Judging The Church

& Separating From (The Rest Of) The World

& Separating From All Sin

Judging & Separation

Separation From The World & Judging The Church

& Separating From The Rest of the World

The Bible Passages that Practically No One Obeys Anymore About Judging those in the church


Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

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>> Additions/ TODO!

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Looking For Good -- How Eager to Be Up Front




Explanation and Introduction. 1

1. Dont Associate with Unrepentant church People. 2

2Th 3 Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians. 2

1Co 5-6 Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan. 2

1Ti 6 Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence. 3

2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly! 3

Tit 3 Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man. 3

Gal 1; 2Co 11 Another Gospel 4

Rom 16 Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching. 4

2Jn 1 Dont Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness. 4

3. Dont Give into the Manipulation of Heretics. 4

2Co_11:20-21 Don't Turn the other Cheek to Manipulative church People. 5

Judge those who Claim to be Apostles. 5

4. What Should a Real Disciple do?. 5

Psalms and More A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing. 5

Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church. 5

First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if Youre Right with God! 6

If There is Persecution. 7

5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?. 8

Mat 12 Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost) 8

Psa 101 Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People. 8

2Co 6 Come Out from Among Them.. 8

Luk 10; 1Jo 4 Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent 8

6. Dont Help Sin. 8

Considerations. 9

Come Out From The Midst Of Them.. 9



Explanation and Introduction

Have you ever wondered why the Modern church is dead and why spiritual cancer seems to spread so freely like wildfire? Here are the Bible verses that practically no one wants you to believe about judging those in the church, especially those who live in sin and call themselves Christians.


If you have other Scriptures that you would like to suggest adding to this study please email Josiahs@TrueConnection.org



1. Dont Associate with Unrepentant church People


2Th 3 Withdrawal from the Disorderly christians

2Th_3:4 KJV We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you both do and will do the things we command


2Th_3:6-7 KJV Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;


2Th_3:13-15 KJV But ye, brethren, be not weary [ἐκκακήσητε lit. (fall) out (into) evil-nasty-bad-ness; i.e. do not go out of your current state into bad-feeling-ness (as if sick or exhausted) so that you let off] in well doing. 14 And if any man obey not [οὐχ ὑπακούει lit. does not (submissively) listen under (unto obeying)] our word [τῷ λόγῳ ἡμῶν] by this epistle, note [σημειοῦσθε lit. put a sign/ mark (on)] that man, and *have no company with [* μὴ συναναμίγνυσθαι lit. no together-up/again-mixing, or, do not up-again-(i.e. repeatedly/ thoroughly/ intensely)-mix-together (with)] him, that *he may be ashamed [* ἐντραπῇ lit. in-turned; i.e. inverted, or fig. humbled down so that he is put down on the ground from his lofty/ proud stance]. 15 Yet [καὶ and] count [ἡγεῖσθε lead yourself (to act with)] him not as an enemy, but admonish* [νουθετεῖτε (G3560) lit. mind-ify (him); i.e. (make him) mindful/ put him in mind] him as a brother.


* That is, νου- (nou-) from νοῦς (nos; G3563) meaning mind, combined with τίθημι (tthēmi; G5087), to place.

Strongs says:

G3560 νουθετέω noutheteō noo-thet-eh'-o

From the same as G3559; to put in mind, that is, (by implication) to caution or reprove gently: - admonish, warn.


1Co 5-6 Judge/ Disassociate/ Hand-over to satan

It is good if you can read all of 1Corinthians 5 through 6:10 to get a complete understanding on judging the church. Here are the main parts of this teaching:


1Co_5:1-7 CAB It is actually heard that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather grieved, so that he who did this deed would be removed from your midst. 3 For I indeed, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has done this deed in this way, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus [see: 2Co_2:4-11]. 6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole batch? 7 Purge out the old leaven


1Co_5:9-13 I wrote to you in my epistle not to associate with fornicators. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world! 11 But now I write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous person, or an idolater, or abusive person, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."


1Co_6:2-3 CAB Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Let alone ordinary matters!


1Co_6:9-10 Jos.Trans. ...don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,G3120 nor homosexuals,G733 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor criticizers,G3060 nor forceful takers,G727 will inherit the kingdom of God.


(compare Mat 7 notes below)


Jesus Had this Extreme Attitude

This is an extreme attitude of opposition toward those who claim to be christians and live in sin! In fact, Jesus puts it this way:


Mat_10:34-36 WEB "Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn't come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at odds against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 A man's foes will be those of his own household.


And this extreme war-like attitude of opposition to corrupters dates back throughout the Old Testament, as it was given to the Church of their day. It gave charges concerning those who were inside the community who would try to justify being in sin and leading others into it.

People are still around today, living in sin and promoting this cancer for others to take in just like those warned against in the Old Testament, and if you ever get close to applying these above verses today, those who live in sin will often say that, that was the Old Testament, but now we are under grace! But this argument is only a foolish westernized perversion. And how do we know this for sure? Because in the above Corinthian passage it quotes from this Old Testament attitude when Paul applies it to Christians and charges them to oppose and expel those who try to pollute the New Testament Church:


But those who are outside God will judge. Therefore "put away from yourselves [as opposed to outsiders] the evil person, (1Co_5:13 CAB).


Deuteronomy is The Basis For 1Co 5-6

This is a direct quote from Deuteronomy showing that Paul specifically charges us to reaffirm this Old Testament attitude into the current practice of judging those in the Church today:


Deu_13:1-11 CAB And if there arise within you a prophet, or one who dreams a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass which he spoke to you, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you know not; 3 you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of that dream, because the Lord your God is testing you, to see whether you love your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God, and fear Him, and you shall hear His voice, and attach yourselves to Him. 5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you. 6 And if your brother by your father or mother, or your son, or daughter, or your wife in your bosom, or friend who is equal to your own soul, entreat you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the nations that are round about you, who are near you or at a distance from you, from one end of the earth to the other; 8 you shall not consent to him, neither shall you hearken to him; and your eye shall not spare him, you shall feel no regret for him, neither shall you at all protect him: 9 you shall surely report concerning him, and your hands shall be upon him among the first to slay him, and the hands of all the people at the last. 10 And they shall stone him with stones, and he shall die, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not again do according to this evil thing among you.


This is repeated:

Deu_17:7 CAB And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shall you remove the evil one from among yourselves.


And it is repeated again and again:

Deu_19:19, Deu_22:21, Deu_22:24, Deu_24:7;


Though this harsh teaching is old, it is not obsolete. In fact, this teaching still stands today as a powerful charge of commitment to Love God more than the comfort of men, even if that means confronting sin in them.

Though we dont kill people with the death penalty today as they did in their day (being a theocracy on earth that we no longer have) we are commanded to put them out of the church, hand them over to satan, and declare them damned to Hell (anathema) as the above Corinthian passage and many others show.


1Co_16:22 KJV If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema


1Ti 6 Wholesome Words, and the Doctrine According to Good-Reverence

Withdraw From People who Teach Contrary to the Wholesome Words, those of Jesus, and the Doctrine According to Good- Reverence:


--------------- from DivRem:

1Ti_6:3-5 CAB If anyone *teaches differently [* ἑτεροδιδασκαλεῖ lit. does other teaching] and does not *consent to [* προσέρχεται lit. come/ draw near to] sound words, even those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine [διδασκαλίᾳ teaching] which accords with godliness [εὐσέβειαν lit. good (εὐ) reverence (σέβειαν)/ adoration; see: G2150 > G2152 > G2095 + G4576], 4 he is puffed up, understanding [ἐπιστάμενος lit. standing upon; fig. establishing the mind on] nothing, but is *morbidly concerned with [* νοσῶν περὶ lit. sick around/ concerning] disputes [ζητήσεις lit. seekings/ questions] and word battles, from [ἐξ out (of)] which come [γίνεται becomes/ is begotten] envy, strife, slanders [βλασφημίαι blasphemies; lit. damage-speakings; fig. slander-speakings (against God or people)], evil suspicions [1ὑπόνοιαι 2πονηραί 2evil/ wicked/ perverted, 1under-minded-thinking], 5 constant wrangling [διαπαρατριβαὶ] of men of corrupt minds [νοῦν] and having been deprived [ἀπεστερημένων] of the truth, supposing [νομιζόντων] that godliness [εὐσέβειαν lit. good reverence] is a means of profit. Withdraw from such people.



2. Especially Reject Heretics Harshly!


Tit 3 Reject A Self-Condemned Heretic Man

Tit_3:9-11 I translated verse 10 to be as accurate as possible


Tit_3:9 CAB But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies, and strifes and legal fights; for they are unprofitable and futile.


Tit_3:10 Jos.Trans A hereticG141 man, after the first and second warningG3559, rejectG3868


Tit_3:11 CAB knowing that such a person has been perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

[compare 1Ti_6:3-5 wholesome words]



hereticG141 man αἱρετικὸν G141 ἄνθρωπον (aihretikon anthrōpon): The Greek word heretic here (aihretikon) has to do with choosing things that are outside the main body of truth, which is essentially the same as αἵρεσις (haresis), G139 Heresy; compare Gal_5:20; 2Pe_2:1)

warningG3559 This Greek word νουθεσίαν (nouthesa) is basically the same as νουθετέω (noutheteō), as quoted previously (G3560).

rejectG3868 - παραιτοῦ (paraituo) literally means to ask aside; Strongs says:

G3868 παραιτέομαι paraiteomai par-ahee-teh'-om-ahee

From G3844 and the middle of G154; to beg off, that is, deprecate, decline, shun: - avoid, (make) excuse, intreat, refuse, reject.

Parallel Passage

2Ti_2:14-19 Oppose Error

2Ti_2:23-24 No foolishness for The Servant of the Lord


Gal 1; 2Co 11 Another Gospel

Gal_1:8-9 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (and see 1Co_16:22)


2Co_11:2-4 CAB For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy, for I have betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest perhaps as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes to you preaches another Jesus whom we did not preach, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you may well put up with him!


Rom 16 Turn Away from those who are Contrary to the Teaching

Rom_16:17-20 WEB Now I beg you, brothers, look out for those who are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrineG1322 which you learned, and turn away from them. 18 For those who are such don't serve our Lord, Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the innocentG172. 19 But I desire to have you wise in that which is good, but innocent G185 [simple (or unmixed)] in that which is evil. 20 And the God of peace will quickly crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.


Note: I corrected the two words above that are frequently misrepresented as the same word; most versions typically either have them both represented as simple or innocent. We should distinguish them like this since they are two very different words in Greek, as the Strongs numbers above indicate.


2Jn 1 Dont Welcome them into Your House, or Wish them Any Goodness

2Jn_1:7-11 WEB For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, that we don't lose the things which we have accomplished, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whoever transgresses and doesn't remain in the teachingG1322 of Christ, doesn't have God. He who remains in the teachingG1322, the same has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you, and doesn't bring this teachingG1322, don't receive him into your house, and don't welcomeG5463 him, 11 for he who welcomesG5463 him participates in his evil works.



G1322 - διδαχή (didachē): Teaching or Doctrine

G5463 χαίρω (chairō) directly means to favor/ rejoice, because in the Biblical mindset, favoring is rejoicing. In 2Jn_1:10-11 the word is used twice in the Present Tense and Active Voice [χαιρειν (chairein)] which means that a real Christian is forbidden to wish such a heretic to be favor-rejoicing, which was a common practice of wishing someone well and displaying kindness as a greeting, and this is forbidden for real disciples to wish upon the defiled favor-rejoicing of heretics, because it is overtly evil in promoting sin.



Heresy is Ultimately Judged as Intentional

~11/1/17; 11/3/17; 3/19/18

Deu_13:5 WEB That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which Yahweh your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.

Deu_13:5 And that prophet or that dreamer of a dream shall die; for he has spoken to make you err from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, who redeemed you from bondage, to thrust you out of the way which the Lord your God commanded you to walk in. So shall you abolish the evil from among you.

Deu_13:5 (13:6) καὶ ὁ προφήτης ἐκεῖνος ἢ ὁ τὸ ἐνύπνιον ἐνυπνιαζόμενος ἐκεῖνος ἀποθανεῖται· ἐλάλησεν γὰρ πλανῆσαί σε ἀπὸ κυρίου τοῦ θεοῦ σου τοῦ ἐξαγαγόντος σε ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου τοῦ λυτρωσαμένου σε ἐκ τῆς δουλείας ἐξῶσαί σε ἐκ τῆς ὁδοῦ, ἧς ἐνετείλατό σοι κύριος ὁ θεός σου πορεύεσθαι ἐν αὐτῇ· καὶ ἀφανιεῖς τὸν πονηρὸν ἐξ ὑμῶν αὐτῶν.

>> Sync: SPI | JCH (Deu_13:5)




3. Dont Give into the Manipulation of Heretics

Don't let the proud take advantage of you and manipulate you into doing things on their behalf

2Ti_3:5-6 CAB ...And from these people turn away! 6 For of these are those who creep into houses and captivate gullible women having been loaded down with sins, who are led by various lusts,

Pro_22:24 CAB Be not companion to a furious man, neither lodge with a passionate [or "furious" (KJV)] man,

(Compare Pro_19:19)


If this applies to the outside world, how much more would it apply to a heretic or hypocrite inside the church?

2Co_6:14-18 CAB Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness? 15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? 16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God has said: "I will dwell in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."


2Co_11:20-21 Don't Turn the other Cheek to Manipulative church People

2Co_11:20-21 CAB For you put up with it if someone enslaves you, if someone devours you, if someone takes from you, if someone exalts himself, if someone strikes you in the face. 21 To our shame, I say that we were too weak for that!...

Paul rebukes them with a stroke of sarcasm at the end here. Also compare:

Pro_25:26 WEB Like a muddied spring, and a polluted well, So is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

So don't give way to manipulation, but instead have the REAL Love that God gives, because:

"Love...doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;" (1Co_13:4, 6 WEB).


Dont Play Games Of Making Up Motives for Other peoples Hearts

Despising others With an Evil Eye and Dreaming Up Silly and rediculous Motives for Other People's Hearts without Any Evidence or Basis

This is the crime of the wicked and despising individule who has darkness and bitter gaul in their perverted heart. When you go around making up pretend motive for other people without any basis, then this is a wicked irasioality that glories in evil for the sake of evil. If they actually did it to confront real sin then they would be sound and resonable and wait for a bais before making rediculous assumtions about the hidden motives of other people's hearts.

Add Scrip:

1Co 4 vs. Ch 5

Intruding into things he has not seen


You take too much on yourself... Who do you make yourself out to be?


Judge those who Claim to be Apostles

Rev_2:2; 1Jo_4:1-6

If they claim to be Apostles and are not, then dont help them (2Jn_1:9-11)!

This is also seen from the fact that if the church puts someone out, or if you are called to reject them personally, you cannot agree with this judgment while helping that very same person with what they have need of.


4. What Should a Real Disciple do?


Psalms and More A Biblical Attitude of Withdrawing

Psa_15:1-5 CAB O Lord, who shall sojourn in Your tabernacle? And who shall dwell in Your holy mountain? 2 He that walks blameless, and works righteousness, who speaks truth in his heart. 3 Who has not spoken craftily with his tongue, neither has done evil to his neighbor, nor taken up a reproach against them that dwell nearest to him. 4 In his sight an evil worker is set at nought*, but he honors them that fear the Lord 5 He that does these things shall never be moved.


* Greek (LXX) is: ἐξουδένωταιG1847 (exoudenōtai): to make nothing or to despise

Psa_119:115 CAB Depart from me, You evildoers; for I will search out the commandments of my God.

Psa_6:8 CAB Depart from me, all you that work iniquity; for the Lord has heard the voice of my weeping.

And this is quoted by Jesus:

Mat_7:23 CAB "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!'

Psa_26:3-6 CAB For Your mercy is before my eyes; and I am well pleased with Your truth. 4 I have not sat with the council of vanity, and shall by no means enter in with transgressors. 5 I have hated the assembly of evildoers; and will not sit with the ungodly. 6 I will wash my hands in innocence, and compass Your altar, O Lord;

Jer_15:15-18 CAB O Lord, remember me, and visit me, and vindicate me before them that persecute me. Do not bear long with them; know how I have met with reproach for Your sake, from those who nullify Your words. 16 Consume them, and Your word shall be to me for the joy and gladness of my heart. For Your name has been called upon me, O Lord Almighty. 17 I have not sat in the assembly of them as they mocked, but I feared because of Your power. I sat alone, for I was filled with bitterness. 18 Why do they that grieve me prevail against me? My wound is severe; when shall I be healed? It has indeed become to me as deceitful water that has no faithfulness.

Psa_101:1-8 CAB A Psalm of David. I will sing to You, O Lord, of mercy and judgment; I will sing a psalm, 2 and I will be wise in a blameless way. When will You come to me? I walked in the innocence of my heart, in the midst of my house. 3 I have not set before my eyes any unlawful thing; I have hated transgressors. 4 A perverse heart has not cleaved to me; I have not known an evil man, forasmuch as he turns away from me. 5 Him that secretly speaks against his neighbor, him have I driven from me; he that is proud in look and insatiable in heart with him I have not eaten. 6 My eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me; he that walked in a perfect way, the same ministered to me. 7 He that is proud dwelled not in the midst of my house; the unjust speaker prospered not in my sight. 8 Early did I slay all the sinners of the land, that I might destroy out of the city of the Lord all that work iniquity.


Also see:

Psa_1:1; [Pro_9:6, MT] Pro_13:20; Psa_26:9; Psa_31:6 [compare LXX vs. MT]; Psa_119:63; Psa_139:19; Psa_139:21, Psa_139:22; 2Ki_3:13, 2Ki_3:14; Est_3:2; Isa_32:5-6; Dan_5:17-31; Mat_9:11, Mat_9:12; Mat_25:41; Bad flattering Lawyers: Act_24:2-3, But Paul: Act_24:25; 1Co_5:9-11; 1Co_15:33; 2Co_6:17; Jam_2:1-9

(edited from TSK)


Biblical Commands when Confronting sin in the Church

Jud_1:22-23 WEB On some have compassion, making a distinction, 23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.


Tit_3:10-11 KJVCNT A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sins, being condemned of himself.


Luk_17:1-4 WEB He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no occasions of stumbling should come, but woe to him through whom they come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 Be careful. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. 4 If he sins against you seven times in the day, and seven times returns, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."


Mat_18:15-18 WEB "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother. 16 But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the assembly. If he refuses to hear the assembly also, let him be to you as a Gentile [i.e. a nation (that means YOU)] or a tax collector. 18 Most assuredly I tell you, whatever things you will bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever things you will release on earth will be released in heaven. 19 Again, assuredly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them." 21 Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.


Mat_18:35 KJV And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.


>> Add: Jesus Ethnocentric Statements

- Background: Jews have no dealings with gentiles / those of another nation (Acts)

- salvation is from the Jews (Joh_4)

- children's bread and toss it to their dogs

- as a nation and tax collector

- not until Acts that Peter finds out he can be with physical nations, and that, only after he learned the parable of NOT being with nations so he could judge the church


First Check Your Heart for Mercy, and See if Youre Right with God!

Mat_9:13 CAB But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice'


Seek Peace, Dont Take to Court

Mat_5:21-26 KJV Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

(compare Pro_25:8-11, MT vs. LXX)


Dont Take to Court

Luk_12:57-59 WEB Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 For when you are going with your adversary before the magistrate, try diligently on the way to be released from him, lest perhaps he drag you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will by no means get out of there, until you have paid the very last penny."

Compare 1Co_6:1-8: Possibly take before the church if they claim to be a christian, but not before the courts, just as it is seen above in Luk_17:1-4 and Mat_18:15-18.


If they are a Real Christian

Mat_7:1-5 KJV Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

>> Add Rom_ 14-15 this is similar. Also Integrate the comments below


If they are Not a Real Christian

Mat_7:13-29 CAB "Enter in through the narrow gate; because wide is the gate, and broad is the way which leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in through it. 14 How narrow the gate, and confined the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it! 15 "But beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grape clusters from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 Thus every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire. 20 Consequently, by their fruits you shall know them. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name we cast out demons, and in Your name we did many mighty works?' 23 "And then I will confess to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you who work iniquity!' 24 "Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and does them, I will compare him to a wise man who built his house upon the rock: 25 and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and fell against that house; and it did not fall, for it had been founded upon the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them, will be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And its fall was great." 28 And so it was, when Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not like the scribes.

>> See: SOM | Testimony


Compare this teaching on not judging with:

Mat_7:13-27 - how to judge; and again, compare:

1Co_4:2-5 - How not to judge, with

1Co 5 & 6 - How to judge;


And also notice the overall prohibitions in these passages against judging the hidden motives of others, especially of real Christian brothers, and notice this same principle in Jas_4:11-12.


Jealous for Justice

Luk_12:13-15 KJV And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.


Rom_14:10-14 KJV But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.


1Jo_5:16-18 KJV If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Gal_6:1-5 CAB Brothers, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness, looking out for yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks that he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each person examine his own work, and then he will have boasting in himself alone, and not in the other. 5 For each one shall bear his own load.


Jas_5:19-20 CAB Brothers, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth, and anyone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner back from the error of his way will save a soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.


The Servant of the Lord Confronting Sin when there is still Hope

2Ti_2:24-26 KJV And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


If There is Persecution

Luk_3:19-20 WEB but Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias, his brother's wife, and for all the evil things which Herod had done, 20 added this also to them all, that he shut up John in prison.


Mar_6:11 CAB And as many as do not receive you nor hear you, as you leave from there, shake off the dust underneath your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom or for Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"


Mat_10:23 CAB But whenever they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly I say to you, by no means will you have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.


Mar_6:12 CAB And when they went out, they were preaching that people should repent.


(This is called the Gospel in Luk_9:6; Also see: Act_13:51)


Joh_7:7 CAB The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify about it, that its works are evil.


Joh_3:18-21 CAB He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the light, because their works were evil. 20 For everyone that does evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."


Mat_10:26-28 CAB Therefore do not fear them. For nothing is concealed that shall not be unveiled, and secret that shall not be made known. 27 "What I say to you in the dark, say in the light; and what you hear in the ear, proclaim on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both the soul and the body in hell.


5. What Should The Repentant Church Person Do?


Mat 12 Acknowledge that the Stakes are High (Count the Cost)

Mat_12:30 WEB "He who is not with me is against me, and he who doesn't gather with me, scatters.


Psa 101 Get Away From the Bad Things and the Bad People

Psa_101:2-4 KJ2000 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when will you come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. 3 I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. 4 A perverse heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.


2Co 6 Come Out from Among Them

2Co_6:17-18 WEB Therefore, "'Come out from among them, And be separate,' says the Lord, 'Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you. 18 I will be to you a Father. You will be to me sons and daughters,' says the Lord Almighty."


Luk 10; 1Jo 4 Listen to Those Whom God Has Sent

Luk_10:16 CAB He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me."

1Jn_4:6 CAB We are of God. He that knows God hears us; he that is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.


See Bible study on Repenting:




6. Dont Help Sin

5/8/08; 3/19/10; 6/26/10; 3/25/11; 11/1/11; 2/8/17 (recompiled, enhanced)

> Note: This Bible study is e-Sword Compatible


Here is where we talk more and more about separating from the rest of the world (not just the church).

These principles apply not only to the church but to all people who sin.


1Ti_5:22 WEB Lay hands hastily on no one, neither be a participant in other men's sins. Keep yourself pure.


Dan_1:8 - "Daniel purposed...not [to] defile himself"...so how should we handle others? (Compare 1Ti_5:22 above).


Eph_5:11 WEB Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.


- How can you "reprove them" if you are knowingly helping them happen?


More on "don't participate in others sins": 2Jo_1:11; Rev_18:4


Isa_41:6-7 - Don't help with Idolatry


Jer_23:14 KJV they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.


Eze_13:22-23 WEB Because with lies you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, and be saved alive:


Could this isolate you from society, your church, or even your own family? In light of all this, it is easy to see why Jesus said these things:


Mat_10:16-23 KJ2000 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles 22 And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee into another 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.



- Why should we beware of men if they are no challenge to our own pursuit of God?

- Why does Jesus expectation anticipate that A LOT of people are going to be offended at those who follow Him?

- Where is our persecution?

- Are we going with the flow to some degree to keep a peace, that Jesus did not come to bring?


Luk 6:22 KJ2000 Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.


- How does this happen if we are agreeable to most mens ways?


1Co_10:24-33 Food Sacrificed to Idols


This entire principal of not helping sin is powerfully displayed in avoiding food sacrificed to idols... can you imagine saying, No, I cannot eat your food that you prepared for me because you told me it would help you participate in your sin of idolatry.?

This shows the principal of awareness as being the basis of your liability for going along with and helping in other peoples sins.


Isa_26:8 b - 'your name & renown, are the desire of our soul'... So how can I possibly help promote anything to the contrary?


If we can relate to not promoting propaganda for Hitler if we were in Nazi Germany, why is it we cannot relate to not promoting material that dishonors God? Why is it that our heart would naturally cringe away from things that would promote the death of other human beings, but we cant relate to naturally detesting the idea of helping pass out things that dishonor God? Is His name and renown the desire of our soul?

If someone were promoting literature falsely defaming your own mother, you would not even think of helping one step of the way. If someone asked, Could you hand me that Anti-mom flyer there? You would resolutely say No! Is it right that we give more honor to our mothers than to God? It is true that our mothers bore us, but God created us. Yes they are our authority, but God is our Lord and King:


Act 5:29 KJV We ought to obey God rather than men.



Rom_14:22 - 'blessed is he who does not condemn himself by what he approves'


Come Out From The Midst Of Them

2Co_6:12-18 CAB 12 you are restricted by your own affections 14 Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there for righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion is there for light with darkness? 15 And what agreement is there for Christ with Belial? [that is, the devil] Or what part is there for a believer with an infidel? [that is, ἄπιστος (apistos) - an unbeliever] 16 And what union is there for the temple of God with idols?... 17 Therefore "Come out from the midst of them and be separated," says the Lord. "Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."


(Also: Isa_52:11/ Eze_20:34, Eze_20:41)


It is time to be like Job


Job_1:1 WEB There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job. That man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

>> Sync: JCH | WoW


Whether it is the hypocritical dirtiness of the church, or the more overt sin of the rest of the world, it is high time to Come Out From The Midst Of Them.





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Limited Responsibility When There is Sin against My Council

haFri May 3 at 9:52pm

@Hd my sister (who was kicked out) is asking me for money to borrow $200 to pay her rent. I mentioned to her that i think she should come home since she cant afford her apartment. She said to me she thought about that but in order to break her lease she would have to pay $1600 to leave it and her roommate threatened to take her to court if she didnt pay that fee if she broke the lease. She is in between jobs right now being registered to start a new one in a few weeks. Is it bad to hire her to work for me for a few days?


@team if anyone can help me this would be appreciated. I am supposed to go to work tomorrow and this scenario is really making my night challenging....


HdFri May 3 at 10:11pm

@H2: yes, I don't think I would get involved in that situation. If someone was not eager enough to reach out to you before they were in this situation then it is not likely at all that there's any reason for you to be involved in the strain of someone's sin wages...



HdFri May 3 at 10:15pm


@H2: I am not sure the best way to express it but if I could say it bluntly I might say, it is not at all appropriate for me to help uphold someone's life style when they are going against my counsel...


As far as I understand it's so far this is not a situation where someone made a bad decision and now they regret it and are reasonable enough to go along with the council of healthiness... They are evidently still living in the same error and insubordination that got them in this predicament in the first place


haFri May 3 at 10:21pm

Yes thany you so much wise Sir


HdFri May 3 at 10:23pm

@H2: :+)


@H2: I become responsible for someone when they take on the yoke of my Superior council. but when the inhumane madness of someone's folly brings disaster upon them then their disaster glorifies my council that it was true, and this is the case on up until the point when they finally come to their senses and are being willing enough to repent... (At least in the very minimum to a socially reasonable level)


HdFri May 3 at 10:29pm

And while I myself certainly do not wish disaster on anyone, yet I must leave space for the Divine council of wisdom to be glorified whenever possible


haFri May 3 at 10:36pm

Yes a very challenging thing to do..... Thanks for making things very clear great shining Sir.


AlFri May 3 at 11:00pm

Yes he's so wise and dreamy


HdFri May 3 at 11:01pm

(@H2: it is generically lawful for her to sell something of hers to you, such as sacrificing her car or something, in order to buy her way out of her sin taxations, but this might be one of the only ways you could more safely interact with the situation. If it is not her sacrifice buying her way out of trouble, then stay clear of the mess)


HdFri May 3 at 11:02pm

(and I wouldn't think you should even bring something up like that unless she is really eager to make a difference her situation)


HdFri May 3 at 11:07pm

This is the prestigious glory of wisdom when she is triumphant and glorified even in those who do not obey her


HdFri May 3 at 11:07pm

(that was sent earlier, but just posted)


haSat May 4 at 7:10am

I hope i made wisdom happy


AlSat May 4 at 9:13am



@hd Good Morning wise man = -)




Dont Get Traumatized so as to Not Judge the Church



Job: his children are for slaughter


1Co_4: we are the of scoring of the world


1Co_5: put such a one out of your company



See: LLO > Accepting Rebuke / Rebuking with the right Gentleness





Ay: Pagan Feast Socialites


>> JCH > Separation from World


At what point do you get up and leave?


Dont sit in the seat of scoffers / in the assembly of evil doers


Luk_10:8, 1Co_10:27




Purification by Truth



Whittling down the crowds

- Gideon (>> where have I quoted this?)

- Jesus: Hat father mother

- Jesus: eat flesh drink blood





Automatic Social Responsibility

Other date(s); 3/19/18


By default, unless indicated otherwise, Males are automatically socially responsible for what their city does...


-- TSK


comp. w Abbigale


annihilate people (but not the things)?


Anathema -- completely destroy everything with burning


how does this correlate with the different levels of JCH?

for example, in the worse Judging, you arte to "hate even the garment stained by the flesh" -- i.e. with a full anathema, you don't take anything that belongs to them.




put away pointing fingers


Communion - cease-and-desist letter

11/17/17 (Josiahs dreamed about this letter)


From Josiahs and the rest of the disciples and leaders to all of the other churches of the world.


Based on the authority of Bible obedience, you and your church are now being formally ordered and charged to immediately cease-and-desist from taking any form of communion (Eucharist / the Lord's Supper / etc.) forever, Until it may be determined and confirmed by us in writing that you have entered into communion with us and with the Truth.


The essential prerequisite for having True communion with us is properly and fully receiving us as we are in truth with all sanity and faith and faithfulness and reasonableness and rationally thinking soundness and consistency according to the way that God has spoken about us and treated us and considered us and approved of us and commissioned us from heaven.



here and do


Paul: I want to preach the gospel to you at Rome


so-and-so doesn't receive us...


you have reigned as kings without us



if indeed your church repents of Pride and fleshly arrogance and foolish confidence and rebellious strength and forsakes all her evil Deeds, and independent religious practices (which are done without us and without our approval), then 'we are eager to preach the good announcement also to you who are in this city' and to reconcile you to us and to the God of Bible obedience.


if you do not obey our word by this letter, then we will formally excommunicate you and hand you and your church over to Satan, including both your leadership and all official members. you will have no right to take communion or anything that looks like communion.


{nor will you be at all permitted to slightly imply that you have any association with the Bible or with any of the rest of our writings or heritage, or that you have any association or partnership or Covenant or good standing with the real, historical, Jesus found in the Bible.

(any public Bible reading will be strictly limited to 'searching the scriptures to see if these things be so'.)}


by taking communion

{or implying any association or favor or good standing with Jesus}


have done much worse than simply putting the cart before the horse. you have actually infringed on precious and valuable content that does not belong to you.


The practices of communion {as well as the Proclamation/preaching of the Scriptures} are not public domain / open source or otherwise publicly owned or freely usable by the human community, but they are registered intellectual, moral, and spiritual property of our God and our heritage, and are exclusively licensed for use by us and those who are in full communion with us.

any other use is unlawful infringement, and because of this, you and your church are being issued this order to cease and desist.


the scope and essence of this letter and it's substance are not subject to or relevant with any human Court or authority or jurisdiction at all whatsoever. this letter is purely spiritual, and enforceable by Divine judgement and Universal excommunication from all of those who love the Truth.


if you do not repent and stop playing foolish and religious games, and acknowledge and repent of your hypocrisy and blindness and ignorance, and make arrangements for you and all of your church to hear the real good announcement from us at length, then this cease-and-desist letter will be a binding debt upon you, and you will be guilty of insubordination / Rebellion, defamation of character / slander, copyright infringement, theft of intellectual moral spiritual property. you will be subject to excommunication by the innocent who are poor in spirit, along with all Associated hazards, dangers, demonizations (remembering what eventually happened to Judas Iscariot), and you will be cut off from the Truth and all of those who love the Truth, and the blood of Jesus will have no effect at all to save you, especially beyond this life, and you will be subject to isolation from the truth and to bitter judgments and deceptions eventually resulting in the fire of hell.



Isaiah : away with your Feasts they are an Abomination to me, who has required this from your hand to trample my courts?

to take my words upon you?






You Cant Straddle the Fence Forever


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V and Man conversation:


Either intentionally forsake the wicked, or you will unintentionally sin against the righteous.


>> Bapstist Pastor in Trenton

>> Mike Gorrie (2006 vs. 2009)