἐστιν.

 

>>2Co_13:!!!!!!!!!!!

 

2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, lest we should lose those things for which we worked, but that we should receive a full reward.

2Jn 1:8  βλέπετε ἑαυτούς, ἵνα μὴ ἀπολέσωμεν ἃ εἰργασάμεθα, ἀλλὰ μισθὸν πλήρη ἀπολάβωμεν.

2Jn 1:8  βλεπετε εαυτους ινα μη Aαπολεσητε TSBαπολεσωμεν α ειργασαμεθα αλλα μισθον πληρη Aαπολαβητε TSBαπολαβωμεν

2Jn 1:9 Everyone who transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, this one has both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:9  πᾶς ὁ παραβαίνων καὶ μὴ μένων ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ Θεὸν οὐκ ἔχει· ὁ μένων ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ, οὗτος καὶ τὸν πατέρα καὶ τὸν υἱὸν ἔχει.

2Jn 1:9  πας ο Aπροαγων TSBπαραβαινων και μη μενων εν τη διδαχη του χριστου θεον ουκ εχει ο μενων εν τη διδαχη TSBτου TSBχριστου ουτος και τον πατερα και τον υιον εχει

2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, and do not greet him;

2Jn 1:10  εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρὸς ὑμᾶς καὶ ταύτην τὴν διδαχὴν οὐ φέρει, μὴ λαμβάνετε αὐτὸν εἰς οἰκίαν, καὶ χαίρειν αὐτῷ μὴ λέγετε·

2Jn 1:10  ει τις ερχεται προς υμας και ταυτην την διδαχην ου φερει μη λαμβανετε αυτον εις οικιαν και χαιρειν αυτω μη λεγετε

2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil works.

2Jn 1:11  ὁ γὰρ λέγων αὐτῷ χαίρειν κοινωνεῖ τοῖς ἔργοις αὐτοῦ τοῖς πονηροῖς.

2Jn 1:11  ο TSBγαρ λεγων Aγαρ αυτω χαιρειν κοινωνει τοις εργοις αυτου τοις πονηροις

 

 

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Commanded Judgement is The Judgement of God, Not Man

9/25/17

 

Deu_1:17 WEB  You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike; you shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.

Deu_1:17 LB  You shall not have respect to persons in judgment, you shall judge small and great equally; you shall not shrink from before the person of a man, for the judgment is God's; and whatsoever matter shall be too hard for you, you shall bring it to me, and I will hear it.’

Deu_1:17  οὐκ ἐπιγνώσῃ πρόσωπον ἐν κρίσει, κατὰ τὸν μικρὸν καὶ κατὰ τὸν μέγαν κρινεῖς, οὐ μὴ ὑποστείλῃ πρόσωπον ἀνθρώπου, ὅτι ἡ κρίσις τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν· καὶ τὸ ῥῆμα, ὃ ἐὰν σκληρὸν ᾖ ἀφ᾿ ὑμῶν, ἀνοίσετε αὐτὸ ἐπ᾿ ἐμέ, καὶ ἀκούσομαι αὐτό.

Deu_1:18 WEB  I commanded you at that time all the things which you should do.

Deu_1:18 And I gave to you at that time all the commandments which you shall perform.

Deu_1:18  καὶ ἐνετειλάμην ὑμῖν ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ πάντας τοὺς λόγους, οὓς ποιήσετε.

 

 

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Ay: Who Can Dust the Dust off Their Feet?

9/3/17

 

>>Scrip:

Mat_10:

Mar_9: – Mar_10:

 

 

 

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Lov (& or llo?)

 

 

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>> Get Heretic verses & info from:

http://atruechurch.info/judging.html

 

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Proclamation Training

10/5/16; 8/11/17

> print this to put in front of Bibles?

 

be swift to judge and stop the mouth of luxury

always carry justice before your eyes (more than an arpox does strength)

 

shallow mindless

religious hypocrite/pervert -- be swift to call it out quickly...

 

your sick and disgusting perverted pagan god -- swiftly condemn pagan deities

 

You have never met me (or anyone like me), but I have met you 10,000 times...

 

can see you are not very thoughtful

i can tell you have not thought very much about this

you have not thoroughly thought this through

you are confused

 

you are shallow and unspiritual / soulish

 

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The Final Chapter in Judging the Church

8/10/17

 

The book that most explicitly teaches excommunication also concludes by describing the great range of people who will be rejected by it.

 

1Co 15:33 Do not be deceived: "Evil associations corrupts good habits."

1Co 15:33  μὴ πλανᾶσθε· φθείρουσιν ἤθη BAχρηστὰ |TSχρησθ| ὁμιλίαι κακαί.

 

1Co 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Marana tha!

1Co 16:22  εἴ τις οὐ φιλεῖ τὸν Κύριον TSB᾿Ιησοῦν TSBΧριστόν, ἤτω ἀνάθεμα. TSBΜαράν TSBἀθά. |Aμαρανα Aθα |

 

This is the call to action for the entire book.

When all is said and done, the list of sins to get you excommunicated pretty much involves everyone in church today.

 

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1Co_15:33 CAB   Do not be deceived: "Evil associations corrupts good habits."

1Co_15:33  μὴ πλανᾶσθε· φθείρουσιν ἤθη χρηστὰ ὁμιλίαι κακαί.

1Co_15:33  μη πλανασθε φθειρουσιν ηθη BAχρηστα TSχρησθ ομιλιαι κακαι

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin, for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

1Co_15:34  ἐκνήψατε δικαίως καὶ μὴ ἁμαρτάνετε· ἀγνωσίαν γὰρ Θεοῦ τινες ἔχουσι· πρὸς ἐντροπὴν ὑμῖν λέγω.

1Co_15:34  εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν Aλαλω TSBλεγω

>> SRP | JCH

 

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Church Perverts Oppose Authority

“You are not big enough to accuse the whole age effectively, but let us say you are in dissent. You are in no position to issue commands, but you can speak words of hope. Shall this be the substance of your message? Be human in this most inhuman of ages; guard the image of man for it is the image of God. --Thomas Merton”

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2012/05/treat-them-as-pagan-or-tax-collector.html

7/16/17

 

Notice what happens when heretics change the actual Words of Jesus for their own heretical interpretations:

“How might this understanding--we treat tax collectors as Jesus treated tax collectors--change how people have read Matthew  18.15-17? Well, it changes it completely. No longer is this text read as a mandate for exclusion, as a warrant for kicking people out. Rather what we find is a mandate for inclusion, a warrant for sending and seeking and embracing. True, if a brother or sister is engaged in sin our relationship within the church is altered. You've become "a lost sheep" and a "tax collector."”

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2012/05/treat-them-as-pagan-or-tax-collector.html

7/16/17

 

 

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Rebuke is the Opposite of Hate

4/10/17

 

Lev 19:17 WEB  " 'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.

Lev 19:17 LB  ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, so you shall not bear sin on his account.

Lev 19:17  οὐ μισήσεις τὸν ἀδελφόν σου τῇ διανοίᾳ σου, ἐλεγμῷ ἐλέγξεις τὸν πλησίον σου καὶ οὐ λήμψῃ δι᾿ αὐτὸν ἁμαρτίαν.

 

Non-Assumption Judgement

4/10/17

>> compare: SPI: as I hear I judge

 

 

Lev 19:15 WEB  " 'You shall do no injustice in judgment: you shall not be partial to the poor, nor show favoritism to the great; but you shall judge your neighbor in righteousness.

Lev 19:15 LB  ‘You shall not act unjustly in judgment: you shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty; with justice shall you judge your neighbor.

Lev 19:15  Οὐ ποιήσετε ἄδικον ἐν κρίσει· οὐ λήμψῃ πρόσωπον πτωχοῦ οὐδὲ θαυμάσεις πρόσωπον δυνάστου, ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ κρινεῖς τὸν πλησίον σου.

 

 

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Judge Yourself

Other dates; 4/1/17

 

Make sure you are right first before confronting others

 

Mat_6: - Log, then speck

 

[Job_10:2 - show me]

 

Lev_13:1-46 – The Virtue of Self-Probation / Quaranteen

 

Lev_16:29 - shall afflict Lev_23:26-32 - afflict 1Ki_13:24 - a lion 2Ch_19:2 - is wrath

 

Psa_6:1-3 - rebuke [Psa_32:3-5] Psa_89:32 - General

[Psa_119:175 - and let thy]

 

Jer_31:18-20

 

Lam_3:38-44, etc. - search

 

Hag_2:15-19, etc. - consider

>> think / logos

>> Hon Scien

 

Luk_15:18-20

 

1Co_11:28

1Co_11:31

 

2Co_13:5 - Examine

 

1Jo_1:9

[1Pe_4:6 - that they]

 

Rev_2:5, Rev_3:2, Rev_3:3

 

 

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3/23/17

Pro 13:20 WEB  One who walks with wise men grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.

Pro 13:20 LB If you walk with wise men you shall be wise, but he that walks with fools shall be known.

Pro 13:20  ὁ συμπορευόμενος σοφοῖς σοφὸς ἔσται, ὁ δὲ συμπορευόμενος ἄφροσι γνωσθήσεται.

>> Sync: WoW | JCH

 

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Friend of Sinners

>> srp?

 

Standing Away From Worthless & Dead Weight

3/22/17

Jesus avoiding fleshballs when doing healing

Jesus did not want to mass publicize impressive miacles... to everyone...

 

No Word Fights

Acts: Paul: they did not find me debating in the streets

 

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Pro_13:20 -- Walk with Wise, not Fools

>> Sync: JCH | WoW

 

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Eli Was Rejected for Not Judging the Church

3/12/17

 

1Sa_2:1, etc.

1Sa_3:1, etc.

>> more refs

 

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Flattering Diplomacy vs. Wise Separation

The 3 Stages of Brute, Diplomat, & Wise Separatist -- and why Most People Confuse Them!

3/5/17; 3/10/17; 3/12/17; 3/18/17; 3/19/17

 

Stage One: An ignorant and inexperienced Brute who is impatient and does not care about the feelings of others who are different than him.

Stage Two: A Brute who has learned to be a Diplomate with politeness, manners, and perhaps some level of friendliness and care for the feelings of others who are different than him.

Stage Three: A diplomatic man learns integrity and how to separate himself from compromise and sin – which is different from God.

 

Most people mistake Stage Three for Stage One.

Most people are shallow, and without thought or integrity, and they never attain to distinguishing the surpassingly excellent and refined virtues of the righteous from brutish and selfish crudeness of losers. Most people are evil and prideful, so they associate the surpassing height of the excellent with their own shameful past of crudeness.

 

Through education and experience, the brute learns diplomacy, yet through repentance and faith the diplomatic learn separation and holiness from the compromise and pollutions of this world, and through special help from heaven, the holy and truly wise child will even learn zeal and indignation and intolerance against all the foolishness of sin. To the shame of the whole world, the wisdom of the zealous separatist is called brutishness by the compromised flatterer.

 

For many people, one of the highest "virtues" they ever learn out of many years of life (and gray hairs) is diplomacy. And while diplomacy can certainly have its appeal and value and usefulness, and can even cause an evil person to be admired, yet it stands in very little worth in comparison to honest integrity and forthright zeal for the truth, and being unwilling to compromise, flatter, or pollute oneself with perverse company. A young head with integrity and zeal beats an old and gray head who has learned to compromise, and flatter, and get along with every evil man.

 

A gentle man may use diplomacy as a means of truly loving other people by patiently providing them time and opportunity to repent.  A liberal, perverted, integrity-breached man uses diplomacy in the name of love to flatter people in a way that encourages them in their sin and removes real incentives to repent.

 

And while the delusion of the flesh will praise the easy mouth of compromise in a company of worthless men while the zealous youth sits alone in indignation, yet the wise take it to heart that the success of a sociable man has made many friends with worthless men, yet the wise zealot, sitting alone in the corner, has found exclusive friendship with the truth, and no one can even compete with his profit.

 

And while the flatterer will be praised over the righteous, as though the easy mouth has learned more love and patience and gentleness and praiseworthy virtue than the delegates of God's own heart, yet in the end, the purified and wise separatist will come out having endured in real love, and wise patience, and self-sacrifice, and saving answers, well long after the patience of the popular entertainers have collapsed from exhaustion.

 

The compromised know how to flatter in a season where it preserves them from persecution, and multiplies their own personal advantages in this life, but those with integrity have willingly crucified themselves already, and have tried and judged their own souls, and when the days of darkness and unforeseen trials come, and dark clouds overshadow and rigorously condemn the flesh, and the successful have nowhere to go, and they find no consolation to bear with those who have turned against them, and flattery and cheap success folds down and crumbles and collapses, and its glory perishes, and no one can praise its virtue any longer, and it is just then that the righteous shine and endure all things, and lead out in love where all light had perished.

 

The week and humiliated will not look for love from the flatterer when he has perished in dismay and exasperation, when truth has come down to examine and try the sons of men, but they will run to the serious abstainer when all hope is gone, because now only he has truth and love and hope and a real answer of integrity, which thrives and shines the most when the awesome trial of reality calls all men to give over an honest answer for what real virtue, integrity, and love they have left in their hands.

 

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BBS: dhg

BBS: jch

Humble People Judge

8/2/12

 

Humble people are submissive enough to actually obey God when he commands us to judge the lawless.

 

Proverbs: The poor discerns the ritch/ exalted

 

LXX:

Zep_2:3 CAB  Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth; do judgment, and seek justice, and answer accordingly [??]; that you may be hid in the day of the wrath of the Lord.

 

Zep_2:3 WEB  Seek Yahweh, all you humble of the land, who have kept his ordinances. Seek righteousness. Seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of Yahweh's anger.

 

 

 

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12/14/16

 

Exo_10 - Exo_11

 

Exo 10:28 WEB  Pharaoh said to him, "Get away from me! Be careful to see my face no more; for in the day you see my face you shall die!"

Exo 10:28 CAB  And Pharaoh said, Depart from me! Beware of seeing my face again, for in what day you shall appear before me, you shall die!

Exo 10:28  καὶ λέγει Φαραω Ἄπελθε ἀπ᾿ ἐμοῦ, πρόσεχε σεαυτῷ ἔτι προσθεῖναι ἰδεῖν μου τὸ πρόσωπον· ᾗ δ᾿ ἂν ἡμέρᾳ ὀφθῇς μοι, ἀποθανῇ.

Exo 10:29 Moses said, "You have spoken well. I will see your face again no more."

Exo 10:29 And Moses said, You have well said. I will not appear in your presence again.

Exo 10:29  λέγει δὲ Μωυσῆς Εἴρηκας· οὐκέτι ὀφθήσομαί σοι εἰς πρόσωπον.

 

When you make someone no longer welcome in your presence, you are subjects to whenever unknown withdrawals (and maybe even plagues) they may do to you.

 

 

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Judging & Determining Sin Much Faster Than Flesh Balls Are Willing To Admit

11/18/16

Jesus shows us that we can determine exactly where people’s hearts are much faster than flesh balls are willing to admit.

Wisdom enables you to precisely and quickly jump straight to the very Core of where someone’s heart is at.

Fleshed balls hate the idea that you can very quickly know much more about their own heart than they do.

Many people are astonished at how fast Jesus is able to draw conclusions

Hypocrites pretend to believe Jesus, but then treacherously insult his followers when they also draw swift conclusions in the exact same way.

I will never forget this principle: when people say, how did you make that decision so fast? -- experienced people know that you can make decisions faster when you have thoroughly and strongly determined your fundamental values .

Judging the words of people is all about values.

Most people assume that their words are innocent.

But when a wise person has already determined the guilt of a hypocrite’s words, he can very easily see the same hypocrisy repeated over and over again.

>>Scrip:

Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth that speaks

Luk_12:13 CAB  Then someone from the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me."

Luk_12:13  Εἶπε δέ τις αὐτῷ ἐκ τοῦ ὄχλου· διδάσκαλε, εἰπὲ τῷ ἀδελφῷ μου μερίσασθαι μετ᾿ ἐμοῦ τὴν κληρονομίαν.

Luk_12:14 But He said to him, "Man, who appointed Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?"

Luk_12:14  ὁ δὲ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ἄνθρωπε, τίς με κατέστησε δικαστήν ἢ μεριστὴν ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς;

Luk_12:15  And He said to them, "Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Luk_12:15  εἶπε δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς, ὁρᾶτε καὶ φυλάσσεσθε ἀπὸ πάσης πλεονεξίας· ὅτι οὐκ ἐν τῷ περισσεύειν τινὶ ἡ ζωὴ αὐτοῦ ἐστιν ἐκ τῶν ὑπαρχόντων αὐτοῦ.

>> Sync: JCH | RiFi | TOC | JojBB

Act_8:18  CAB  Now when Simon observed that by the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,

Act_8:18  ἰδὼν δὲ ὁ Σίμων ὅτι διὰ τῆς ἐπιθέσεως τῶν χειρῶν τῶν ἀποστόλων δίδοται τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ ῞Αγιον, προσήνεγκεν αὐτοῖς χρήματα

Act_8:19 saying, "Give me this power also, that on whom ever I lay my hands he may receive the Holy Spirit."

Act_8:19  λέγων· δότε κἀμοὶ τὴν ἐξουσίαν ταύτην, ἵνα ᾧ ἐὰν ἐπιθῶ τὰς χεῖρας λαμβάνῃ Πνεῦμα ῞Αγιον.

Act_8:20 But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought to acquire the gift of God through money!

Act_8:20  Πέτρος δὲ εἶπε πρὸς αὐτόν· τὸ ἀργύριόν σου σὺν σοὶ εἴη εἰς ἀπώλειαν, ὅτι τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐνόμισας διὰ χρημάτων κτᾶσθαι.

Act_8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this word, for your heart is not straight before God.

Act_8:21  οὐκ ἔστι σοι μερὶς οὐδὲ κλῆρος ἐν τῷ λόγῳ τούτῳ· ἡ γὰρ καρδία σου οὐκ ἔστιν εὐθεῖα ἐνώπιον τοῦ Θεοῦ.

Act_8:22 Repent therefore from this your wickedness, and make petition to God, if perhaps the intent of your heart will be forgiven you.

Act_8:22  μετανόησον οὖν ἀπὸ τῆς κακίας σου ταύτης, καὶ δεήθητι τοῦ Θεοῦ εἰ ἄρα ἀφεθήσεταί σοι ἡ ἐπίνοια τῆς καρδίας σου·

Act_8:23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and the bond of unrighteousness."

Act_8:23  εἰς γὰρ χολὴν πικρίας καὶ σύνδεσμον ἀδικίας ὁρῶ σε ὄντα.

Act_8:24 Then Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me."

Act_8:24  ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ ὁ Σίμων εἶπε· δεήθητε ὑμεῖς ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ πρὸς τὸν Κύριον ὅπως μηδὲν ἐπέλθῃ ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ ὧν εἰρήκατε.

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Heretics Are not innocent, But Guilty of Causing Murder from God’s Wrath

11/13/16

Mic_6:16 For the statutes of Omri are kept, and all the works of the house of Ahab. You walk in their counsels, that I may make you a ruin, and her inhabitants a hissing; And you will bear the reproach of my people."

Mic_6:16 For you have kept the statues of Omri, and done all the works of the house of Ahab; and you have walked in their ways, that I might deliver you to utter destruction, and those that inhabit the city to hissing: and you shall bear the reproach of nations.

Mic_6:16  καὶ ἐφύλαξας τὰ δικαιώματα Ζαμβρι καὶ πάντα τὰ ἔργα οἴκου Αχααβ καὶ ἐπορεύθητε ἐν ταῖς βουλαῖς αὐτῶν, ὅπως παραδῶ σε εἰς ἀφανισμὸν καὶ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας αὐτὴν εἰς συρισμόν·  καὶ ὀνείδη λαῶν λήμψεσθε.

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Not Arguing with Bullies

10/25/16

Ecc_6:10 WEB  Whatever has been, its name was given long ago; and it is known what man is; neither can he contend with him who is mightier than he.

Ecc_6:10 CAB  If anything has been, its name has already been called. And it is known what man is; neither can he contend with him who is stronger than he.

Ecc_6:10  Εἴ τι ἐγένετο, ἤδη κέκληται ὄνομα αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐγνώσθη ὅ ἐστιν ἄνθρωπος, καὶ οὐ δυνήσεται τοῦ κριθῆναι μετὰ τοῦ ἰσχυροῦ ὑπὲρ αὐτόν·

>> TSK

>> Sirach? -- don’t contend with one stronger than you

>> Sync: JCH | llo | other?

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Neh: I am Involved in An Important Work

10/8/16

The wisdom of Nehemiah on differing the flesh and having a superior attitude to Sandballet.

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Respect of countenances / Respect of persons

1/9/14;

 

 

Gen_19:21  And he said to him, Behold, I have had respect to thee also about this thing, that I should not overthrow the city about which thou hast spoken.

Gen_19:21  καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ Ἰδοὺ ἐθαύμασά σου τὸ πρόσωπον καὶ ἐπὶ τῷ ῥήματι τούτῳ τοῦ μὴ καταστρέψαι τὴν πόλιν, περὶ ἧς ἐλάλησας·

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6/19/17

 

No matter where you find yourself in the world and or in history, Judging the church is always an issue.

Even righteous Hezekiah had issues with this!

Corinthians

Galatians

Even the ancient assemblies, as superior as they were to churches today, they still had issues with this!

 

9/30/16

2Ki_20:12 WEB  At that time Berodach Baladan the son of Baladan, king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah; for he had heard that Hezekiah had been sick.

2Ki_20:12 CAB  At that time Merodoch Baladan, son of Baladan king of Babylon, sent letters and a present to Hezekiah, because he had heard that Hezekiah was sick.

2Ki_20:12  Ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ ἀπέστειλεν Μαρωδαχβαλαδαν υἱὸς Βαλαδαν βασιλεὺς Βαβυλῶνος βιβλία καὶ μαναα πρὸς Εζεκιαν, ὅτι ἤκουσεν ὅτι ἠρρώστησεν Εζεκιας.

2Ki_20:13 Hezekiah listened to them, and showed them all the house of his precious things, the silver, and the gold, and the spices, and the precious oil, and the house of his armor, and all that was found in his treasures: there was nothing in his house, nor in all his dominion, that Hezekiah didn't show them.

2Ki_20:13 And Hezekiah rejoiced at them, and showed all the house of his spices, the silver and the gold, the spices and the fine oil, and the armory, and all that was found in his treasures; there was nothing which Hezekiah did not show them in his house, and in all his dominion.

2Ki_20:13  καὶ ἐχάρη ἐπ᾿ αὐτοῖς Εζεκιας καὶ ἔδειξεν αὐτοῖς ὅλον τὸν οἶκον τοῦ νεχωθα, τὸ ἀργύριον καὶ τὸ χρυσίον, τὰ ἀρώματα καὶ τὸ ἔλαιον τὸ ἀγαθόν, καὶ τὸν οἶκον τῶν σκευῶν καὶ ὅσα ηὑρέθη ἐν τοῖς θησαυροῖς αὐτοῦ· οὐκ ἦν λόγος, ὃν οὐκ ἔδειξεν αὐτοῖς Εζεκιας ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐν πάσῃ τῇ ἐξουσίᾳ αὐτοῦ.

2Ki_20:14 Then came Isaiah the prophet to king Hezekiah, and said to him, What did these men say? and from where did they come to you? Hezekiah said, They are come from a far country, even from Babylon.

2Ki_20:14 And Isaiah the prophet went in to King Hezekiah, and said to him, What did these men say to you? And where did they come from? And Hezekiah said, they came to me from a distant land, from Babylon.

2Ki_20:14  καὶ εἰσῆλθεν Ησαιας ὁ προφήτης πρὸς τὸν βασιλέα Εζεκιαν καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτόν Τί ἐλάλησαν οἱ ἄνδρες οὗτοι καὶ πόθεν ἥκασιν πρὸς σέ; καὶ εἶπεν Εζεκιας Ἐκ γῆς πόρρωθεν ἥκασιν πρός με, ἐκ Βαβυλῶνος.

2Ki_20:15 He said, What have they seen in your house? Hezekiah answered, All that is in my house have they seen: there is nothing among my treasures that I have not shown them.

2Ki_20:15 And he said, What did they see in your house? And he said, They saw all things that are in my house: there was nothing in my house which I did not show them; moreover, all that was in my treasuries as well.

2Ki_20:15  καὶ εἶπεν Τί εἶδον ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ σου; καὶ εἶπεν Πάντα, ὅσα ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ μου, εἶδον· οὐκ ἦν ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ μου ὃ οὐκ ἔδειξα αὐτοῖς, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὰ ἐν τοῖς θησαυροῖς μου.

2Ki_20:16 Isaiah said to Hezekiah, Hear the word of Yahweh.

2Ki_20:16 And Isaiah said to Hezekiah, Hear the word of the Lord:

2Ki_20:16  καὶ εἶπεν Ησαιας πρὸς Εζεκιαν Ἄκουσον λόγον κυρίου

2Ki_20:17 Behold, the days come, that all that is in your house, and that which your fathers have laid up in store to this day, shall be carried to Babylon: nothing shall be left, says Yahweh.

2Ki_20:17 Behold, the days are coming that all things that are in your house shall be taken, and all that your fathers have treasured up to this day shall be carried to Babylon; and there shall not fail a word which the Lord has spoken.

2Ki_20:17  Ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται καὶ λημφθήσεται πάντα τὰ ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ σου καὶ ὅσα ἐθησαύρισαν οἱ πατέρες σου ἕως τῆς ἡμέρας ταύτης εἰς Βαβυλῶνα· καὶ οὐχ ὑπολειφθήσεται ῥῆμα, ὃ εἶπεν κύριος·

2Ki_20:18 Of your sons who shall issue from you, whom you shall father, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.

2Ki_20:18 And as for your sons which shall come forth of you, which you shall beget, the enemy shall take them, and they shall be eunuchs in the house of the king of Babylon.

2Ki_20:18  καὶ οἱ υἱοί σου, οἳ ἐξελεύσονται ἐκ σοῦ, οὓς γεννήσεις, λήμψεται, καὶ ἔσονται εὐνοῦχοι ἐν τῷ οἴκῳ τοῦ βασιλέως Βαβυλῶνος.

2Ki_20:19 Then said Hezekiah to Isaiah, Good is the word of Yahweh which you have spoken. He said moreover, Isn't it so, if peace and truth shall be in my days?

2Ki_20:19 And Hezekiah said to Isaiah, Good is the word of the Lord which He has spoken: only let there be peace in my days.

2Ki_20:19  καὶ εἶπεν Εζεκιας πρὸς Ησαιαν Ἀγαθὸς ὁ λόγος κυρίου, ὃν ἐλάλησεν· ἔστω εἰρήνη ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις μου.

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How Harsh to Strike a Pagan “Elder”

9/24/16

Jos_6:21 KJV+  And they utterly destroyedH2763 (H853) allH3605 thatH834 was in the city,H5892 both manH4480 H376 and woman,H802 youngH4480 H5288 and old,H2205 and ox,H7794 and sheep,H7716 and ass,H2543 with the edgeH6310 of the sword.H2719

Jos_6:21 CAB And Joshua devoted it to destruction, and all things that were in the city, man and woman, young man and old, calf and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

Jos_6:21  καὶ ἀνεθεμάτισεν αὐτὴν Ἰησοῦς καὶ ὅσα ἦν ἐν τῇ πόλει ἀπὸ ἀνδρὸς καὶ ἕως γυναικός, ἀπὸ νεανίσκου καὶ ἕως πρεσβύτου καὶ ἕως μόσχου καὶ ὑποζυγίου, ἐν στόματι ῥομφαίας.

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At First, Lot Gave the Sodomites More Credit Than The Angels Did

8/13/16

Righteous Lot though at first that the Sodomites could be reasoned with…

But the Angels knew better, and reinforced a more salty cutting off sternness against them.

Many people think that their culture can be redeemed somehow, but God has already harshly condemned the rich with sweeping judgement.

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8/12/16

8  A friend is not known in prosperity;11 [11 [Sir12:8] others (LXX) “punished”]

in adversity an enemy will not remain concealed.

9  When a man is successful even his enemy is friendly;12 [12 [Sir12:9] Heb / LXX “grieved”]

in adversity even his friend disappears.

10  Never trust your enemy,

for his wickedness is like corrosion in bronze.

11  Even though he acts humbly and peaceably toward you, take care to be on your guard against him.

Rub him as one polishes a brazen mirror,

and you will find that there is still corrosion.13 [13 [Sir12:11] LXX / Heb(A) “Treat him as one who would breach a confidence, // so that he may not be able to harm you, // and be sure that in the end envy will still be there.”]

12  Do not let him stand near you,

lest he oust you and take your place. Do not let him sit at your right hand,

lest he then demand your seat,

and in the end you appreciate my advice,

when you groan with regret, as I warned you.

13  Who pities a snake charmer when he is bitten, or anyone who goes near a wild beast?

14  So is it with the companion of the proud man,

who is involved in his sins:

15  While you stand firm, he makes no bold move;

but if you slip, he cannot hold back.

16  An enemy speaks sweetly with his lips,

but in his heart he schemes to plunge you into the abyss. Though your enemy has tears in his eyes,

if given the chance, he will never have enough of your blood.

17  If evil comes upon you, you will find him at hand;

feigning to help, he will trip you up,

18  then he will nod his head and clap his hands and hiss repeatedly, and show his true face.

Sir_13:1  He who touches pitch blackens his hand;

he who associates with an impious man learns his ways.

2  Bear no burden too heavy for you;

go with no one greater or wealthier than yourself. How can the earthen pot go with the metal cauldron?

When they knock together, the pot will be smashed.

Or why should the rich man associate with the poor man?1

3  The rich man does wrong and boasts of it,

the poor man is wronged and begs forgiveness.

4  As long as the rich man can use you, he will enslave you, but when you are exhausted, he will abandon you.

5  As long as you own anything he will be part of your household, then without regret he will impoverish you.

6  When he needs something from you he will cajole you, and with smiles he will win your confidence;

he will speak fair words to you and ask what you need, and embarrass you with gifts of delicacies.

7  Then twice or three times he will terrify you, and finally laugh you to scorn.

When later he sees you he will pass you by, and shake his head over you.

8  Guard against being presumptuous;

do not be humiliated when you are enjoying yourself.2

9  When invited by a man of influence, keep your distance;

then he will urge you all the more.

10  Do not be bold with him lest you be rebuffed,

but do not keep too far away lest you be forgotten.

11  Do not engage freely in discussion with him, do not trust his many words;

for by prolonged talk he will test you,

and though smiling he will probe you.

12  Mercilessly he will make a laughingstock of you,3

and will not refrain from injury or chains.

13  Be on your guard and take care

never to accompany men of violence.

14  If you hear these things in your sleep, wake up!

With your whole life, love the Lord, and call on him for your salvation.4

15  Every living thing loves its own kind, every man a man like himself.

16  Every being is drawn to its own kind;

every man associates with his own kind.

17  Is a wolf ever allied with a lamb?

So it is with the sinner and the pious.

And so for the rich man keeping close to the poor man.5

18  Can there be peace between the hyena and the dog?

Or can there be peace between the rich and the poor?

19  Lion’s prey are the wild asses of the desert;

1 [Sir13:2] LXX / Heb(A), Syr add

2 [Sir13:8] others humiliated in your folly

3 [Sir13:12] Heb(A) / LXX(I) Cruel is he who does not keep words to himself / LXX(II), Origen, Lat(similar) Mercilessly he will store up your words as a threat

against your life

4 [Sir13:13] some LXX adds

5 [Sir13:17] Heb(A) adds


so too the poor are feeding grounds for the rich.

20  A proud man1 abhors lowliness;

so does the rich man abhor the poor.

21  When a rich man stumbles he is supported by a friend;

when a poor man trips he is pushed down by a friend.2

22  Many are the supporters for a rich man when he speaks;

though what he says is odious, it wins approval. When a poor3 man speaks they make sport of him;

he speaks wisely and no attention is paid him.

23  A rich man speaks and all are silent,

his wisdom they extol to the clouds.

A poor man speaks and they say: Who is that?

If he slips they cast him down.

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8/9/16

scoffer of limited Friendship:

http://religionnews.com/2014/03/20/setting-record-straight-jesus-friend-sinners/

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7/19/16

1Sa_12:7 KJV+  NowH6258 therefore stand still,H3320 that I may reasonH8199 withH854 you beforeH6440 the LORDH3068 of(H853) allH3605 the righteous actsH6666 of the LORD,H3068 whichH834 he didH6213 toH854 you and toH854 your fathers.H1

1Sa_12:7 And now stand still, and I will judge you before the Lord; and I will relate to you all the righteousness of the Lord, the things which He has done among you and your fathers.

1Sa_12:7  καὶ νῦν κατάστητε, καὶ δικάσω ὑμᾶς ἐνώπιον κυρίου καὶ ἀπαγγελῶ ὑμῖν τὴν πᾶσαν δικαιοσύνην κυρίου, ἃ ἐποίησεν ἐν ὑμῖν καὶ ἐν τοῖς πατράσιν ὑμῶν·

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6/26/16

Psa_37:30 KJV+  The mouthH6310 of the righteousH6662 speakethH1897 wisdom,H2451 and his tongueH3956 talkethH1696 of judgment.H4941

Psa 37:30 The mouth of the righteous will meditate wisdom, and his tongue will speak of judgment.

Psa 37:30  (36:30) στόμα δικαίου μελετήσει σοφίαν, καὶ ἡ γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ λαλήσει κρίσιν·

Psa 37:31 KJV+  The lawH8451 of his GodH430 is in his heart;H3820 noneH3808 of his stepsH838 shall slide.H4571

Psa 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; and his steps shall not slide.

Psa 37:31  (36:31) ὁ νόμος τοῦ θεοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐν καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ, καὶ οὐχ ὑποσκελισθήσεται τὰ διαβήματα αὐτοῦ.

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6/13/16

The very fact that people have the audacity to question, doubt, and blaspheme Paul and John automatically disqualifies them from the truth, and condemns them as filthy and perverted heretics, judged, handed over to satan.

>> review all of 1 & 2 Corinthians!!!

3Jn 1:6 CAB who gave testimony concerning your love before the church, with reference to whom you will do well if you send them forth in a manner worthy of God,

3Jn 1:6  οἳ ἐμαρτύρησάν σου τῇ ἀγάπῃ ἐνώπιον ἐκκλησίας, οὓς καλῶς ποιήσεις προπέμψας ἀξίως τοῦ Θεοῦ.

3Jn 1:7 for on behalf of the Name they went out, taking nothing from the pagans.

3Jn 1:7  ὑπὲρ γὰρ τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ ἐξῆλθον, μηδὲν λαμβάνοντες ἀπὸ τῶν ἐθνικῶν.

3Jn 1:8 We therefore ought to receive such, in order that we may become fellow workers with the truth.

3Jn 1:8  ἡμεῖς οὖν ὀφείλομεν ὑπολαμβάνειν τοὺς τοιούτους, ἵνα συνεργοὶ γινώμεθα τῇ ἀληθείᾳ.

3Jn 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves the preeminence over them, does not receive us.

3Jn 1:9  ῎Εγραψά τι τῇ ἐκκλησίᾳ· ἀλλ᾿ ὁ φιλοπρωτεύων αὐτῶν Διοτρεφής οὐκ ἐπιδέχεται ἡμᾶς.

3Jn 1:10 On account of this, if I come, I will call to mind his works which he does, slandering us [φλυαρῶν – KJV: prating against us] with evil words [λόγοις πονηροῖς φλυαρῶν ἡμᾶς]. And not being content with that, he does not receive the brothers, and hinders those who desire to, casting them out of the church.

3Jn 1:10  διὰ τοῦτο, ἐὰν ἔλθω, ὑπομνήσω αὐτοῦ τὰ ἔργα ἃ ποιεῖ, λόγοις πονηροῖς φλυαρῶν ἡμᾶς· καὶ μὴ ἀρκούμενος ἐπὶ τούτοις, οὔτε αὐτὸς ἐπιδέχεται τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τοὺς βουλομένους κωλύει καὶ ἐκ τῆς ἐκκλησίας ἐκβάλλει.

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6/13/16

Rev_2:2 CAB "I know your works, and your labor, and your endurance, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you tested those who say that they are apostles and they are not, and you found them to be liars;

Rev_2:2  οἶδα τὰ ἔργα σου καὶ τὸν κόπον σου καὶ τὴν ὑπομονήν σου, καὶ ὅτι οὐ δύνῃ βαστάσαι κακούς, καὶ ἐπείρασας τοὺς λέγοντας ἑαυτοὺς ἀποστόλους εἶναι, καὶ οὐκ εἰσί, καὶ εὗρες αὐτοὺς ψευδεῖς·

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Beyond Judging the Church

4/18/16

Burning Bridges with The World

5/6/16

>>Scrip:

Whoever looks back is not worthy

He saw that he had become a stench to him

How harshly to confront hypocritical, non-church people & Leaders

4/18/16; 5/1/16

Main question: Give honor to whom honor is due

Modiki not bowing before Haman in the book of Esther

Elijah vs. Prophets of Bale + even Ahab!

>> you have troubled Israel…

Confronting unworthy People / Even leaders

>> 2Ki_3:14

kings of Israel

Seven sons confronting the Tyrant

Herod – go tell that fox

Martyrdom of Polycarp

Paul confronting Didimos / Bar-jesus

One main indicator: hypocrisy

Next might be: luxury/riches… eventually Pride, in hypocritical degrees

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Quiet Withdraw

Not even telling unworthy people that you are withdrawing until it is time to do justice and set the record straight -- even to their surprise

4/30/16

Ab & Isaac did not tell Abimelech or Pharaoh about his wife

>> where else did I list this?

Gen 31:20 – Jacob did not trust Laban to tell him he was leaving

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When Not to Judge

4/9/16

Judging Hidden motives forbidden

Judah and Tamar

Cheap shot: Assuming pride without any bases

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Praising David vs. his brothers assuming that he is prideful

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Accusing Jesus & the apostles of pride, when they were supremely true

Same thing happens today: religious leaders always want to strike those speaking clean truth

Prejudice is forbidden

When To Answer An Accusation

5/21/16

>> put with cheap shots

Jacob answering Laban

Gen_43-44  -- Joseph accusing his brothers of being spies, and of stealing silver cup

Gen 44:11 KJV+  Then they speedilyH4116 took downH3381 every manH376 (H853) his sackH572 to the ground,H776 and openedH6605 every manH376 his sack.H572

Gen 44:11 And they made haste, and took down every man his sack on the ground, and they opened every man’s sack.

Gen 44:11  καὶ ἔσπευσαν καὶ καθεῖλαν ἕκαστος τὸν μάρσιππον αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ ἤνοιξαν ἕκαστος τὸν μάρσιππον αὐτοῦ.

Where is the boundary?

·        When it is an authority

·        When you actually have a chance to win

But you are at their mercy

There is space for rationality to happen

To whatever degree reasonableness is accessible

Looking For Good -- How Eager to Be Up Front

Innocent until proven Guilty, or guilty until proven innocent? 

1/8/16…4/22/16

tags: looking for good ; How Open to Be Up Front

 

Moses before he was pushed away

 

Jesus with the coin: so that we do not offend them

Act 28: Paul was receiving everyone who came to him

 

 

 

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Act 13:40 CAB  Watch therefore, lest there come upon you that which was spoken of in the prophets:

Act 13:40  βλέπετε οὖν μὴ ἐπέλθῃ ἐφ ὑμᾶς τὸ εἰρημένον ἐν τοῖς προφήταις·

Act 13:40  βλεπετε ουν μη επελθη TSBεφ TSBυμας το ειρημενον εν τοις προφηταις

Act 13:41 "Behold, you despisers, and marvel and perish! For I will work a work in your days which you will by no means believe, though one were to declare it to you.' "

Act 13:41  ἴδετε, οἱ καταφρονηταί, καὶ θαυμάσατε καὶ ἀφανίσθητε, ὅτι ἔργον ἐγὼ ἐργάζομαι ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις ὑμῶν, ἔργον ὃ οὐ μὴ πιστεύσητε ἐάν τις ἐκδιηγῆται ὑμῖν.

Act 13:41  ιδετε οι καταφρονηται και θαυμασατε και αφανισθητε οτι εργον TSBεγω εργαζομαι Aεγω εν ταις ημεραις υμων Bο TSAεργον Aο TSω ου μη πιστευσητε εαν τις εκδιηγηται υμιν

Act 13:42 Now as the Jews were going out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be spoken to them the next Sabbath.

Act 13:42  ᾿Εξιόντων δὲ ἐκ τὴς συναγωγῆς τῶν ᾿Ιουδαίων, παρεκάλουν τὰ ἔθνη εἰς τὸ μεταξὺ σάββατον λαληθῆναι αὐτοῖς τὰ ῥήματα ταῦτα.

Act 13:42  εξιοντων δε Aαυτων TSBεκ TSBτης TSBσυναγωγης TSBτων TSBιουδαιων παρεκαλουν TSBτα TSBεθνη εις το μεταξυ σαββατον λαληθηναι αυτοις τα ρηματα Bταυτα TSAταυτα

Act 13:43 And when the synagogue service was broken up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Act 13:43  λυθείσης δὲ τῆς συναγωγῆς, ἠκολούθησαν πολλοὶ τῶν ᾿Ιουδαίων καὶ τῶν σεβομένων προσηλύτων τῷ Παύλῳ καὶ τῷ Βαρνάβᾳ, οἵτινες προσλαλοῦντες αὐτοῖς ἔπειθον αὐτοὺς προσμένειν τῇ χάριτι τοῦ Θεοῦ.

Act 13:43  λυθεισης δε της συναγωγης ηκολουθησαν πολλοι των ιουδαιων και των σεβομενων προσηλυτων τω παυλω και τω βαρναβα οιτινες προσλαλουντες TSAαυτοις επειθον αυτους Aπροσμενειν TSBεπιμενειν τη χαριτι του θεου

Act 13:44 On the coming Sabbath, almost all the city was assembled to hear the word of God.

Act 13:44  Τῷ δὲ ἐρχομένῳ σαββάτῳ σχεδὸν πᾶσα ἡ πόλις συνήχθη ἀκοῦσαι τὸν λόγον τοῦ Θεοῦ.

Act 13:44  τω Bτε TSAδε ερχομενω σαββατω σχεδον πασα η πολις συνηχθη ακουσαι τον λογον του Aκυριου TSBθεου

Act 13:45 And the Jews, seeing the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and spoke against the things being said by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Act 13:45  ἰδόντες δὲ οἱ ᾿Ιουδαῖοι τοὺς ὄχλους ἐπλήσθησαν ζήλου καὶ ἀντέλεγον τοῖς ὑπὸ τοῦ Παύλου λεγομένοις ἀντιλέγοντες καὶ βλασφημοῦντες.

Act 13:45  ιδοντες δε οι ιουδαιοι τους οχλους επλησθησαν ζηλου και αντελεγον τοις υπο TSBτου παυλου Aλαλουμενοις TSBλεγομενοις TSBαντιλεγοντες TSBκαι βλασφημουντες

Act 13:46 But Paul and Barnabas, speaking boldly said, "It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken to you first; but since you thrust it away, and judge yourselves not worthy of eternal life; behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

Act 13:46  παρρησιασάμενοι δὲ ὁ Παῦλος καὶ ὁ Βαρναβᾶς εἶπον· ὑμῖν ἦν ἀναγκαῖον πρῶτον λαληθῆναι τὸν λόγον τοῦ Θεοῦ· ἐπειδὴ δὲ ἀπωθεῖσθε αὐτὸν καὶ οὐκ ἀξίους κρίνετε ἑαυτοὺς τῆς αἰωνίου ζωῆς, ἰδοὺ στρεφόμεθα εἰς τὰ ἔθνη.

Act 13:46  παρρησιασαμενοι Aτε TSBδε ο παυλος και ο βαρναβας Aειπαν TSBειπον υμιν ην αναγκαιον πρωτον λαληθηναι τον λογον του θεου επειδη TSBδε απωθεισθε αυτον και ουκ αξιους κρινετε εαυτους της αιωνιου ζωης ιδου στρεφομεθα εις τα εθνη

Act 13:47 For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you to be a light of the nations, that you should be for salvation to the end of the earth.' "

Act 13:47  οὕτω γὰρ ἐντέταλται ἡμῖν ὁ Κύριος· τέθεικά σε εἰς φῶς ἐθνῶν τοῦ εἶναί σε εἰς σωτηρίαν ἕως ἐσχάτου τῆς γῆς.

Act 13:47  ουτως γαρ εντεταλται ημιν ο κυριος τεθεικα σε εις φως εθνων του ειναι σε εις σωτηριαν εως εσχατου της γης

Act 13:48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Act 13:48  ἀκούοντα δὲ τὰ ἔθνη ἔχαιρον καὶ ἐδόξαζον τὸν λόγον τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ ἐπίστευσαν ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον·

Act 13:48  ακουοντα δε τα εθνη Bεχαιρεν TSAεχαιρον και εδοξαζον τον λογον του κυριου και επιστευσαν οσοι ησαν τεταγμενοι εις ζωην αιωνιον

Act 13:49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region.

Act 13:49  διεφέρετο δὲ ὁ λόγος τοῦ Κυρίου δι᾿ ὅλης τῆς χώρας.

Act 13:49  διεφερετο δε ο λογος του κυριου δι ολης της χωρας

Act 13:50 But the Jews incited the devout and prominent women and the leading men of the city, and raised up a persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and cast them out from their borders.

Act 13:50  οἱ δὲ ᾿Ιουδαῖοι παρώτρυναν τὰς σεβομένας γυναῖκας καὶ τὰς εὐσχήμονας καὶ τοὺς πρώτους τῆς πόλεως καὶ ἐπήγειραν διωγμὸν ἐπὶ τὸν Παῦλον καὶ τὸν Βαρνάβαν, καὶ ἐξέβαλον αὐτοὺς ἀπὸ τῶν ὁρίων αὐτῶν.

Act 13:50  οι δε ιουδαιοι παρωτρυναν τας σεβομενας γυναικας TSBκαι τας ευσχημονας και τους πρωτους της πολεως και επηγειραν διωγμον επι τον παυλον και TSBτον βαρναβαν και εξεβαλον αυτους απο των οριων αυτων

Act 13:51 But shaking off the dust from their feet against them, they went to Iconium.

Act 13:51  οἱ δὲ ἐκτιναξάμενοι τὸν κονιορτὸν τῶν ποδῶν αὐτῶν ἐπ᾿ αὐτοὺς ἦλθον εἰς ᾿Ικόνιον.

Act 13:51  οι δε εκτιναξαμενοι τον κονιορτον των ποδων TSBαυτων επ αυτους ηλθον εις ικονιον

Act 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Act 13:52  οἵ δὲ μαθηταὶ ἐπληροῦντο χαρᾶς καὶ Πνεύματος ῾Αγίου.

Act 13:52  οι Aτε TSBδε μαθηται επληρουντο χαρας και πνευματος αγιου

 

 

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11/26/17

 

>>Scrip:

None of these who have seen my Glory will enter promised land

 

God showed His glory only to have them disrespect it, and then He rejected them harshly.

 

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how eager to be

Jesus recieved children before they were able to express what direction they might go in life.

 

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Not Playing Games -- Calling people on Their Bluff

12/13/16

>> cheap shots, other sections dealing with avoiding hypocritical “games”

 

Exo 9:27 WEB  Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, "I have sinned this time. Yahweh is righteous, and I and my people are wicked.

Exo 9:27 CAB  And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, I have sinned this time: the Lord is righteous, and I and my people are wicked.

Exo 9:27  ἀποστείλας δὲ Φαραω ἐκάλεσεν Μωυσῆν καὶ Ααρων καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἡμάρτηκα τὸ νῦν· ὁ κύριος δίκαιος, ἐγὼ δὲ καὶ ὁ λαός μου ἀσεβεῖς.

Exo 9:28 Pray to Yahweh; for there has been enough of mighty thunderings and hail. I will let you go, and you shall stay no longer."

Exo 9:28 Pray then for me to the Lord, and let Him cause the thundering of God to cease, and the hail and the fire, and I will send you forth and you shall remain no longer.

Exo 9:28  εὔξασθε οὖν περὶ ἐμοῦ πρὸς κύριον, καὶ παυσάσθω τοῦ γενηθῆναι φωνὰς θεοῦ καὶ χάλαζαν καὶ πῦρ· καὶ ἐξαποστελῶ ὑμᾶς, καὶ οὐκέτι προσθήσεσθε μένειν.

Exo 9:29 Moses said to him, "As soon as I have gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands to Yahweh. The thunders shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that you may know that the earth is Yahweh's.

Exo 9:29 And Moses said to him, When I have departed from the city, I will stretch out my hands to the Lord, and the thundering shall cease, and the hail and the rain shall be no longer, so that you may know that the earth is the Lord's.

Exo 9:29  εἶπεν δὲ αὐτῷ Μωυσῆς Ὡς ἂν ἐξέλθω τὴν πόλιν, ἐκπετάσω τὰς χεῖράς μου πρὸς κύριον, καὶ αἱ φωναὶ παύσονται, καὶ ἡ χάλαζα καὶ ὁ ὑετὸς οὐκ ἔσται ἔτι· ἵνα γνῷς ὅτι τοῦ κυρίου ἡ γῆ.

Exo 9:30 But as for you and your servants, I know that you don't yet fear Yahweh God."

Exo 9:30 But as for you and your servants, I know that you have not yet feared the Lord.

Exo 9:30  καὶ σὺ καὶ οἱ θεράποντές σου ἐπίσταμαι ὅτι οὐδέπω πεφόβησθε τὸν κύριον.

 

>>Scrip:

Jesus: why do you hypocrites test me?

>> TSK

 

Cheap Shots addition:

3/22/16

 

Gen 19:10

note: you are not more merciful than God or his angels!

 

 

 

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12/4/16

 

>> Exo_2:

>> Heb_11:23

 

Act 7:23 CAB  Now when he had turned forty years old, it came into his heart to look upon his brothers, the sons of Israel.

Act 7:23  ῾Ως δὲ ἐπληροῦτο αὐτῷ τεσσερακονταετὴς χρόνος, ἀνέβη ἐπὶ τὴν καρδίαν αὐτοῦ ἐπισκέψασθαι τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραήλ.

Act 7:24 And seeing someone being wronged, he retaliated, and avenged him who was being oppressed, and struck the Egyptian.

Act 7:24  καὶ ἰδών τινα ἀδικούμενον ἠμύνατο, καὶ ἐποίησεν ἐκδίκησιν τῷ καταπονουμένῳ πατάξας τὸν Αἰγύπτιον.

Act 7:25 For he supposed that his brothers understood that God was giving to them deliverance by his hand, but they did not understand.

Act 7:25  ἐνόμιζε δὲ συνιέναι τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ ὅτι ὁ Θεὸς διὰ χειρὸς αὐτοῦ δίδωσιν αὐτοῖς σωτηρίαν· οἱ δὲ οὐ συνῆκαν.

Act 7:26 And on the next day he appeared to them as they were fighting, and tried to reconcile them to peace, saying, 'Men, you are brothers; why do you wrong one another?'

Act 7:26  τῇ τε ἐπιούσῃ ἡμέρᾳ ὤφθη αὐτοῖς μαχομένοις, καὶ συνήλλασσεν αὐτοὺς εἰς εἰρήνην εἰπών· ἄνδρες, ἀδελφοί ἐστε ὑμεῖς· ἵνα τί ἀδικεῖτε ἀλλήλους;

Act 7:27 "But the one wronging his neighbor pushed him away, saying, 'Who appointed you a ruler and a judge over us?

Act 7:27  ὁ δὲ ἀδικῶν τὸν πλησίον ἀπώσατο αὐτὸν εἰπών· τίς σε κατέστησεν ἄρχοντα καὶ δικαστὴν ἐφ᾿ ἡμῶν;

Act 7:28 'Do you desire to kill me in the way that you did the Egyptian yesterday?'

Act 7:28  μὴ ἀνελεῖν με σὺ θέλεις ὃν τρόπον ἀνεῖλες χθὲς τὸν Αἰγύπτιον;

Act 7:29 Now Moses, at this saying, fled and became a stranger in the land of Midian, where he begot two sons.

Act 7:29  ἔφυγε δὲ Μωϋσῆς ἐν τῷ λόγῳ τούτῳ καὶ ἐγένετο πάροικος ἐν γῇ Μαδιάμ, οὗ ἐγέννησεν υἱοὺς δύο.

 

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11/26/16

 

1Pe 3:15 CAB   But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be prepared with a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

1Pe 3:15  Κύριον δὲ τὸν Θεὸν ἁγιάσατε ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν, ἕτοιμοι δὲ ἀεὶ πρὸς ἀπολογίαν παντὶ τῷ αἰτοῦντι ὑμᾶς λόγον περὶ τῆς ἐν ὑμῖν ἐλπίδος μετὰ πρᾳότητος καὶ φόβου,

1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that in what they speak against you as evildoers, those reviling your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame.

1Pe 3:16  συνείδησιν ἔχοντες ἀγαθήν, ἵνα ἐν ᾧ καταλαλοῦσιν ὑμῶν ὡς κακοποιῶν, καταισχυνθῶσιν οἱ ἐπηρεάζοντες ὑμῶν τὴν ἀγαθὴν ἐν Χριστῷ ἀναστροφήν.

 

Critical words to distinguish upon:

(1) be ready

(2) defense / apologetics

(3) giving a word / answer

 

>> compare &

Sharply contrast this with proverbs

Which says,

Someone is into folly and foolishness if the answer a word before hearing

>> if someone is answering your word before you get a chance to give it, then this brings us back around to the cheap shots Bible study

 

There is also something in the word for apologetics

This is the word which is used when Paul is on trial and he is given an official and legal opportunity to give a fall defense for his lifestyle

 

If someone does not give you a full chance to get of a full legal defense for your hope and lifestyle and conduct, then this scripture does not encourage you to have anything to do with that

 

and in the case of the mock trial against Jesus at night,

Notice that he said that they would not answer him if he asked

And then they commanded him to be struck on the mouth

In this case, they are not actually allowing him to have a full answer for his life style without the striking him before he gets to say everything that he’s supposed to say

 

So if someone is being a brute beast, that is someone without a word like Jude warns of the end-times, then we are not in a position to take them seriously…

 

Giving a word where a word is not being heard is outside the scope of being ready to give a word to those who truly and honestly and rationally (logos-ly) ask for a word and are prepared to listen to it

 

 

Rhetorical prejudice -- already made up his mind

 

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4/22/16

Mat_21:33, Luk_20, etc. – leasing out a vineyard (not: vinyard)

Gen 29 – jacob assumed the best for Laban, and only afterward did he go away

how much should we assume the worst for people and try to avaoid the "Labans" which heaven has assigned to our life?

Joseph tells his dreams

Isa_63:5

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The Problem

Job 30:26 WEB When I looked for good, then evil came; When I waited for light, there came darkness.

Job 30:26 CAB But I, when I waited for good things, behold, days of evils came upon me all the more.

Job 30:26  ἐγὼ δὲ ἐπέχων ἀγαθοῖς, ἰδοὺ συνήντησάν μοι μᾶλλον ἡμέραι κακῶν.

TSK: ...Jer_8:15, Jer_14:19, Jer_15:18,...

But the innocent thing to do is to be like Moses: he thought that they would understand, but they pushed him away from him...

Should we maintain this innocence, as children?

Or should we learn to be more wise with outsiders?

Is this what Jesus was saying when he said, be as shrewd a serpent's?

And if Jesus was closed to so many people, how the children ever seem to like him so much?

We have examples like Abraham, who said surely the fear of god is not in this place.

He was very close to indeed.

And then we also have examples like Lott, who assumed to the best for Sodom, until God showed him in must surely be destroyed.

Paul preached openly, to but somehow he maintained eagerness and readiness to sharply rebuke when blasphemers contradicted him.

Sometimes Jesus did not answer people, other times he even ignored them!

And yet other times he spoke with eagerness and openness, and rebuked perverts when they opened their mouth.

All day long I have stretched out my hand to a gainsaying and disobedient people

He is kind to the ungrateful

God seems to invite the hospitality and reception of his goodness, and at the same time, opens himself up to be hurt and wrathful and angry at the prolonged disobedience and rejection of rich and complacent sinful people.

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Beyond Judging the Church

> add: Cheapshots

> add: "Questionnaire" (from Ryan email)

“Another thing I would like to understand...where did Jesus or the apostles tell someone to fill out a questionnaire before offering help with some questions?”

Ryan Aschenbrenner

10:39pm 3/12/15

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8/6/16

Pro_26:5 WEB  Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Pro_26:5 LB But answer a fool according to his folly, lest he seem wise in his own eyes.

Pro_26:5  ἀλλὰ ἀποκρίνου ἄφρονι κατὰ τὴν ἀφροσύνην αὐτοῦ, ἵνα μὴ φαίνηται σοφὸς παρ᾿ ἑαυτῷ.

Pro_26:6 WEB  One who sends a message by the hand of a fool is cutting off feet and drinking violence.

Pro_26:6 He that sends a message by a foolish messenger procures for himself a reproach from his own ways.

Pro_26:6  ἐκ τῶν ἑαυτοῦ ποδῶν ὄνειδος πίεται ὁ ἀποστείλας δι᾿ ἀγγέλου ἄφρονος λόγον.

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Gen_43:6  Israel said, "Why did you treat me so badly, telling the man that you had another brother?"

43:6  And Israel said, Why did you harm me, inasmuch as you told the man that you had a brother?

43:7  They said, "The man asked directly concerning ourselves, and concerning our relatives, saying, 'Is your father still alive? Have you another brother?' We just answered his questions. Is there any way we could know that he would say, 'Bring your brother down?' "

43:7  And they said, The man closely questioned us about our family also, saying, Does your father yet live, and have you a brother? And we answered him according to this question: did we know that he would say to us, Bring your brother?

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Cheapshots -- Abstaining from everyone's evil (pig-like actions) without necisarily Judging them

Beyond judging the church

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12/20/14

'Let your gentleness (yealding-upon) be known to all men', but don't actually do this 'gentle' yielding to heretics or those who are proud and exalted: Gal: 'to whom we did not yield even for an hr... For the sake of truth'

> combine this with other refs about how an overseer is supposed to be gentle to those who will listen to him instruct them and reject those who outright choose heresy.

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12/7/14

When is it OK for A Younger Person to Harshly Confront and reject an older person

Moses: you will kill all of them, young and old...

> the census was of those 20 years old and older...

Gideon wanted his youthful son to shame and kill the older enemy...

Let him who is spiritual restore such a one

> on one hand, many young and ignorant people are foolish enough to disrespect older people with more value to them, but on the other hand, this passage does not say, "let him who is old restore..." but "him who is spiritual", whether they be young or old

Jesus boldly rebuked the Pharisees, many of whom were surely older than Him

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other date; 10/2/14

...I will raise up Judges for you, as at the first

Rev_2: – cannot bear those who are evil – both general and church-specific judging

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5/4/14

Rom_16:17-19, etc.

Rom_16:18 - BBS: SOM: DO (as a slave!)

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12/3/14

Jch

Who is qualified to judge?

Sp man judges all

Let him who is sp retore..

No judge acording to sight

Judge rightous judgement

You have tested those who claim to be apostles...

Pro: The poor discerns the ritch

When they thought to judge Jesus, He did not recoeve their false pretense to do so...

So who is qualified?

Paul: I have already judged...

Those who are aproved by us

If any do not obey us, Note that man

> those who obey Paul

8/10/13

Sir 9:14-18 Brenton  As near as thou canst, guess at thy neighbour, and consult with the wise.  15  Let thy talk be with the wise, and all thy communication in the law of the most High.  16  And let just men eat and drink with thee; and let thy glorying be in the fear of the Lord.  17  For the hand of the artificer the work shall be commended: and the wise ruler of the people for his speech.  18  A man of an ill tongue is dangerous in his city; and he that is rash in his talk shall be hated.

Sir 9:14-18 Greek  κατὰ τὴν ἰσχύν σου στόχασαι τοὺς πλησίον καὶ μετὰ σοφῶν συμβουλεύου.  15  μετὰ συνετῶν ἔστω ὁ διαλογισμός σου καὶ πᾶσα διήγησίς σου ἐν νόμῳ ὑψίστου.  16  ἄνδρες δίκαιοι ἔστωσαν σύνδειπνοί σου, καὶ ἐν φόβῳ κυρίου ἔστω τὸ καύχημά σου.  17  ἐν χειρὶ τεχνιτῶν ἔργον ἐπαινεσθήσεται, καὶ ὁ ἡγούμενος λαοῦ σοφὸς ἐν λόγῳ αὐτοῦ.  18  φοβερὸς ἐν πόλει αὐτοῦ ἀνὴρ γλωσσώδης, καὶ ὁ προπετὴς ἐν λόγῳ αὐτοῦ μισηθήσεται.

> ROW/ Judge  CH

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Bbs: JCH

4/26/14

"let no one despise you" this command forces and overseer to necisarily excummunicate the entire church today, because nearly every single rich American is absurdly adicted to desising weak poor young leaders of self-denyal!

BBS: JCH – Heretics are choosing

3/31/14

Mayybe partly??:

Hos 8:4  They have set up kings, but not by me. They have made princes, and I didn't approve. Of their silver and their gold they have made themselves idols, that they may be cut off.

Hos 8:4  They have made kings for themselves, but not by Me: they have ruled, but they did not make it known to Me: of their silver and their gold they have made images to themselves, that they might be destroyed.

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Tit 1:12-13  There said a certain one of them, a prophet of their own, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, idle gluttons."  (13)  This testimony is true; for which cause rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

Tit 1:12-13  εἶπέ τις ἐξ αὐτῶν ἴδιος αὐτῶν προφήτης· Κρῆτες ἀεὶ ψεῦσται, κακὰ θηρία, γαστέρες ἀργαί.  (13)  ἡ μαρτυρία αὕτη ἐστὶν ἀληθής. δι᾿ ἣν αἰτίαν ἔλεγχε αὐτοὺς ἀποτόμως, ἵνα ὑγιαίνωσιν ἐν τῇ πίστει,

BBS: JCH – Judging church update -- Bless Flesh Anyway

first compiled: 3/23/11; 7/3/13 (Deu_2:4-8)

Tamar raising up children for wicked husband

Heb_11:20 – Isack still blessed Esau

Deu_2:4-8 CAB  And command the people, saying, You are going through the borders of your brethren the children of Esau, who dwell in Seir; and they shall fear you, and dread you greatly.  5  Do not engage in war against them, for I will not give you of their land even enough to set your foot upon, for I have given Mount Seir to the children of Esau as an inheritance.  6  Buy food from them for money, and eat, and you shall receive water from them by measure for money, and drink.  7  For the Lord our God has blessed you in every work of your hands. Consider how you went through that great and terrible wilderness — behold, the Lord your God has been with you for forty years; you did not lack anything.  8  And we passed by our brethren the children of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, by the way of Arabah from Elath and from Ezion Geber; and we turned and passed by the way of the desert of Moab.

I think i already did all of these things......

should age affect the harshness of  judging? - 1ti5... OT: do not spare yong or old...

Bbs: false prophets are guilty of willful murder:

Mic 3 –  teath/ pulling the skin off of God's people; lying in wait to decieve; as ravenous wolves...; etc

BBS: JCH – fb Refs...

5/17/14

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YOU ((( SHALL ))) KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS, FOR A GOOD TREE CANNOT BEAR BAD FRUIT, NOR CAN A BAD TREE BEAR GOOD FRUIT. MAT 7:18.

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PROVERBS 28:5.

Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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1 COR 2:15.

But he that is spiritual judges "" ALL ""things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

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PSALMS 37:30.

The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

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MAT 7:5.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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1 COR 6:2.

DO YE NOT KNOW THAT THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD? AND IF THE WORLD SHALL BE JUDGED BY YOU, ARE YE UNWORTHY TO JUDGE THE SMALLEST MATTERS ?

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1 COR 6:3.

KNOW YE NOT THAT WE SHALL JUDGE ANGELS ? HOW MUCH MORE THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO THIS LIFE ?

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JOHN 7:24.

JUDGE NOT ACCORDING TO THE APPEARANCE, BUT JUDGE A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT.

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((( GOD EXPECTS US TO JUDGE )))

"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

"Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.

Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8: "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." People have refused to judge, so there is no peace.

Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to ". . . be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service.

Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should. Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5) If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to JUDGE PEOPLE.

If judging people is wrong, how can we obey Romans 16:17-18? II Corinthians 6:17? II Timothy 3:5-6? I John 4:1? Friend, if judging is wrong, then God has contradicted Himself and His words cannot be trusted!

Notice Malachi 3:18: "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." WOW! Does that sound like it is wrong to judge?

Rev_2:2

What about Revelation 2:2? " I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:" Why would the Lord be pleased with these Christians if judging was wrong? Is it not impossible to find someone a "liar" without judging them?

If the Bible is clear about anything, it is clear about the importance of judging on a regular basis in order to properly serve and honor God. To ignore this fact is to ignore all of the Scripture just presented and also the rest of the Bible. God expects us to judge.

((( GOD'S RULES FOR JUDGING )))

Now I do not wish to imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word. Here follow seven good rules from Scripture:

((( JUDGE SCRIPTURALLY )))

Isaiah 8:20 says, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Our standard is God's word, not our feelings, our traditions, or our opinions. Right and wrong should always be determined by God's word.

((( DON'T JUDGE WHEN GOD'S WORD IS SILENT )))

If God's word is silent about a subject, then you may not have to judge at all. Don't rush to judgment on an issue when the Bible says very little or is silent about it. Don't make more of a matter than God makes of it. A good example of this is found in Colossians 2:16: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" That is, these are not subjects of great importance today, so let's not make these great issues of judgment.

((( PRAY FOR GOOD JUDGEMENT ABILITY )))

When Solomon received his kingdom he asked God to "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" (I Kings 3:9) James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." We should pray for good judgment ability.

((( DON'T RESPECT ANYONE )))

Proverbs 24:23 says, "These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Treat all parties fairly without favoring anyone, such as family members or friends. A truly fair judge is blind and deaf to any outer influence. (Isa. 42:1, 19-21)

((( JUDGE IN TRUTH )))

Do not judge another when you do not have all the relevant facts. Jeremiah 5:1 says, "Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it." A true judge is one who seeks the truth. If you must judge, be sure and get all the facts. A Japanese proverb says to "search seven times before you judge."

((( JUDGE MERCIFULLY )))

Remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Has God not been very merciful to you, even though you deserved it not? Likewise, you should exercise mercy toward others.

((( DON'T FORGET TO JUDGE YOURSELF )))

I Corinthians 11:30-31: "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged." If you are a true Christian, then you belong to God. You are God's child. If you refuse to judge and improve yourself as a child of God, then God will take it upon Himself to judge you. Many of the troubles that we face in life are nothing more than God's way of judging us since we often neglect to judge ourselves.

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Recognizing Bad Judging

6/18/13-6/20/13; 1/23/17

 

No Judging

Exo22

 

- Jas: judging bro = judging the law, - Paul?: who are you to judge another man's servent (i.e. going outside of your jurisdiction -- whereas open sin IS in the realm of all the world's social accountability!!) - 1co4

Mat_7:1, ect.

Rom_2:1, etc.

- Paul had just spent the last half of chapter 1 denouncing and condemning the common guilt of paganism, and he declared harsh judgments of unbearable guilt upon the perverts who sin in this way.

- mindless people assume that all determining guilt is condemned here, but THEY IGNORE THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT PAUL JUST GOT DONE DETERMINING GUILT AND CONDEMNING THE PAGANS WITH HARSH WORDS INDEED!!!

- Whatever Paul is coming against obviously has to be something other than what he JUST DID!!! (i.e. they are without any words to excuse/ defend themselves)

- based on (διὸ) committing the same sins as mentioned in CH 1 (see CH 1, 2:1, 2:3)

- being/judging as a “man” instead of surpassing flesh beliefs

>> find: Google: TC mear men

- “every one that judges” = “every [oh man] that judges” – not incl. Angels, the Bible, God, righteous people (i.e. those who actually have faith and deny themselves in preference to righteous judgment)

- bad judgment = lying (v.2), since it disagrees with God’s judgment – according to TRUTH

- if bad judging is going on, it has to be done by a fleshly pervert human and they have to be lying somehow (although this happens on a constant basis, perverts wait and only complain when someone agrees with God to say that “judging” is going on).

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Jesus: judge w righteous judgment / as I hear, I judge

Qualities of Bad Judgment

- “oh man” – done by a flesh ball instead of a spiritual person

- hypocrisy/ the judger is living in sin himself: “you do the same things…do you commit adultery?” (i.e. maybe not that of the flesh, but according to the SOM, the adultery of the heart, now that believing Jews are under the higher standard of the New Covenant)

- judgment of hidden motives, which are out of his jurisdiction

Most church people love to take cheap shots by profaning these Scriptures which they themselves break! If someone generically gets up and lays forth judgment, everyone automatically assumes that the speaker is “judging” like the Bible says not to, but this is hypocrisy and perversion and a profaning of the Scriptures.

By the way: there is a such thing as prophecy and discernment!

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3/31/13

"Letting People Perish; Consigning people to Hell" ...

- "Anathema"

- dust off your feet

- Peter to Simon

- you have judged yourselves unworthy of eternal life...

- Paul still spoke of them w tears

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Judging the church, and being Separate from the Rest of the World' -- or should this segway into WoW

5/11/12

>> update 2Co_6 from sticking/ yoking!!!

>> get also the Sirach passage

>> “open rebuke” (Pro_27:5)

Should Age Affect The Harshness Of  Judging?

- 1ti5... but consider…

- OT: do not spare yong or old...

5/20/12

Difficult Considerations –  Should believers eat with unbelievers?

Sir_13: says not to eat/ be with a proud/ mighty man

2Co_6: says not to yoke/ stick/ touch in a modifying way with unbelievers

Act_10: says eating is sticking, and he is only eating because they are clean

Jesus and Thes say let them be as unbelievers…

But Corinthians says, “if you are invited to a [meal]… eat what is set before you”

Asking nothing for conscious sake

See below for:

Don’t Play Games Of Making Up Motives for Other people’s Hearts

(1/4/12-1/5/12)

12/8/11

(1) If it were not that I respected the presence of the king of Judea I would not even look upon you

(2) is it right for you to help those who hate God?

Add: no help sin

Do Not Help Sin – Common Accountability that Goes Beyond the church

11/1/11; 12/8/11

Note: unlike “Judging The Church,” these standards fully affect Family in every way

Num_25:5 CAB  And Moses said to the tribes of Israel, Every one of you kill his friend [NETS = family-member] that is consecrated to Baal of Peor.

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remove the evil person... includes family

Lev 19:17-18 CAB  You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, so you shall not bear sin on his account.  18  And your hand shall not avenge you; and you shall not be angry with the children of your people; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord

Practice reasons to generally disconnect with dead Weight in your Life

- bad company cirrupts...

- go from the presence of a foolish man...

- a wise person loaths to even hear or look at a perverted and wicked person, particularly wheb they caim to be associated with truth

The frame of your life will be in more peace if you cut empty, nonesence connections out of your life

Call to action

- change your phone number

- how to disconnect people from face book

> also add AL notes

What makes Heresy?

10/8/11

- Find basic heresies - Jesus said that heresies come from within and Paul put them on the sin list

- basic heresies include excluding those sent by Jesus according to 2Jn/ 3Jn

- "if they rejct you they reject Me"

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Greek:...

Galatians - saying flesh is a means of righteousness

Saying you can live in sin and go to heaven - see sin lists for al of these

Being soulish

Sexual imoraity, incuding dating

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Overseer Must be able to convict...

No wonder we are in such a mess when virtually none of our pastors qualify this way!

- Don’t Interview ahead of time or suppose where people are at

To Do

Add references where Paul specifically names people

Include how this ties into authority vs. ‘we cannot know this’ and ‘we cannot judge that’

Judging the Worthiness of Time-Investment!

This is not just if you withdraw, but if you will even spend the time to talk to them!

- Jesus teaching in the house

- Jesus did not have time for the Greeks

- Peter passing along the road

Name Calling

It is astonishing to me that while the Bible repeatedly calls people harsh and derogatory names, there are stil people who have the nerve and lawlessness to teach that "name calling" is somehow "unchristian." When are we going to repent of our own filthy human opinions and rebellious moraity and submit to the dictates of thw Words of God?

- sons of Baial

- pro Fool

- sons of the devil

-Jesus: "snakes, fools, blind guides..."

- Paul: you son of all mistif...

- wolves... Snakes... Brute mindless beasts

- vile/ despised people

Need to Add

Come against wow as me doctrines

4. We can know Salvation (Election?)

What do you say when people ask you if you are saved. I always get confused about what to say. I feel that I can be truly sure at the end when we have endured the whole race.

> Ultimatly they really mean: "Are you evangelical?"

> Redirect the terminology:

"I'm going after Jesus"

"I'm doing all I can to folow Jesus..."

> "Saved" or "Born Again" means something different in our churched culture than it does in Joh_3:3-8.

But we can know:

1Jn_3:14

1Jn_5:13

1Co_9:27

2Co_13:5-6

2Pe_1:10

(See 2Pe_1:3-11)

Get Sealed:

Joh_14:17

Eph_1:13-14

Don’t Turn Away from Own Flesh

~1999-2009; …12/14/15; 4/22/16; 2/8/17

 

 

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8/13/18

 

Johnathan stayed with Saul even After Saul was Evil

>> Sync: Lov | JCH | OUC

 

 

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12/18/17

 

Deu_13: -- don’t stone/strike father or mother

>> i.e. don’t remove the evil parent from your midst

 

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11/14/17

 

Deu 23:7 WEB  You shall not abhor an Edomite; for he is your brother: you shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you lived as a foreigner in his land.

Deu 23:7 LB  You shall not abhor an Edomite, because he is your brother; you shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a stranger in his land.

Deu 23:7  (23:8) οὐ βδελύξῃ Ιδουμαῖον, ὅτι ἀδελφός σού ἐστιν· οὐ βδελύξῃ Αἰγύπτιον, ὅτι πάροικος ἐγένου ἐν τῇ γῇ αὐτοῦ·

>> TSK

 

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>> put w story of Lot

 

Gen 32:22

 

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1/13/17

 

Exo 32:26 WEB  then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, "Whoever is on Yahweh's side, come to me!" All the sons of Levi gathered themselves together to him.

Exo 32:26 LB then Moses stood at the gate of the camp, and said, “Who is on the Lord's side? Let him come to me.” Then all the sons of Levi came to him.

Exo 32:26  ἔστη δὲ Μωυσῆς ἐπὶ τῆς πύλης τῆς παρεμβολῆς καὶ εἶπεν Τίς πρὸς κύριον; ἴτω πρός με. συνῆλθον οὖν πρὸς αὐτὸν πάντες οἱ υἱοὶ Λευι.

Exo 32:27 WEB  He said to them, "Thus says Yahweh, the God of Israel, 'Every man put his sword on his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and every man kill his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.' "

Exo 32:27 And he said to them, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let every man put his sword on his thigh, and go through and return from gate to gate through the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his neighbor, and every man that is nearest to him.’”

Exo 32:27  καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς Τάδε λέγει κύριος ὁ θεὸς Ισραηλ Θέσθε ἕκαστος τὴν ἑαυτοῦ ῥομφαίαν ἐπὶ τὸν μηρὸν καὶ διέλθατε καὶ ἀνακάμψατε ἀπὸ πύλης ἐπὶ πύλην διὰ τῆς παρεμβολῆς καὶ ἀποκτείνατε ἕκαστος τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν πλησίον αὐτοῦ καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν ἔγγιστα αὐτοῦ.

Exo 32:28 WEB  The sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

Exo 32:28 And the sons of Levi did as Moses spoke to them, and there fell of the people in that day to the number of three thousand men.

Exo 32:28  καὶ ἐποίησαν οἱ υἱοὶ Λευι καθὰ ἐλάλησεν αὐτοῖς Μωυσῆς, καὶ ἔπεσαν ἐκ τοῦ λαοῦ ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ εἰς τρισχιλίους ἄνδρας.

Exo 32:29 WEB  Moses said, "Consecrate yourselves today to Yahweh, yes, every man against his son, and against his brother; that he may bestow on you a blessing this day."

Exo 32:29 And Moses said to them, “You have filled your hands this day to the Lord, each one on his son or on his brother, so that blessing should be given to you.”

Exo 32:29  καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Μωυσῆς Ἐπληρώσατε τὰς χεῖρας ὑμῶν σήμερον κυρίῳ, ἕκαστος ἐν τῷ υἱῷ ἢ τῷ ἀδελφῷ, δοθῆναι ἐφ᾿ ὑμᾶς εὐλογίαν.

 

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7/2/16

Isa 58:7 KJV+  Is it notH3808 to dealH6536 thy breadH3899 to the hungry,H7457 and that thou bringH935 the poorH6041 that are cast outH4788 to thy house?H1004 whenH3588 thou seestH7200 the naked,H6174 that thou coverH3680 him; and that thou hide not thyselfH5956 H3808 from thine own flesh?H4480 H1320

Isa 58:7 LB Break your bread to the hungry, and lead the unsheltered poor to your house; if you see one naked, clothe him, and you shall not disregard the relations of your own seed.

Isa 58:7  διάθρυπτε πεινῶντι τὸν ἄρτον σου καὶ πτωχοὺς ἀστέγους εἴσαγε εἰς τὸν οἶκόν σου· ἐὰν ἴδῃς γυμνόν, περίβαλε, καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν οἰκείων τοῦ σπέρματός σου οὐχ ὑπερόψῃ.

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5/7/16

God commands children of Israel through Moses not to hurt an Edomite / Moabite / Ammonite

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Gen 29:14 – As Jacob was to Laban/Rachel

As Jacob was to Esau

As Jonathan was to King Saul

You Shall Not Despise An Edomite, *Becase He Is Your Brother*

Deu 23:7 WEB  You shall not abhor an Edomite; for he is your brother: you shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you lived as a foreigner in his land.

>> get many other passages, incl. Num_20:14, Oba_1:10-12, Mal_1:2

1. Cane and Able Gen 4:8

2. Jacob & Esau Gen 33:1-11

3. Isaac & Ishmael Gen 25:3-9

4. Prophet Jehu unto Jehoshaphat 2Ch 19:2

5. Example of Ahab & Jehoshaphat 1Ki 22:8 and 2Ch 18:7 or 1Ki

22:1-8

Deut 13:5-18

Deut 18:9-12, 20

- Jonathan with Disagreeable Saul

Matt 5:31-32

Matt 19:4-6

1Co 5

1Co 7:10-15

1Ti_5: – includes father in laws - whoever does not provide is worse than an unbeliever

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5/24/12

Honor/ add value to/ don’t speak evil of… father and Mother

Lev_20:9, Exo_21:17, Deu_27:16, Pro_20:20, Pro_30:11, Pro_30:17, Eze_22:7, Mat_15:4, Mar_7:10

1Ti_1:9

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Gen:

Isack and Ishmael, and Jcob and Esaw

>> These were allowed to love their family, though God had hated them

But to Jehosaphat God says by the prophet:

Is it right for you to Love those whom God has hated?

Only one reason a wife may not be with husband: fornication

If the unbeliever departs: This presumes that you undaerstand that only an unbeliever would ever "depart." Not even adultery will allow one to depart without admiting that they were and unbeliever.

So also, niether a wife nor a daughter, for example, may leave the man whom they are under, nor a husband his wife. As God constantly affirms, "Do not turn away from your own flesh" (Isa 58)

2 men in one bed. 1 taken, the other left

History:

1st = appended from Denis Letter; 2nd = Original Bible study

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How Jesus causes division in Families

How can two walk together unless they are agreed?

Jer - I sat alone

Jesus - Brothers despised Him, so He would not go with them to the feast

Jesus, after all, did come to bring a sword and not peace

But we must not turn away from our own flesh

even though it is unavoidable that the Gospel does cause division in families, still, we have this command: "as much as it depends upon you, live at peace with all men"

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if not:

worse than an unbeliver

repay parents

do not make the word of God of no affect because you claim to be doing it for God

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Future Additions:

Judging in 1 Corinthians

1Co_4:5 - κρινετεG2919 V-PAM-2P

1Co_5:3 - κεκρικαG2919 V-RAI-1S

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God commands us to recognize that some people are worthless “sons of beliel”

>> compare with: treat as tax collecters

Old

Tit_3:10-11 MKJV  After the first and second warning, reject a man of heresy,  11  knowing that he who is such has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

Psa_101:4 KJ2000  A perverse heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.

> compare LXX: not cleave

 

A Cessational Withdrawal

 

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

8/20/06; 1/16/10

 

Withdrawal

 

 

 

We are commanded to Jusdge those in the church on these matters of heresy:

www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/Judging_The_Church.htm

Why Specifically

It is departing from the primitive and basic faith of Jesus and the Bible to teach that any of the gifts have passed away:

www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/FAQs.html#Gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit

 

(You are not to forbid them and they are biblical ect.)

 

 

 

Bind over to saten:

~2001-2004; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

 

1CO 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. [2] And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? [3] Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. [4] When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, [5] hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

 

    1CO 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? [7] Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. [8] Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

 

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2CO 2:5 If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you, to some extent--not to put it too severely. [6] The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. [7] Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. [8] I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. [9] The reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything. [10] If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And what I have forgiven--if there was anything to forgive--I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, [11] in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

 

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1TI 1:18 .... fight the good fight, [19] holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. [20] Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

 

 

Don’t Associate With Unrepentant Church People

Josiahs Scott · 4/15/04; 4/18/04 (Word: Modified); 3/4/17 (recompiled)

 

Withdrawal from the disorderly

2Th 3:4 KJVA  We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you both do and will do the things we command. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

14-15  And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.  15  Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

 

Reject

Tit 3:10-11 MKJV  After the first and second warning, reject a man of heresy,  11  knowing that he who is such has been perverted, and sins, being self-condemned.

 

 

Treat as Tax Collector (Corporate “Binding”)

Mat 16:19 WEB  I will give to you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; and whatever you release on earth will be released in heaven."

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Mat 18:15-20 MKJV-Based  But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.  16  But if he will not hear you, take one or two more with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.  17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen1482 [‘gentile’] and a tax-collector.  [NIV: “…treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”] 18  Truly I say to you, Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven; and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.  19  Again I say to you that if two of you shall agree on earth as regarding anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them by My Father in Heaven.  20  For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.

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Judge/disassociate/hand over to satan

1Co 5:1-7 EMTV  It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles… 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather grieved, so that he who did this deed would be removed from your midst… 3  For I… have already judged… him who has done this deed… 

4 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,  5  deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.6  Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7  Purge out the old leaven…

 

5:9-6:10 I wrote to you in my epistle not to associate with fornicators. 10  Yet I certainly did not mean with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world!  11  But now I write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous person, or an idolater, or abusive person, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a person.  12  For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?  13  But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person." 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,  10  nor covetous, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor abusive people, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

(You should read all of 1Cor 5 threw 6:10)

 

false doctrine

1Ti 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

4  He is proud, knowing nothing, but Has a sick appetite  about questions and strifes of words, of which come envy, strife, railings, evil suspicions,  5  Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that godliness is a means of gain: withdraw yourself from such. (KJV-Based)

 

The Servant of the Lord

2Ti 2:24-26 KJVA  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,  25  In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;  26  And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

 

 

Rom 16:17-18 KJVA  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  18  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

(and conversely see: )

 

 

 

2Jo 1:8-11 MKJV  Look to yourselves, so that we may not lose those things which we worked out, but that we may receive a full reward.  9  Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.  10  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting5463 [or “farewell,” or “rejoice,” or “God speed”] to him.  11  For he who speaks a greeting5463 to him is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

 

Word Devour Excerpts

6/20/02 (original title: Word Devour 1 “Judge”); 3/13/17 (excerpts recompiled)

 

 

Author and Date

Paul is the author of 1st Corinthians and even most of the stubborn liberal annalists will say this about the book.  It is especially emphesised because it is stated twice, ( I Cor 1:1-2, and 16:21 ).  Some scholars get specific enough to say that the epistle was written in the spring of 56 A.D. .

 

Original Audience

When Paul wrote this epistle to the Corinthians, this Church was about 4 years old. The founding of the church is recorded in Acts 18:1-18.  Corinth was a very big and busy city full of trade and lots of multicultural interaction, but even more than this it was famous for its extreme immorality.

 

Immediate Context

The meaning within this verse is to specifically describe the areas in which it is appropriate to judge.  Though the KJV’s literality and the Greek definitions make it slightly hard to catch, it is commonly agreed that this is in reference to “those inside the church…[and] those outside,” (NIV). [John Wesley said the same thing about this verse].

 

Personal application

Coming from a church back round that was especially steeped in what I call Grace perversion, it was especially shocking to read that the Bible actually instructs us to judge people inside the church.  For some reason this doctrine is particularly offensive since most churched people have it in their mind that Christians are to only abide by the verses that tell how not to judge and not vice versa.  This is why I have purposed to be all the more zealous to propagate the Truths that men have wrongly neglected.  This verse helps me to tear down the false hippy image of Jesus and the church.  It is a debunker of false notions of Love that hold that Love is always nice.  It liberates me from doctrinal lies, so that I can make proper judgments of whom to avoid and not yoke with.

 

 

Broad Context

Mainly I think of how it relates to other scriptures:

(The words in Italics are my comments)

 

These verses are the ones that people are happy to Quote:

Mat 7:1  Judge2919 not3361, that3363, 0 ye be2919, 0 not3363 judged2919.

 

Here are the important excerpts pertaining to the subject, surrounding this verse:

 

 

>> NIV > CAB

 

1Co 4:4  For1063 I know4894 nothing3762 by myself1683; yet235 am I1344, 0 not3756 hereby1722, 5129 justified1344: but1161 he that judgeth350 me3165 is2076 the Lord2962. know: or, I am not conscious of any fault

 

5  Therefore5620 judge2919 nothing3361, 5100 before4253 the time2540, until2193, 302 the Lord2962 come2064, who3739 both2532 will bring to light5461 the hidden things2927 of darkness4655, and2532 will make manifest5319 the counsels1012 of the hearts2588: and2532 then5119 shall every man1538 have1096 praise1868 of575 God2316.

 It’s hard because the Scriptures that say to judge and the ones that say not to use the same word in Greek. Thankfully this one is written right before he talks about how to judge so we can be sure that the Bible is not contradicting its self. Even more, this whole chunk of scripture shows the difference between bad judging and right judging, so that even though he uses the same words to say both, he differentiates by context and application.  This one shows that we should not judge the motivations of peoples hearts. As follows, He instructs us to judge actions.

1Co 5:3  For1063 I1473 verily3303, as5613 absent548 in body4983, but1161 present3918 in spirit4151, have judged2919 already2235, as5613 though I were present3918, him that hath2716, 0 so3779 done2716 this deed5124, judged: or, determined

[I have ommited “have judged Concerning” because it is not in the greek and it changes the meaning].

1Co 5:9  I wrote1125 unto you5213 in1722 an epistle1992 not3361 to company4874 with fornicators4205:

1Co 5:10  Yet2532 not3756 altogether3843 with the fornicators4205 of this5127 world2889, or2228 with the covetous4123, or2228 extortioners727, or2228 with idolaters1496; for1893 then686 must ye needs3784 go1831 out of1537 the world2889.

1Co 5:11  But1161 now3570 I have written1125 unto you5213 not3361 to keep company4874, if1437 any man5100 that is called3687 a brother80 be2228 a fornicator4205, or2228 covetous4123, or2228 an idolater1496, or2228 a railer3060, or2228 a drunkard3183, or2228 an extortioner727; with such an one5108 no not3366 to eat4906.

1Co 5:12  For1063 what5101 have I3427 to do to judge2919 them also2532 that are without1854? do2919, 0 not3780 ye5210 judge2919 them that are within2080?

1Co 5:13  But1161 them that are without1854 God2316 judgeth2919. Therefore2532 put away1808 from1537 among yourselves5216 that846 wicked person4190.

1Co 6:1  Dare5111 any5100 of you5216, having2192 a matter4229 against4314 another2087, go to law2919 before1909 the unjust94, and2532 not3780 before1909 the saints40?

1Co 6:2  Do ye1492, 0 not3756 know1492 that3754 the saints40 shall judge2919 the world2889? and2532 if1487 the world2889 shall be judged2919 by1722 you5213, are ye2075 unworthy370 to judge2922 the smallest matters1646?

1Co 6:3  Know ye1492 not3756 that3754 we shall judge2919 angels32? how much more3386, 1065 things that pertain to this life982?

1Co 6:4  If1437 then3303, 3767 ye have2192 judgments2922 of things pertaining to this life982, set2523 them5128 to judge who are least esteemed1848 in1722 the church1577.

1Co 6:5  I speak3004 to4314 your5213 shame1791. Is it so3779, that there2076 is not3756 a wise man4680 among1722 you5213? no, not3761 one1520 that3739 shall be able1410 to judge1252 between303, 3319 his846 brethren80?

This shows that even the ‘baby Corinthians’ could judge.

 

 

Here are some more that most people are afraid to quote:

>> NIV > CAB

 

Joh 5:30  I1473 can1410 of575 mine own self1683 do4160 nothing3756, 3762: as2531 I hear191, I judge2919: and2532 my1699 judgment2920 is2076 just1342; because3754 I seek2212 not3756 mine own1699 will2307, but235 the will2307 of the Father3962 which hath sent3992 me3165.

 

JESUS Judges:

MT 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 

MT 23:29 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! ... 

MT 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 

 

>> NIV > CAB

 

LK 17:3 So watch yourselves.     "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. [4] If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, `I repent,' forgive him."

 

TIT 2:15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

It’s hard to do this if one doesn’t make a judgment to begin with.