Judging The Church

& Separating From All Sin

Judging & Separation

& Separating From The Rest of the World

The Bible Passages that Practically No One Obeys Anymore About Judging those in the church

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

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Contents

Explanation and Introduction. 1

1. Don’t Associate with Unrepentant church People. 2

2Th 3 – Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians. 2

1Co 5-6 – Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan. 2

1Ti 6 – Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence. 3

2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly! 3

Tit 3 – Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man. 3

Gal 1; 2Co 11 – Another Gospel 4

Rom 16 – Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching. 4

2Jn 1 – Don’t Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness. 4

3. Don’t Give into the Manipulation of Heretics. 4

2Co_11:20-21 – Don't “Turn the other Cheek” to Manipulative church People. 5

Judge those who Claim to be Apostles. 5

4. What Should a Real Disciple do?. 5

Psalms and More – A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing. 5

Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church. 5

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if You’re Right with God! 6

If There is Persecution. 7

5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?. 8

Mat 12 – Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost) 8

Psa 101 – Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People. 8

2Co 6 – Come Out from Among Them.. 8

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 – Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent 8

6. Don’t Help Sin. 8

Considerations. 9

Come Out From The Midst Of Them.. 9

Explanation and Introduction

Have you ever wondered why the Modern church is dead and why spiritual cancer seems to spread so freely like wildfire? Here are the Bible verses that practically no one wants you to believe about judging those in the church, especially those who live in sin and call themselves Christians.

If you have other Scriptures that you would like to suggest adding to this study please email Josiahs@TrueConnection.org

1. Don’t Associate with Unrepentant church People

2Th 3 – Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians

2Th_3:4 KJV We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you both do and will do the things we command…

2Th_3:6-7 KJV Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

2Th_3:13-15 KJV But ye, brethren, be not weary [ἐκκακήσητε – lit. (fall) out (into) evil-nasty-bad-ness; i.e. do not go out of your current state into bad-feeling-ness (as if sick or exhausted) so that you let off] in well doing. 14 And if any man obey not [οὐχ ὑπακούει – lit. does not (submissively) listen under (unto obeying)] our word [τῷ λόγῳ ἡμῶν] by this epistle, note [σημειοῦσθε – lit. put a sign/ “mark” (on)] that man, and *have no company with [* μὴ συναναμίγνυσθαι – lit. no together-up/again-mixing, or, do not up-again-(i.e. repeatedly/ thoroughly/ intensely)-mix-together (with)] him, that *he may be ashamed [* ἐντραπῇ – lit. in-turned; i.e. inverted, or fig. humbled down – so that he is put down on the ground from his lofty/ “proud” stance]. 15 Yet [καὶ – and] count [ἡγεῖσθε – lead yourself (to act with)] him not as an enemy, but admonish* [νουθετεῖτε (G3560) – lit. mind-ify (him); i.e. (make him) mindful/ “put him in mind”] him as a brother.

* That is, “νου-” (nou-) from “νοῦς” (noús; G3563) – meaning mind, combined with “τίθημι” (títhēmi; G5087), to place.

Strong’s says:

G3560 νουθετέω noutheteō noo-thet-eh'-o

From the same as G3559; to put in mind, that is, (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish, warn.

1Co 5-6 – Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan

It is good if you can read all of 1Corinthians 5 through 6:10 to get a complete understanding on judging the church. Here are the main parts of this teaching:

1Co_5:1-7 CAB It is actually heard that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather grieved, so that he who did this deed would be removed from your midst. 3 For I indeed, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has done this deed in this way, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus [see: 2Co_2:4-11]. 6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7 Purge out the old leaven…

1Co_5:9-13 I wrote to you in my epistle not to associate with fornicators. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world! 11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous person, or an idolater, or abusive person, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

1Co_6:2-3 CAB Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Let alone ordinary matters!

1Co_6:9-10 Jos.Trans. ...don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,^G3120 nor homosexuals,^G733 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor criticizers,^G3060 nor forceful takers,^G727 will inherit the kingdom of God.

(compare Mat 7 notes below)

Jesus Had this Extreme Attitude

This is an extreme attitude of opposition toward those who claim to be christians and live in sin! In fact, Jesus puts it this way:

Mat_10:34-36 WEB "Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man's foes will be those of his own household.

And this extreme “war-like” attitude of opposition to corrupters dates back throughout the Old Testament, as it was given to the Church of their day. It gave charges concerning those who were inside the community who would try to justify being in sin and leading others into it.

People are still around today, living in sin and promoting this cancer for others to take in just like those warned against in the Old Testament, and if you ever get close to applying these above verses today, those who live in sin will often say that, “that was the Old Testament, but now we are under grace!” But this argument is only a foolish westernized perversion. And how do we know this for sure? Because in the above Corinthian passage it quotes from this Old Testament attitude when Paul applies it to Christians and charges them to oppose and expel those who try to pollute the New Testament Church:

“But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves [as opposed to outsiders] the evil person,” (1Co_5:13 CAB).

Deuteronomy is The Basis For 1Co 5-6

This is a direct quote from Deuteronomy showing that Paul specifically charges us to reaffirm this Old Testament attitude into the current practice of judging those in the Church today:

Deu_13:1-11 CAB And if there arise within you a prophet, or one who dreams a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass which he spoke to you, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you know not; 3 you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of that dream, because the Lord your God is testing you, to see whether you love your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God, and fear Him, and you shall hear His voice, and attach yourselves to Him. 5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you. 6 And if your brother by your father or mother, or your son, or daughter, or your wife in your bosom, or friend who is equal to your own soul, entreat you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the nations that are round about you, who are near you or at a distance from you, from one end of the earth to the other; 8 you shall not consent to him, neither shall you hearken to him; and your eye shall not spare him, you shall feel no regret for him, neither shall you at all protect him: 9 you shall surely report concerning him, and your hands shall be upon him among the first to slay him, and the hands of all the people at the last. 10 And they shall stone him with stones, and he shall die, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not again do according to this evil thing among you.

This is repeated:

Deu_17:7 CAB And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shall you remove the evil one from among yourselves.

And it is repeated again and again:

Deu_19:19, Deu_22:21, Deu_22:24, Deu_24:7;

Though this harsh teaching is old, it is not obsolete. In fact, this teaching still stands today as a powerful charge of commitment to Love God more than the comfort of men, even if that means confronting sin in them.

Though we don’t kill people with the death penalty today as they did in their day (being a theocracy on earth that we no longer have) we are commanded to put them out of the church, hand them over to satan, and declare them damned to Hell (“anathema”) as the above Corinthian passage and many others show.

1Co_16:22 KJV If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema…

1Ti 6 – Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence

Withdraw From People who Teach Contrary to the Wholesome Words, those of Jesus, and the Doctrine According to Good- Reverence:

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1Ti_6:3-5 CAB If anyone *teaches differently [* ἑτεροδιδασκαλεῖ – lit. does other teaching] and does not *consent to [* προσέρχεται – lit. come/ “draw” near to] sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine [διδασκαλίᾳ – teaching] which accords with godliness [εὐσέβειαν – lit. good (εὐ) reverence (σέβειαν)/ adoration; see: G2150 > G2152 > G2095 + G4576], 4 he is puffed up, understanding [ἐπιστάμενος – lit. standing upon; fig. establishing the mind on] nothing, but is *morbidly concerned with [* νοσῶν περὶ – lit. sick around/ “concerning”] disputes [ζητήσεις – lit. seekings/ “questions”] and word battles, from [ἐξ – out (of)] which come [γίνεται – becomes/ ‘is begotten’] envy, strife, slanders [βλασφημίαι – blasphemies; lit. damage-speakings; fig. slander-speakings (against God or people)], evil suspicions [¹ὑπόνοιαι ²πονηραί – ²evil/ wicked/ “perverted,” ¹under-minded-thinking], 5 constant wrangling [διαπαρατριβαὶ] of men of corrupt minds [νοῦν] and having been deprived [ἀπεστερημένων] of the truth, supposing [νομιζόντων] that godliness [εὐσέβειαν – lit. good reverence] is a means of profit. Withdraw from such people.

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2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly!

Tit 3 – Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man

Tit_3:9-11 – I translated verse 10 to be as accurate as possible

Tit_3:9 CAB But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies, and strifes and legal fights; for they are unprofitable and futile.

Tit_3:10 Jos.Trans A heretic^G141 man, after the first and second warning^G3559, reject^G3868

Tit_3:11 CAB knowing that such a person has been perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

[compare 1Ti_6:3-5 “wholesome words”]

Greek

heretic^G141 man – “αἱρετικὸν^G141 ἄνθρωπον” (aihretikon anthrōpon): The Greek word heretic here (aihretikon) has to do with “choosing” things that are outside the main body of truth, which is essentially the same as “αἵρεσις” (haíresis), G139 – Heresy; compare Gal_5:20; 2Pe_2:1)

warning^G3559 – This Greek word “νουθεσίαν” (nouthesía) is basically the same as “νουθετέω” (noutheteō), as quoted previously (G3560).

reject^G3868 - “παραιτοῦ” (paraituo) literally means to “ask aside”; Strong’s says:

G3868 παραιτέομαι paraiteomai par-ahee-teh'-om-ahee

From G3844 and the middle of G154; to beg off, that is, deprecate, decline, shun: - avoid, (make) excuse, intreat, refuse, reject.

Parallel Passage

2Ti_2:14-19 – Oppose Error

2Ti_2:23-24 – No foolishness for The Servant of the Lord

Gal 1; 2Co 11 – Another Gospel

Gal_1:8-9 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (and see 1Co_16:22)

2Co_11:2-4 CAB For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy, for I have betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest perhaps as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes to you preaches another Jesus whom we did not preach, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you may well put up with him!

Rom 16 – Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching

Rom_16:17-20 WEB Now I beg you, brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine^G1322 which you learned, and turn away from them. 18 For those who are such don't serve our Lord, Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the innocent^G172. 19 …But I desire to have you wise in that which is good, but ~~innocent~~^G185 [simple (or unmixed)] in that which is evil. 20 And the God of peace will quickly crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Note: I corrected the two words above that are frequently misrepresented as the same word; most versions typically either have them both represented as simple or innocent. We should distinguish them like this since they are two very different words in Greek, as the Strong’s numbers above indicate.

2Jn 1 – Don’t Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness

2Jn_1:7-11 WEB For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, that we don't lose the things which we have accomplished, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whoever transgresses and doesn't remain in the teaching^G1322 of Christ, doesn't have God. He who remains in the teaching^G1322, the same has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you, and doesn't bring this teaching^G1322, don't receive him into your house, and don't welcome^G5463 him, 11 for he who welcomes^G5463 him participates in his evil works.

Greek

G1322 - “διδαχή” (didachē): Teaching or Doctrine

G5463 – “χαίρω” (chairō) directly means to favor/ “rejoice”, because in the Biblical mindset, “favoring” is rejoicing. In 2Jn_1:10-11 the word is used twice in the Present Tense and Active Voice [“χαιρειν” (chairein)] – which means that a real Christian is forbidden to wish such a heretic to be favor-rejoicing, which was a common practice of wishing someone well and displaying kindness as a greeting, and this is forbidden for real disciples to wish upon the defiled favor-rejoicing of heretics, because it is overtly evil in promoting sin.

Heresy is Ultimately Judged as Intentional

~11/1/17; 11/3/17; 3/19/18

…

Deu_13:5 WEB That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

Deu_13:5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you.

Deu_13:5 (13:6) καὶ ὁ προφήτης ἐκεῖνος ἢ ὁ τὸ ἐνύπνιον ἐνυπνιαζόμενος ἐκεῖνος ἀποθανεῖται· ἐλάλησεν γὰρ πλανῆσαί σε ἀπὸ κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου τοῦ ἐξαγαγόντος σε ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου τοῦ λυτρωσαμένου σε ἐκ τῆς δουλείας ἐξῶσαί σε ἐκ τῆς ὁδοῦ, ἧς ἐνετείλατό σοι κύριος ὁ θεός σου πορεύεσθαι ἐν αὐτῇ· καὶ ἀφανιεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ ὑμῶν αὐτῶν.

>> Sync: SPI | JCH (Deu_13:5)

3. Don’t Give into the Manipulation of Heretics

Don't let the proud take advantage of you and manipulate you into doing things on their behalf

2Ti_3:5-6 CAB ...And from these people turn away! 6 For of these are those who creep into houses and captivate gullible women having been loaded down with sins, who are led by various lusts,

Pro_22:24 CAB Be not companion to a furious man, neither lodge with a passionate [or "furious" (KJV)] man,

(Compare Pro_19:19)

If this applies to the outside world, how much more would it apply to a heretic or hypocrite inside the church?

2Co_6:14-18 CAB Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness? 15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? 16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

2Co_11:20-21 – Don't “Turn the other Cheek” to Manipulative church People

2Co_11:20-21 CAB For you put up with it if someone enslaves you, if someone devours you, if someone takes from you, if someone exalts himself, if someone strikes you in the face. 21 To our shame, I say that we were too weak for that!...

Paul rebukes them with a stroke of sarcasm at the end here. Also compare:

Pro_25:26 WEB Like a muddied spring, and a polluted well, So is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

So don't give way to manipulation, but instead have the REAL Love that God gives, because:

"Love...doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;" (1Co_13:4, 6 WEB).

Add Scrip:

1Co 4 vs. Ch 5

Intruding into things he has not seen

Blastphemer

Judge those who Claim to be Apostles

Rev_2:2; 1Jo_4:1-6

If they claim to be Apostles and are not, then don’t help them (2Jn_1:9-11)!

This is also seen from the fact that if the church puts someone out, or if you are called to reject them personally, you cannot agree with this judgment while helping that very same person with what they have need of.

4. What Should a Real Disciple do?

Psalms and More – A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing

Psa_15:1-5 CAB …O Lord, who shall sojourn in Your tabernacle? And who shall dwell in Your holy mountain? 2 He that walks blameless, and works righteousness, who speaks truth in his heart. 3 Who has not spoken craftily with his tongue, neither has done evil to his neighbor, nor taken up a reproach against them that dwell nearest to him. 4 In his sight an evil worker is set at nought*, but he honors them that fear the Lord… 5 …He that does these things shall never be moved.

* Greek (LXX) is: “ἐξουδένωται^G1847” (exoudenōtai): to make nothing or to despise

Psa_119:115 CAB Depart from me, You evildoers; for I will search out the commandments of my God.

Psa_6:8 CAB Depart from me, all you that work iniquity; for the Lord has heard the voice of my weeping.

And this is quoted by Jesus:

Mat_7:23 CAB "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!'

Psa_26:3-6 CAB For Your mercy is before my eyes; and I am well pleased with Your truth. 4 I have not sat with the council of vanity, and shall by no means enter in with transgressors. 5 I have hated the assembly of evildoers; and will not sit with the ungodly. 6 I will wash my hands in innocence, and compass Your altar, O Lord;

Jer_15:15-18 CAB O Lord, remember me, and visit me, and vindicate me before them that persecute me. Do not bear long with them; know how I have met with reproach for Your sake, from those who nullify Your words. 16 Consume them, and Your word shall be to me for the joy and gladness of my heart. For Your name has been called upon me, O Lord Almighty. 17 I have not sat in the assembly of them as they mocked, but I feared because of Your power. I sat alone, for I was filled with bitterness. 18 Why do they that grieve me prevail against me? My wound is severe; when shall I be healed? It has indeed become to me as deceitful water that has no faithfulness.

Psa_101:1-8 CAB A Psalm of David. I will sing to You, O Lord, of mercy and judgment; I will sing a psalm, 2 and I will be wise in a blameless way. When will You come to me? I walked in the innocence of my heart, in the midst of my house. 3 I have not set before my eyes any unlawful thing; I have hated transgressors. 4 A perverse heart has not cleaved to me; I have not known an evil man, forasmuch as he turns away from me. 5 Him that secretly speaks against his neighbor, him have I driven from me; he that is proud in look and insatiable in heart — with him I have not eaten. 6 My eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me; he that walked in a perfect way, the same ministered to me. 7 He that is proud dwelled not in the midst of my house; the unjust speaker prospered not in my sight. 8 Early did I slay all the sinners of the land, that I might destroy out of the city of the Lord all that work iniquity.

Also see:

Psa_1:1; [Pro_9:6, MT] Pro_13:20; Psa_26:9; Psa_31:6 [compare LXX vs. MT]; Psa_119:63; Psa_139:19; Psa_139:21, Psa_139:22; 2Ki_3:13, 2Ki_3:14; Est_3:2; Isa_32:5-6; Dan_5:17-31; Mat_9:11, Mat_9:12; Mat_25:41; Bad flattering Lawyers: Act_24:2-3, But Paul: Act_24:25; 1Co_5:9-11; 1Co_15:33; 2Co_6:17; Jam_2:1-9

(edited from TSK)

Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church

Jud_1:22-23 WEB On some have compassion, making a distinction, 23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

Tit_3:10-11 KJVCNT A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sins, being condemned of himself.

Luk_17:1-4 WEB He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no occasions of stumbling should come, but woe to him through whom they come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 Be careful. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. 4 If he sins against you seven times in the day, and seven times returns, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."

Mat_18:15-18 WEB "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother. 16 But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the assembly. If he refuses to hear the assembly also, let him be to you as a Gentile [i.e. a nation (that means YOU)] or a tax collector. 18 Most assuredly I tell you, whatever things you will bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever things you will release on earth will be released in heaven. 19 Again, assuredly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them." 21 Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.

Mat_18:35 KJV And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

- salvation is from the Jews (Joh_4)

- as a nation and tax collector

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if You’re Right with God!

Mat_9:13 CAB But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice…'

Seek Peace, Don’t Take to Court

Mat_5:21-26 KJV Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

(compare Pro_25:8-11, MT vs. LXX)

Don’t Take to Court

Luk_12:57-59 WEB Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 For when you are going with your adversary before the magistrate, try diligently on the way to be released from him, lest perhaps he drag you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will by no means get out of there, until you have paid the very last penny."

Compare 1Co_6:1-8: ‘Possibly take before the church if they claim to be a christian, but not before the courts,’ just as it is seen above in Luk_17:1-4 and Mat_18:15-18.

If they are a Real Christian

Mat_7:1-5 KJV Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

If they are Not a Real Christian

Mat_7:13-29 CAB "Enter in through the narrow gate; because wide is the gate, and broad is the way which leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in through it. 14 How narrow the gate, and confined the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it! 15 "But beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grape clusters from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 Thus every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire. 20 Consequently, by their fruits you shall know them. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name we cast out demons, and in Your name we did many mighty works?' 23 "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!' 24 "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and does them, I will compare him to a wise man who built his house upon the rock: 25 and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and fell against that house; and it did not fall, for it had been founded upon the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them, will be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And its fall was great." 28 And so it was, when Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not like the scribes.

>> See: SOM | Testimony

Compare this teaching on not judging with:

Mat_7:13-27 - how to judge; and again, compare:

1Co_4:2-5 - How not to judge, with

1Co 5 & 6 - How to judge;

And also notice the overall prohibitions in these passages against judging the hidden motives of others, especially of real Christian “brothers,” and notice this same principle in Jas_4:11-12.

Jealous for Justice

Luk_12:13-15 KJV And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Rom_14:10-14 KJV But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

1Jo_5:16-18 KJV If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Gal_6:1-5 CAB Brothers, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness, looking out for yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks that he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each person examine his own work, and then he will have boasting in himself alone, and not in the other. 5 For each one shall bear his own load.

Jas_5:19-20 CAB Brothers, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth, and anyone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner back from the error of his way will save a soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

The Servant of the Lord – Confronting Sin when there is still Hope

2Ti_2:24-26 KJV And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

If There is Persecution

Luk_3:19-20 WEB but Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias, his brother's wife, and for all the evil things which Herod had done, 20 added this also to them all, that he shut up John in prison.

Mar_6:11 CAB And as many as do not receive you nor hear you, as you leave from there, shake off the dust underneath your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom or for Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"

Mat_10:23 CAB But whenever they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly I say to you, by no means will you have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Mar_6:12 CAB And when they went out, they were preaching that people should repent.

(This is called the Gospel in Luk_9:6; Also see: Act_13:51)

Joh_7:7 CAB The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify about it, that its works are evil.

Joh_3:18-21 CAB He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the light, because their works were evil. 20 For everyone that does evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."

Mat_10:26-28 CAB Therefore do not fear them. For nothing is concealed that shall not be unveiled, and secret that shall not be made known. 27 "What I say to you in the dark, say in the light; and what you hear in the ear, proclaim on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both the soul and the body in hell.

5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?

Mat 12 – Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost)

Mat_12:30 WEB "He who is not with me is against me, and he who doesn't gather with me, scatters.

Psa 101 – Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People

Psa_101:2-4 KJ2000 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when will you come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. 3 I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. 4 A perverse heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.

2Co 6 – Come Out from Among Them

2Co_6:17-18 WEB Therefore, "'Come out from among them, And be separate,' says the Lord, 'Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you. 18 I will be to you a Father. You will be to me sons and daughters,' says the Lord Almighty."

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 – Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent

Luk_10:16 CAB He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me."

1Jn_4:6 CAB We are of God. He that knows God hears us; he that is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

See Bible study on Repenting:

http://www.trueconnection.org/BibleStudies/Repent/Repentance.html

6. Don’t Help Sin

5/8/08; 3/19/10; 6/26/10; 3/25/11; 11/1/11; 2/8/17 (recompiled, enhanced)

Here is where we talk more and more about separating from the rest of the world (not just the church).

These principles apply not only to the church but to all people who sin.

1Ti_5:22 WEB Lay hands hastily on no one, neither be a participant in other men's sins. Keep yourself pure.

Dan_1:8 - "Daniel purposed...not [to] defile himself"...so how should we handle others? (Compare 1Ti_5:22 above).

Eph_5:11 WEB Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.

- How can you "reprove them" if you are knowingly helping them happen?

More on "don't participate in other’s sins": 2Jo_1:11; Rev_18:4

Isa_41:6-7 - Don't help with Idolatry

Jer_23:14 KJV …they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

Eze_13:22-23 WEB Because with lies you have… strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, and be saved alive:

Could this isolate you from society, your church, or even your own family? In light of all this, it is easy to see why Jesus said these things:

Mat_10:16-23 KJ2000 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles… 22 And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake… 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee into another… 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.

Considerations

- Why should we “beware of men” if they are no challenge to our own pursuit of God?

- Why does Jesus’ expectation anticipate that A LOT of people are going to be offended at those who follow Him?

- Where is our persecution?

- Are we “going with the flow” to some degree to keep a “peace,” that Jesus did not come to bring?

Luk 6:22 KJ2000 Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

- How does this happen if we are agreeable to most men’s ways?

1Co_10:24-33 – Food Sacrificed to Idols

This entire principal of not helping sin is powerfully displayed in avoiding food sacrificed to idols... can you imagine saying, “No, I cannot eat your food that you prepared for me because you told me it would help you participate in your sin of idolatry.”?

This shows the principal of “awareness” as being the basis of your liability for going along with and helping in other people’s sins.

Isa_26:8 b - 'your name & renown, are the desire of our soul'... So how can I possibly help promote anything to the contrary?

If we can relate to not promoting propaganda for Hitler if we were in Nazi Germany, why is it we cannot relate to not promoting material that dishonors God? Why is it that our heart would naturally cringe away from things that would promote the death of other human beings, but we can’t relate to naturally detesting the idea of helping pass out things that dishonor God? Is His name and renown the desire of our soul?

If someone were promoting literature falsely defaming your own mother, you would not even think of helping one step of the way. If someone asked, “Could you hand me that ‘Anti-mom’ flyer there?” You would resolutely say “No!” Is it right that we give more honor to our mothers than to God? It is true that our mothers bore us, but God created us. Yes they are our authority, but God is our Lord and King:

Act 5:29 KJV …We ought to obey God rather than men.

Compare:

Rom_14:22 - 'blessed is he who does not condemn himself by what he approves'

Come Out From The Midst Of Them

2Co_6:12-18 CAB 12 …you are restricted by your own affections… 14 Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness? 15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? [that is, the devil] Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? [that is, “ἄπιστος” (apistos) - an unbeliever] 16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols?... 17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

(Also: Isa_52:11/ Eze_20:34, Eze_20:41)

It is time to be like Job…

Job_1:1 WEB There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job. That man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

>> Sync: JCH | WoW

Whether it is the hypocritical dirtiness of the church, or the more overt sin of the rest of the world, it is high time to Come Out From The Midst Of Them.

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PersonalNotes

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Limited Responsibility When There is Sin against My Council

haFri May 3 at 9:52pm

@Hd

HdFri May 3 at 10:11pm

HdFri May 3 at 10:15pm

haFri May 3 at 10:21pm

Yes thany you so much wise Sir

HdFri May 3 at 10:23pm

@H2: :+)

HdFri May 3 at 10:29pm

haFri May 3 at 10:36pm

AlFri May 3 at 11:00pm

Yes he's so wise and dreamy

HdFri May 3 at 11:01pm

HdFri May 3 at 11:02pm

HdFri May 3 at 11:07pm

haSat May 4 at 7:10am

I hope i made wisdom happy

AlSat May 4 at 9:13am

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@hd Good Morning wise man = -)

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2/15/19

Job: his children are for slaughter

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See: LLO > Accepting Rebuke / Rebuking with the right Gentleness

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Ay: Pagan Feast Socialites

12/9/18

>> JCH > Separation from World

At what point do you get up and leave?

Luk_10:8, 1Co_10:27

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Purification by Truth

11/7/18

Whittling down the crowds…

- Gideon (>> where have I quoted this?)

- Jesus: Hat father mother…

- Jesus: eat flesh drink blood

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Automatic Social Responsibility

Other date(s); 3/19/18

By default, unless indicated otherwise, Males are automatically socially responsible for what their city does...

Deu_20:13-18

-- TSK

comp. w Abbigale

annihilate people (but not the things)?

vs.

Anathema -- completely destroy everything with burning

Deu_20:16

how does this correlate with the different levels of JCH?

for example, in the worse Judging, you arte to "hate even the garment stained by the flesh" -- i.e. with a full anathema, you don't take anything that belongs to them.

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put away pointing fingers

…

Communion - cease-and-desist letter

Scrip:

here and do

so-and-so doesn't receive us...

you have reigned as kings without us

by taking communion

have

any

the

Scrip:

Isaiah :

to take my words upon you?

>tsk

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You Can’t Straddle the Fence Forever

1/16/18

Tags: strattle stratle

V and Man conversation:

>> Bapstist Pastor in Trenton

>> Mike Gorrie (2006 vs. 2009)

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Commanded Judgment Is God's Judgment

>> LO?????

>> where are the verses for this???

...

10/8/17

church

social

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11/6/17

Deu_19:19 WEB then you shall do to him as he had thought to do to his brother: so you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

Deu_19:19 LB then shall you do to him as he wickedly devised to do against his brother, and you shall remove the evil from yourselves.

Deu_19:19 καὶ ποιήσετε αὐτῷ ὃν τρόπον ἐπονηρεύσατο ποιῆσαι κατὰ τοῦ ἀδελφοῦ αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐξαρεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ ὑμῶν αὐτῶν.

Deu_19:20 WEB Those who remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil in the midst of you.

Deu_19:20 And the rest shall hear and fear, and do no more according to this evil thing in the midst of you.

Deu_19:20 καὶ οἱ ἐπίλοιποι ἀκούσαντες φοβηθήσονται καὶ οὐ προσθήσουσιν ἔτι ποιῆσαι κατὰ τὸ ῥῆμα τὸ πονηρὸν τοῦτο ἐν ὑμῖν.

Deu_19:21 WEB Your eyes shall not pity; life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deu_19:21 Your eye shall not spare him; you shall exact life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and foot for foot.

Deu_19:21 οὐ φείσεται ὁ ὀφθαλμός σου ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ· ψυχὴν ἀντὶ ψυχῆς, ὀφθαλμὸν ἀντὶ ὀφθαλμοῦ, ὀδόντα ἀντὶ ὀδόντος, χεῖρα ἀντὶ χειρός, πόδα ἀντὶ ποδός .

>> TOC | JCH

>> TSK

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Deu_17:12

>> Sync: LO | JCH (Deu_17:12)

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Anathema

10/11/17

a cursed thing^H2764” (Deu 7:26)

>> compile other refs herein??

Deu_7:25 WEB You shall burn the engraved images of their gods with fire. You shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, nor take it for yourself, lest you be snared in it; for it is an abomination to Yahweh your God.

Deu_7:25 LB You shall burn with fire the graven images of their gods: you shall not covet their silver, neither shall you take to yourself gold from them, lest you be snared by it, for it is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Deu_7:25 τὰ γλυπτὰ τῶν θεῶν αὐτῶν κατακαύσετε πυρί· οὐκ ἐπιθυμήσεις ἀργύριον οὐδὲ χρυσίον ἀπ᾿ αὐτῶν καὶ οὐ λήμψῃ σεαυτῷ, μὴ πταίσῃς δι᾿ αὐτό, ὅτι βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σού ἐστιν·

Deu_7:26 WEB You shall not bring an abomination into your house, and become a devoted thing like it. You shall utterly detest it, and you shall utterly abhor it; for it is a devoted thing.

Deu_7:26 And you shall not bring an abomination into your house, so should you be an accursed thing like it; you shall utterly detest it, and altogether abominate it, because it is an accursed thing.

Deu_7:26 καὶ οὐκ εἰσοίσεις βδέλυγμα εἰς τὸν οἶκόν σου καὶ ἔσῃ ἀνάθημα ὥσπερ τοῦτο· προσοχθίσματι προσοχθιεῖς καὶ βδελύγματι βδελύξῃ, ὅτι ἀνάθημά ἐστιν.

>>2Co_13:!!!!!!!!!!!

2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, lest we should lose those things for which we worked, but that we should receive a full reward.

2Jn 1:8 βλέπετε ἑαυτούς, ἵνα μὴ ἀπολέσωμεν ἃ εἰργασάμεθα, ἀλλὰ μισθὸν πλήρη ἀπολάβωμεν.

2Jn 1:8 βλεπετε εαυτους ινα μη ^Aαπολεσητε ^TSBαπολεσωμεν α ειργασαμεθα αλλα μισθον πληρη ^Aαπολαβητε ^TSBαπολαβωμεν

2Jn 1:9 Everyone who transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ, this one has both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:9 πᾶς ὁ παραβαίνων καὶ μὴ μένων ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ Θεὸν οὐκ ἔχει· ὁ μένων ἐν τῇ διδαχῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ, οὗτος καὶ τὸν πατέρα καὶ τὸν υἱὸν ἔχει.

2Jn 1:9 πας ο ^Aπροαγων ^TSBπαραβαινων και μη μενων εν τη διδαχη του χριστου θεον ουκ εχει ο μενων εν τη διδαχη ^TSBτου ^TSBχριστου ουτος και τον πατερα και τον υιον εχει

2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, and do not greet him;

2Jn 1:10 εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρὸς ὑμᾶς καὶ ταύτην τὴν διδαχὴν οὐ φέρει, μὴ λαμβάνετε αὐτὸν εἰς οἰκίαν, καὶ χαίρειν αὐτῷ μὴ λέγετε·

2Jn 1:10 ει τις ερχεται προς υμας και ταυτην την διδαχην ου φερει μη λαμβανετε αυτον εις οικιαν και χαιρειν αυτω μη λεγετε

2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil works.

2Jn 1:11 ὁ γὰρ λέγων αὐτῷ χαίρειν κοινωνεῖ τοῖς ἔργοις αὐτοῦ τοῖς πονηροῖς.

2Jn 1:11 ο ^TSBγαρ λεγων ^Aγαρ αυτω χαιρειν κοινωνει τοις εργοις αυτου τοις πονηροις

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9/25/17

Deu_1:17 WEB You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike; you shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.

Deu_1:17 LB You shall not have respect to persons in judgment, you shall judge small and great equally; you shall not shrink from before the person of a man, for the judgment is God's; and whatsoever matter shall be too hard for you, you shall bring it to me, and I will hear it.’

Deu_1:17 οὐκ ἐπιγνώσῃ πρόσωπον ἐν κρίσει, κατὰ τὸν μικρὸν καὶ κατὰ τὸν μέγαν κρινεῖς, οὐ μὴ ὑποστείλῃ πρόσωπον ἀνθρώπου, ὅτι ἡ κρίσις τοῦ θεοῦ ἐστιν· καὶ τὸ ῥῆμα, ὃ ἐὰν σκληρὸν ᾖ ἀφ᾿ ὑμῶν, ἀνοίσετε αὐτὸ ἐπ᾿ ἐμέ, καὶ ἀκούσομαι αὐτό.

Deu_1:18 WEB I commanded you at that time all the things which you should do.

Deu_1:18 And I gave to you at that time all the commandments which you shall perform.

Deu_1:18 καὶ ἐνετειλάμην ὑμῖν ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ πάντας τοὺς λόγους, οὓς ποιήσετε.

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9/3/17

>>Scrip:

Mat_10:

Mar_9: – Mar_10:

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Lov (& or llo?)

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>> Get Heretic verses & info from:

http://atruechurch.info/judging.html

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Proclamation Training

10/5/16; 8/11/17

> print this to put in front of Bibles?

always

shallow mindless

religious

your

can see you are not very thoughtful

you

you are confused

you are shallow and unspiritual / soulish

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The Final Chapter in Judging the Church

8/10/17

1Co 15:33 Do not be deceived: "Evil associations corrupts good habits."

1Co 15:33 μὴ πλανᾶσθε· φθείρουσιν ἤθη ^BAχρηστὰ |^TSχρησθ| ὁμιλίαι κακαί.

1Co 16:22

^TSB᾿Ιησοῦν ^TSBΧριστόν, ἤτω ἀνάθεμα. ^TSBΜαράν ^TSBἀθά. |^Aμαρανα ^Aθα |

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1Co_15:33 CAB

1Co_15:33 μη

1Co_15:34

1Co_

1Co_15:34 εκνηψατε

>> SRP | JCH

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Church Perverts Oppose Authority

7/16/17

“How might this understanding--we treat tax collectors as Jesus treated tax collectors--change how people have read Matthew 18.15-17? Well, it changes it completely. No longer is this text read as a mandate for exclusion, as a warrant for kicking people out. Rather what we find is a mandate for inclusion, a warrant for sending and seeking and embracing. True, if a brother or sister is engaged in sin our relationship within the church is altered. You've become "a lost sheep" and a "tax collector."”

7/16/17

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Rebuke is the Opposite of Hate

4/10/17

Lev 19:17 WEB " 'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.

Lev 19:17 LB ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, so you shall not bear sin on his account.

Lev 19:17 οὐ μισήσεις τὸν ἀδελφόν σου τῇ διανοίᾳ σου, ἐλεγμῷ ἐλέγξεις τὸν πλησίον σου καὶ οὐ λήμψῃ δι᾿ αὐτὸν ἁμαρτίαν.

Non-Assumption Judgement

4/10/17

>> compare: SPI: as I hear I judge

Lev 19:15

Lev 19:15 LB ‘You

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Judge Yourself

Other dates; 4/1/17

Mat_6: - Log, then speck

[Job_10:2 - show me]

[Psa_119:175 - and let thy]

Jer_31:18-20

Lam_3:38-44, etc. - search

Hag_2:15-19, etc. - consider

>> think / logos

>> Hon Scien

Luk_15:18-20

1Co_11:28

1Co_11:31

2Co_13:5 - Examine

1Jo_1:9

[1Pe_4:6 - that they]

Rev_2:5, Rev_3:2, Rev_3:3

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3/23/17

Pro 13:20

Pro 13:20 LB

>> Sync: WoW | JCH

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Friend of Sinners

>> srp?

3/22/17

No Word Fights

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Pro_13:20 -- Walk with Wise, not Fools

>> Sync: JCH | WoW

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3/12/17

1Sa_2:1, etc.

1Sa_3:1, etc.

>> more refs

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Flattering Diplomacy vs. Wise Separation

The 3 Stages of Brute, Diplomat, & Wise Separatist -- and why Most People Confuse Them!

Stage One: An ignorant and inexperienced Brute who is impatient and does not care about the feelings of others who are different than him.

Stage Two: A Brute who has learned to be a Diplomate with politeness, manners, and perhaps some level of friendliness and care for the feelings of others who are different than him.

Stage Three: A diplomatic man learns integrity and how to separate himself from compromise and sin – which is different from God.

Most people mistake Stage Three for Stage One.

Most people are shallow, and without thought or integrity, and they never attain to distinguishing the surpassingly excellent and refined virtues of the righteous from brutish and selfish crudeness of losers. Most people are evil and prideful, so they associate the surpassing height of the excellent with their own shameful past of crudeness.

Through education and experience, the brute learns diplomacy, yet through repentance and faith the diplomatic learn separation and holiness from the compromise and pollutions of this world, and through special help from heaven, the holy and truly wise child will even learn zeal and indignation and intolerance against all the foolishness of sin. To the shame of the whole world, the wisdom of the zealous separatist is called brutishness by the compromised flatterer.

For many people, one of the highest "virtues" they ever learn out of many years of life (and gray hairs) is diplomacy. And while diplomacy can certainly have its appeal and value and usefulness, and can even cause an evil person to be admired, yet it stands in very little worth in comparison to honest integrity and forthright zeal for the truth, and being unwilling to compromise, flatter, or pollute oneself with perverse company. A young head with integrity and zeal beats an old and gray head who has learned to compromise, and flatter, and get along with every evil man.

A gentle man may use diplomacy as a means of truly loving other people by patiently providing them time and opportunity to repent. A liberal, perverted, integrity-breached man uses diplomacy in the name of love to flatter people in a way that encourages them in their sin and removes real incentives to repent.

And while the delusion of the flesh will praise the easy mouth of compromise in a company of worthless men while the zealous youth sits alone in indignation, yet the wise take it to heart that the success of a sociable man has made many friends with worthless men, yet the wise zealot, sitting alone in the corner, has found exclusive friendship with the truth, and no one can even compete with his profit.

And while the flatterer will be praised over the righteous, as though the easy mouth has learned more love and patience and gentleness and praiseworthy virtue than the delegates of God's own heart, yet in the end, the purified and wise separatist will come out having endured in real love, and wise patience, and self-sacrifice, and saving answers, well long after the patience of the popular entertainers have collapsed from exhaustion.

The compromised know how to flatter in a season where it preserves them from persecution, and multiplies their own personal advantages in this life, but those with integrity have willingly crucified themselves already, and have tried and judged their own souls, and when the days of darkness and unforeseen trials come, and dark clouds overshadow and rigorously condemn the flesh, and the successful have nowhere to go, and they find no consolation to bear with those who have turned against them, and flattery and cheap success folds down and crumbles and collapses, and its glory perishes, and no one can praise its virtue any longer, and it is just then that the righteous shine and endure all things, and lead out in love where all light had perished.

The week and humiliated will not look for love from the flatterer when he has perished in dismay and exasperation, when truth has come down to examine and try the sons of men, but they will run to the serious abstainer when all hope is gone, because now only he has truth and love and hope and a real answer of integrity, which thrives and shines the most when the awesome trial of reality calls all men to give over an honest answer for what real virtue, integrity, and love they have left in their hands.

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BBS: dhg

BBS: jch

Humble People Judge

8/2/12

Proverbs: The poor discerns the ritch/ exalted

LXX:

Zep_2:3 CAB Seek

Zep_2:3 WEB Seek

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12/14/16

Exo_10 - Exo_11

Exo 10:28 WEB Pharaoh

Exo 10:28 CAB And

Exo 10:29

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11/18/16

>>Scrip:

Luk_

Luk_12:15 And

Luk_

>> Sync: JCH | RiFi | TOC | JojBB

Act_

Act_8:20 Πε

Act_

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11/13/16

Mic_

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Not Arguing with Bullies

10/25/16

Ecc_

>> TSK

>> Sync: JCH | llo | other?

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Neh: I am Involved in An Important Work

10/8/16

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1/9/14;

Gen_19:21 And

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6/19/17

Corinthians

Galatians

9/30/16

2Ki_

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How Harsh to Strike a Pagan “Elder”

9/24/16

Jos_

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8/13/16

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8/12/16

9 W[12 [Sir12:9] Heb / LXX “grieved”]

in adversity even his friend disappears.

10 Never trust your enemy,

for

11 Even

and y13

12 Do not let him stand near you,

lest

lest he then demand your seat,

and in the end you appreciate my advice,

when you groan with regret, as I warned you.

13 Who

14 So

who is involved in his sins:

15 While you stand firm, he makes no bold move;

but if you slip, he cannot hold back.

16 An enemy speaks sweetly with his lips,

but

17 If e

feigning to help, he will trip you up,

18 then

2 Bear no burden too heavy for you;

the

6 W

8 Guard against being presumptuous;

do2

9 W

then he will urge you all the more.

10 Do

but

11 Do

for by prolonged talk he will test you,

and though smiling he will probe you.

12 Mercilessly he will make a laughingstock of you,3

and

13 Be on your guard and take care

never to accompany men of violence.

14 If y

15 Every

16 Every being is drawn to its own kind;

every man associates with his own kind.

17 Is a wolf ever allied with a lamb?

So it is with the sinner and the pious.

18 Can

19 Lion’s prey are the wild asses of the desert;

1 [Sir13:2] LXX / Heb(A), Syr add

2 [Sir13:8] others “humiliated in your folly”

3 [Sir13:12

against your life”

4 [Sir13:13] some LXX adds

5 [Sir13:17] Heb(A) adds

20 A proud man1 abhors lowliness;

so does the rich man abhor the poor.

21 When

when2

22 Many a

though3 man speaks they make sport of him;

23 A rich man speaks and all are silent,

his wisdom they extol to the clouds.

If he slips they cast him down.

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8/9/16

scoffer of limited Friendship:

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7/19/16

1Sa_

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6/26/16

Psa_

Psa 37:30 (36:30)

Psa 37:31 (36:31)

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6/13/16

>> review all of 1 & 2 Corinthians!!!

3Jn 1:10 with evil words

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6/13/16

Rev_

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Beyond Judging the Church

4/18/16

Burning Bridges with The World

5/6/16

>>Scrip:

Whoever looks back is not worthy

4/18/16; 5/1/16

Main question: Give honor to whom honor is due

>> you have troubled Israel…

>> 2Ki_3:14 –

kings of Israel

Seven sons confronting the Tyrant

Herod – go tell that fox

Martyrdom of Polycarp

Paul confronting Didimos / Bar-jesus

One main indicator: hypocrisy

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Quiet Withdraw

4/30/16

>> where else did I list this?

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When Not to Judge

4/9/16

Judging Hidden motives forbidden

Judah and Tamar

Prejudice is forbidden

When To Answer An Accusation

5/21/16

>> put with cheap shots

Jacob answering Laban

Gen 44:11 καὶ

Where is the boundary?

· When it is an authority

· When you actually have a chance to win

But you are at their mercy

Looking For Good -- How Eager to Be Up Front

1/8/16…4/22/16

Beyond Judging the Church

> add: Cheapshots

Beyond judging the church

Rom_16:18 - BBS: SOM: DO (as a slave!)

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12/3/14

Jch

Who is qualified to judge?

Sp man judges all

Let him who is sp retore..

No judge acording to sight

Judge rightous judgement

Pro: The poor discerns the ritch

So who is qualified?

Paul: I have already judged...

Those who are aproved by us

If any do not obey us, Note that man

> those who obey Paul

8/10/13

> ROW/ Judge CH

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Bbs: JCH

4/26/14

BBS: JCH – Heretics are choosing

3/31/14

Mayybe partly??:

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Heb_11:20 – Isack still blessed Esau

BBS: JCH – fb Refs...

5/17/14

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((( GOD EXPECTS US TO JUDGE )))

Rev_2:2

((( GOD'S RULES FOR JUDGING )))

((( JUDGE SCRIPTURALLY )))

((( PRAY FOR GOOD JUDGEMENT ABILITY )))

((( DON'T RESPECT ANYONE )))

((( JUDGE IN TRUTH )))

((( JUDGE MERCIFULLY )))

((( DON'T FORGET TO JUDGE YOURSELF )))

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Recognizing Bad Judging

6/18/13-6/20/13; 1/23/17

No Judging

Exo22

Mat_7:1, ect.

Rom_2:1, etc.

>> find: Google: TC mear men

Qualities of Bad Judgment

- Paul still spoke of them w tears

5/11/12

>> get also the Sirach passage

>> “open rebuke” (Pro_27:5)

- 1ti5... but consider…

- OT: do not spare yong or old...

5/20/12

Asking nothing for conscious sake

- bad company cirrupts...

Call to action

- change your phone number

> also add AL notes

What makes Heresy?

10/8/11

- "if they rejct you they reject Me"

Greek:...

Being soulish

Sexual imoraity, incuding dating

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Overseer Must be able to convict...

To Do

- Jesus teaching in the house

- Peter passing along the road

Name Calling

- sons of Baial

- pro Fool

- sons of the devil

- Paul: you son of all mistif...

- vile/ despised people

Need to Add

Come against wow as me doctrines

4. We can know Salvation (Election?)

> Redirect the terminology:

"I'm going after Jesus"

"I'm doing all I can to folow Jesus..."

Don’t Turn Away from Own Flesh

~1999-2009; …12/14/15; 4/22/16; 2/8/17

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8/13/18

·Johnathan stayed to fight against the philistines

·Johnathan stayed after Saul persecuted David

>> Sync: Lov | JCH | OUC

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12/18/17

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11/14/17

Deu 23:7

Deu 23:7 LB “

>> TSK

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>> put w story of Lot

Gen 32:22

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1/13/17

Exo 32:26

Exo 32:26 LB

Exo 32:26 ἔστη

Exo 32:27

Exo 32:27 καὶ

Exo 32:28

Exo 32:28 καὶ

Exo 32:29

Exo 32:29 καὶ

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As Jonathan was to King Saul

1. Cane and Able Gen 4:8

2. Jacob & Esau Gen 33:1-11

3. Isaac & Ishmael Gen 25:3-9

22:1-8

Deut 13:5-18

Deut 18:9-12, 20

- Jonathan with Disagreeable Saul

Isack and Ishmael, and Jcob and Esaw

History:

How Jesus causes division in Families

Jer - I sat alone

...

if not:

worse than an unbeliver

repay parents

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Future Additions:

Judging in 1 Corinthians

1Co_4:5 - κρινετε^{G2919
V-PAM-2P}

1Co_5:3 - κεκρικα^{G2919
V-RAI-1S}

Old

> compare LXX: not cleave

A Cessational Withdrawal

8/20/06; 1/16/10

Withdrawal

Why Specifically

Bind over to saten:

~2001-2004; 3/4/17 (recompiled)

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Josiahs Scott ·

Withdrawal from the disorderly

2Th 3:4 KJVA Wecommand you, brethren, you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly

14-15

Reject

Tit 3:10-11 MKJV After the first and second warning, reject

Mat 16:19 WEB

Mat 18:15-20 MKJV-Based Butlet him be to you as a heathen¹⁴⁸² [‘gentile’] and a tax-collectortwo of you shall agree

ß ß

Judge/disassociate/hand over to satan

1Co 5:1-7 EMTV

4 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered togetherdeliversuch a one to Satan

5:9-6:10 not to associate? Do you not judge those who are inside?put away from yourselves the evil person." 6:9-10 Or

false doctrine

1Ti 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise

4(KJV-Based)

The Servant of the Lord

2Ti 2:24-26 KJVA And

Rom 16:17-18 KJVA Now

(and conversely see: )

2Jo 1:8-11 MKJV Look

Word Devour Excerpts

Author and Date

Original Audience

Immediate Context

Personal application

Broad Context

(The words in Italics are my comments)

_{These verses are the ones that
people are happy to Quote:}

Mat 7:1 Judge²⁹¹⁹

>> NIV > CAB

1Co 4:4 For¹⁰⁶³judgeth³⁵⁰

5 Therefore⁵⁶²⁰

_{It’s hard because the Scriptures that say to
judge and the ones that say not to use the same word in Greek. Thankfully this
one is written right before he talks about how to judge so we can be sure that
the Bible is not contradicting its
self. Even more, this whole chunk of scripture shows the difference between bad
judging and right judging, so that even though he uses the same words to say
both, he differentiates by context and application. This one shows that we should not judge the}

…

1Co 5:3 For¹⁰⁶³

_{[I have ommited “have judged Concerning…” because it is not in the greek
and it changes the meaning].}

_…

1Co 5:9 I

1Co 5:10 Yet²⁵³²

1Co 5:11 But¹¹⁶¹

1Co 5:12 For¹⁰⁶³ what⁵¹⁰¹ have I³⁴²⁷ to do to judge²⁹¹⁹

1Co 5:13 But¹¹⁶¹

1Co 6:1 Dare⁵¹¹¹

1Co 6:2 Do

1Co 6:3 Know

1Co 6:4 If¹⁴³⁷

1Co 6:5 I

_{This shows that even the ‘baby
Corinthians’ could judge.}

_{Here are some more that most
people are afraid to quote:}

>> NIV > CAB

Joh 5:30 I¹⁴⁷³

JESUS Judges:

MT 12:34 You

MT 23:29 ...

MT 23:33

>> NIV > CAB

LK 17:

TIT 2:15 These

1. Don’t Associate with Unrepentant church People

2Th 3 – Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians

1Co 5-6 – Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan

1Ti 6 – Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence

Tit 3 – Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man

Gal 1; 2Co 11 – Another Gospel

2Jn 1 – Don’t Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness

Heresy is Ultimately Judged as Intentional

3. Don’t Give into the Manipulation of Heretics

Don’t Play Games Of Making Up Motives for Other people’s Hearts

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if You’re Right with God!

Psa 101 – Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 – Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent

Come Out From The Midst Of Them

Additions

Limited Responsibility When There is Sin against My Council

Automatic Social Responsibility

You Can’t Straddle the Fence Forever

Commanded Judgment Is God's Judgment

Anathema

Commanded Judgement is The Judgement of God, Not Man

Ay: Who Can Dust the Dust off Their Feet?

Proclamation Training

Rebuke is the Opposite of Hate

Non-Assumption Judgement

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Judge Yourself

Friend of Sinners

Standing Away From Worthless & Dead Weight

No Word Fights

Eli Was Rejected for Not Judging the Church

Flattering Diplomacy vs. Wise Separation

Humble People Judge

Judging & Determining Sin Much Faster Than Flesh Balls Are Willing To Admit

Neh: I am Involved in An Important Work

Respect of countenances / Respect of persons

How Harsh to Strike a Pagan “Elder”

At First, Lot Gave the Sodomites More Credit Than The Angels Did

Beyond Judging the Church

Burning Bridges with The World

How harshly to confront hypocritical, non-church people & Leaders

Quiet Withdraw

When Not to Judge

When To Answer An Accusation

Looking For Good -- How Eager to Be Up Front

Not Playing Games -- Calling people on Their Bluff

A Cessational Withdrawal

Withdrawal

Why Specifically

Bind over to saten:

Don’t Associate With Unrepentant Church People

Withdrawal from the disorderly

Reject

Treat as Tax Collector (Corporate “Binding”)

Judge/disassociate/hand over to satan

false doctrine

The Servant of the Lord

Word Devour Excerpts

Author and Date

Original Audience

Immediate Context

Personal application

Broad Context