Judging The Church
The Bible Passages that Practically No One Obeys Anymore About Judging those in the church
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Have you ever wondered why the Modern church is dead and why spiritual cancer seems to spread so freely like wildfire? Here are the Bible verses that practically no one wants you to believe about judging those in the church, especially those who live in sin and call themselves Christians.
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2Th_3:4 KJV We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you both do and will do the things we command
2Th_3:6-7 KJV Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2Th_3:13-15 KJV But ye, brethren, be not weary [ἐκκακήσητε lit. (fall) out (into) evil-nasty-bad-ness; i.e. do not go out of your current state into bad-feeling-ness (as if sick or exhausted) so that you let off] in well doing. 14 And if any man obey not [οὐχ ὑπακούει lit. does not (submissively) listen under (unto obeying)] our word [τῷ λόγῳ ἡμῶν] by this epistle, note [σημειοῦσθε lit. put a sign/ mark (on)] that man, and *have no company with [* μὴ συναναμίγνυσθαι lit. no together-up/again-mixing, or, do not up-again-(i.e. repeatedly/ thoroughly/ intensely)-mix-together (with)] him, that *he may be ashamed [* ἐντραπῇ lit. in-turned; i.e. inverted, or fig. humbled down so that he is put down on the ground from his lofty/ proud stance]. 15 Yet [καὶ and] count [ἡγεῖσθε lead yourself (to act with)] him not as an enemy, but admonish* [νουθετεῖτε (G3560) lit. mind-ify (him); i.e. (make him) mindful/ put him in mind] him as a brother.
* That is, νου- (nou-) from νοῦς (noús; G3563) meaning mind, combined with τίθημι (títhēmi; G5087), to place.
From the same as G3559; to put in mind, that is, (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish, warn.
It is good if you can read all of 1Corinthians 5 through 6:10 to get a complete understanding on judging the church. Here are the main parts of this teaching:
1Co_5:1-7 CAB It is actually heard that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather grieved, so that he who did this deed would be removed from your midst. 3 For I indeed, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has done this deed in this way, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus [see: 2Co_2:4-11]. 6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7 Purge out the old leaven
1Co_5:9-13 I wrote to you in my epistle not to associate with fornicators. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world! 11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous person, or an idolater, or abusive person, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."
1Co_6:2-3 CAB Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Let alone ordinary matters!
1Co_6:9-10 Jos.Trans. ...don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,G3120 nor homosexuals,G733 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor criticizers,G3060 nor forceful takers,G727 will inherit the kingdom of God.
(compare Mat 7 notes below)
Jesus Had this Extreme Attitude
This is an extreme attitude of opposition toward those who claim to be christians and live in sin! In fact, Jesus puts it this way:
Mat_10:34-36 WEB "Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man's foes will be those of his own household.
And this extreme war-like attitude of opposition to corrupters dates back throughout the Old Testament, as it was given to the Church of their day. It gave charges concerning those who were inside the community who would try to justify being in sin and leading others into it.
People are still around today, living in sin and promoting this cancer for others to take in just like those warned against in the Old Testament, and if you ever get close to applying these above verses today, those who live in sin will often say that, that was the Old Testament, but now we are under grace! But this argument is only a foolish westernized perversion. And how do we know this for sure? Because in the above Corinthian passage it quotes from this Old Testament attitude when Paul applies it to Christians and charges them to oppose and expel those who try to pollute the New Testament Church:
But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves [as opposed to outsiders] the evil person, (1Co_5:13 CAB).
Deuteronomy is The Basis For 1Co 5-6
This is a direct quote from Deuteronomy showing that Paul specifically charges us to reaffirm this Old Testament attitude into the current practice of judging those in the Church today:
Deu_13:1-11 CAB And if there arise within you a prophet, or one who dreams a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass which he spoke to you, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you know not; 3 you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of that dream, because the Lord your God is testing you, to see whether you love your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God, and fear Him, and you shall hear His voice, and attach yourselves to Him. 5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you. 6 And if your brother by your father or mother, or your son, or daughter, or your wife in your bosom, or friend who is equal to your own soul, entreat you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the nations that are round about you, who are near you or at a distance from you, from one end of the earth to the other; 8 you shall not consent to him, neither shall you hearken to him; and your eye shall not spare him, you shall feel no regret for him, neither shall you at all protect him: 9 you shall surely report concerning him, and your hands shall be upon him among the first to slay him, and the hands of all the people at the last. 10 And they shall stone him with stones, and he shall die, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not again do according to this evil thing among you.
This is repeated:
Deu_17:7 CAB And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shall you remove the evil one from among yourselves.
And it is repeated again and again:
Deu_19:19, Deu_22:21, Deu_22:24, Deu_24:7;
Though this harsh teaching is old, it is not obsolete. In fact, this teaching still stands today as a powerful charge of commitment to Love God more than the comfort of men, even if that means confronting sin in them.
Though we dont kill people with the death penalty today as they did in their day (being a theocracy on earth that we no longer have) we are commanded to put them out of the church, hand them over to satan, and declare them damned to Hell (anathema) as the above Corinthian passage and many others show.
1Co_16:22 KJV If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema
Withdraw From People who Teach Contrary to the Wholesome Words, those of Jesus, and the Doctrine According to Good- Reverence:
1Ti_6:3-5 CAB If anyone *teaches differently [* ἑτεροδιδασκαλεῖ lit. does other teaching] and does not *consent to [* προσέρχεται lit. come/ draw near to] sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine [διδασκαλίᾳ teaching] which accords with godliness [εὐσέβειαν lit. good (εὐ) reverence (σέβειαν)/ adoration; see: G2150 > G2152 > G2095 + G4576], 4 he is puffed up, understanding [ἐπιστάμενος lit. standing upon; fig. establishing the mind on] nothing, but is *morbidly concerned with [* νοσῶν περὶ lit. sick around/ concerning] disputes [ζητήσεις lit. seekings/ questions] and word battles, from [ἐξ out (of)] which come [γίνεται becomes/ is begotten] envy, strife, slanders [βλασφημίαι blasphemies; lit. damage-speakings; fig. slander-speakings (against God or people)], evil suspicions [1ὑπόνοιαι 2πονηραί 2evil/ wicked/ perverted, 1under-minded-thinking], 5 constant wrangling [διαπαρατριβαὶ] of men of corrupt minds [νοῦν] and having been deprived [ἀπεστερημένων] of the truth, supposing [νομιζόντων] that godliness [εὐσέβειαν lit. good reverence] is a means of profit. Withdraw from such people.
Tit_3:9-11 I translated verse 10 to be as accurate as possible
Tit_3:9 CAB But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies, and strifes and legal fights; for they are unprofitable and futile.
A hereticG141 man, after the first and second warningG3559, rejectG3868
Tit_3:11 CAB knowing that such a person has been perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
[compare 1Ti_6:3-5 wholesome words]
hereticG141 man αἱρετικὸν G141 ἄνθρωπον (aihretikon anthrōpon): The Greek word heretic here (aihretikon) has to do with choosing things that are outside the main body of truth, which is essentially the same as αἵρεσις (haíresis), G139 Heresy; compare Gal_5:20; 2Pe_2:1)
Gal_1:8-9 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (and see 1Co_16:22)
2Co_11:2-4 CAB For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy, for I have betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest perhaps as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes to you preaches another Jesus whom we did not preach, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you may well put up with him!
Rom_16:17-20 WEB Now I beg you,
brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of
stumbling, contrary to the doctrineG1322 which you learned, and turn away from them.
18 For those who are such don't serve our Lord,
Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they
deceive the hearts of the innocentG172.
But I desire to have you wise in that which
is good, but
innocent G185 [simple (or unmixed)] in that which is evil. 20 And the God of
peace will quickly crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus
Christ be with you.
Note: I corrected the two words above that are frequently misrepresented as the same word; most versions typically either have them both represented as simple or innocent. We should distinguish them like this since they are two very different words in Greek, as the Strongs numbers above indicate.
2Jn_1:7-11 WEB For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, that we don't lose the things which we have accomplished, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whoever transgresses and doesn't remain in the teachingG1322 of Christ, doesn't have God. He who remains in the teachingG1322, the same has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you, and doesn't bring this teachingG1322, don't receive him into your house, and don't welcomeG5463 him, 11 for he who welcomesG5463 him participates in his evil works.
G5463 χαίρω (chairō) directly means to favor/ rejoice, because in the Biblical mindset, favoring is rejoicing. In 2Jn_1:10-11 the word is used twice in the Present Tense and Active Voice [χαιρειν (chairein)] which means that a real Christian is forbidden to wish such a heretic to be favor-rejoicing, which was a common practice of wishing someone well and displaying kindness as a greeting, and this is forbidden for real disciples to wish upon the defiled favor-rejoicing of heretics, because it is overtly evil in promoting sin.
2Co_6:14-18 CAB Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness? 15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? 16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."