Gender Parables

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

6/23/07 (+Word: Created; original title: Women); 9/13/11; 9/14/11 (Word: Modified: 9:50AM); 1/16/12-1/22/12 (recompiled; Geographical Righteousness added); 2/6/17-2/8/17 (recompiled); 2/21/17…2/28/21

Originally titled: Women, etc.

TAGS: male and female parables

>> Additions / TODO -- GP!

Women In Assembly

Singing Women

Biblical Beards

>> Additions / TODO -- WiA!

These are unpublished personal notes for our community.

Like usual, in cases like this, you should contact us so that we can teach you all of these exciting and helpful things.

Note: these are only personal, scrap notes thrown together for now.

If you would like to help in revising them please let me know.

Contents

Becoming a Fearless Woman. 2

Portraits of Fearful Women. 2

Headship. 3

Independence Fears. 3

People, Providence, Submission & Authority. 3

1Pe_2-3 – No Fear, In All Fear 4

Unthankfulness, Unsubmission, & Fear 4

Real vs. Shallow “Thankfulness”. 4

Long Live the King. 5

Bitter to Thankful Fear 6

Take Things Well 6

Women Who Win! 7

Staying Feminine in a World of Rush. 7

Woman at the Well 7

Don’t Poison Sweet Water 7

Dominos of Catastrophe. 8

Al’s Concerns. 8

It is Very Non-Femenin to Not Love. 8

Two ways to relate to God. 9

Being who you were made to be sets you free spiritually. 9

Not Talking about Romance Primarily. 9

Love that is Feminine. 9

Bible Paul as a Mother 10

Men Should Not be Like Women. 10

Righteous Geographical Boundaries. 10

Home Bound. 10

Maintenance is a Male Authority’s Obligation. 10

Binding and Loosing – What Does The Father Want or Prefer?. 11

Outside of Father’s Home? – Ruth Living with Naomi 11

Japheth’s Daughter had Friends... They Went Camping. 12

Mary. 12

The Women Who Followed Jesus. 12

Main Summaries & Conclusions. 12

Getting Married. 13

Original 2007 Teaching. 13

Group Therapy is helpful before beginning this Study on women: 13

The problem.. 13

The first order of business for feeling reality is to start believing truth. 14

Always Respond and mobilize Quickly to the Voice of Your Husband. 15

Should Men Repeatedly Beg Women For Marriage?. 15

Biblical Beards. 17

How Long Should Beards Be?. 18

Targum of Joh. 19

Onkelos. 19

Times to Shave. 20

Women in Assembly. 20

Explanation. 21

1. Women in the “Christian Assembly”. 21

Women Commanded not to Speak in Assembly. 21

Women Can be Prophetesses. 21

Women can be Servants of the Church (Deaconesses) 21

Women are Specifically Encouraged to Teach other Women and Children. 22

Women are Spiritually Equal with Men. 22

Other Encouraging References to Women. 22

Places Where Women Speak. 22

2. Women in the Secular Assembly. 22

Who We are. 23

What is Required. 23

What the Bible says about Women and Modesty. 23

Ekklēsia, and the “Shame” of Being Corporately “Perceived”. 23

Modesty is Much More than Clothing. 24

Our Men and Women Love the Special Aspects of Modesty Given Particularly to Females. 24

Modern christianity is not the same as Obeying the Bible. 24

3. Conclusion: The Truth of Jesus is Better than Compromise or Counterfeits. 25

Truth is not Popular or Socially Acceptable. 25

But Don’t Distort Truth and Become “The Devil’s Martyr”. 25

Be A Man

6/24/21

See: The Lord Will Roar in SPI

Becoming a Fearless Woman

2/23/21…2/27/21-2/28/21; 3/5/21; 3/6/21-3/7/21; 3/13/21…3/20/21-3/21/21…6/6/21; 6/13/21

While I have my own fears to conquer…

· Can we at least tackle a special fear that women are more vulnerable to?

· Can we at least lead temptations into non-fear/anxiety with Logos?

· We’re not talking about initial reactions to providence and situations, but rather we’re especially talking about what you LEAD situations into on a long-term posture and basis.

Portraits of Fearful Women

I have many stories of fearful women (especially international ones)

Ÿ on airplanes

Ÿ in church

Ÿ women with loud mouths and defeated husbands

While many of these extreme stories occurred when I was traveling, what continually strikes me is how these same dynamics can continue to play out in in very normal day-to-day life -- as it did with that Spanish momma who went from being hospitable and welcoming into being enthusiastically darkened and bitter through fear…

So Why Are Women Often More Fearful?

1Pe_3:7 - weaker container

2Ti_3:6 - little women

1Ti_2:15 – she will be saved

Ay Notes

2/28/21; 3/5/21 (Overseer)

Women came from rib and pertain to deep thought and emotion. 

Since women's nature is riblike, they needs to reach to become logical.

Men need to reach to be heartfelt and emotional. 

Not and insult but point of reference. It's where you end that's important.

Wisdom personified by female because it's more than just about intellect.

Women tend to be more fearful and face irrational fears than men.

Ex. Women deal more with white coat syndrome (increased blood pressure when around doctors) more than men.

There's a fine line between being cute and "a little woman" / (diminutive phrase possibly meaning immature in virtue).

Getting somewhere is about what do & what you obtain from growing into your gender specific need.

Ex women need to grow into logos and men need to grow into being more caring, heartfelt, emotional, etc.

Evil women [cope/]deal with fear through witchcraft & harlotry. 

The way to win is through virtue.

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The Point: I’m pretty sure there are good biblical reasons why typical women are afraid and why we don’t have to be that way.

Headship

(A) 1 Corinthians 11 (& 1Ti_2) – Headship among the gathering (Assembly)

(Mankind is the head of womankind in the called-out assembly)

(B) Ephesians 5 (& 1Pe_3) – Headship in Marriage

(other general authority-related passages are listed below)

Note: headship deals with humans in general and marriage specifically - both realities are essentially always at play among humans (as seen when comparing 1Co_11 and Eph_5).

What happens if you behead biblical authority?

If someone tampers with and disarranges their God-ordained headship what could the repercussions/consequences be?

If a woman excludes herself from virtue, then beware how much of a harlot, witch, and shallow ‘little woman’ she may become, and notice how painfully she will ultimately doom herself to be completely defeated by fear.

Independence Fears

· There is always a trade-off between your own fear and God-ordained fear (as seen in Ephesians 5)

· Be under authority to have authority: Mat_8:9; Luk_7:8 (watch for this pattern again in Ephesians 4-6)

· If you are fearful in this life that suggests that you are not fearful of the One who shines out in the next life

· Which fear are you willing to bear?

People, Providence, Submission & Authority

6/6/21

(A) Flesh vs. Justice – Regarding Authority

· Jud_1:8 – The Filthy Flesh (always) Despises Lordship

· Satan worshipers demand equality.

· Righteous people love Lordship.

(B) Gender & Providence – Regarding Submission

· Husband & Wife || God & Assembly -- Remember the Parallels

· What attitude do women often have toward/against their husbands?

· What attitude are people really exhibiting toward the real God in heaven?

· Wives toward their husbands is radically paralleled with people toward their providence…

Consider what you are getting in exchange if you are unfaithful…

1Pe_2-3 – No Fear, In All Fear

1Jo_4:18 – no fear in love

1Pe_1:17 – Rejoice through trials…“sojourning here in fear” (CAB)
[ἐν φόβῳ τὸν τῆς παροικίας ὑμῶν χρόνον ἀναστράφητε]

1Pe_2:18 – Servants to masters in all fear

1Pe_3:1-2 – Wives Likewise…fear

1Pe_3:6 – “Lord” Abe, no fear -- ‘fearless daughters of Sarah’!

1Pe_3:14 – don’t fear their threats

The Point: You got to fear the right way to be free of fearing the bad way.

Remember: Consider what you are getting in exchange if you are unfaithful / Unthankful

Unthankfulness, Unsubmission, & Fear

2/24/21…2/28/21

· Now let’s consider some basic reminders (& talk about some unique “newer” things) we can do and change to get rid of bad fear.

· Unsubmission & Fear are Characterized/Recognized/Preceded by Unthankfulness

· Remember: keep in mind that we’re not talking about initial reactions to providence and situations, but rather we’re especially talking about what you LEAD situations into on a long-term posture and basis.

· We are also not always just addressing overt & simple fear, but sometimes we need to also address subtle fear in the form of (less noticeable) anxiety.

· We might not outright embrace unsubmission, but some of us have often reaped the harsh consequences of fear and evil, and have been punished sometimes severely through our own unthankfulness.

· The virtues of thankfulness have been neglected way too long among some of us in various degrees.

· What then, does unthankfulness have to do with unsubmission?

Real vs. Shallow “Thankfulness”

· Thankfulness is not notional/idealistic/philosophical “positivity”

· Thankfulness is only seriously thankful when it is acknowledging the real value of someone:

· Rom_15:7 – Receive one another [in general]

· 1Th_5:12 – Recognize those who labor among you [specifically]

· Recognizing/Receiving = (real) Thankfulness = Loving Lordship / Being Spiritual = Submission = being “under authority to have authority”

If you submit under authority with real acknowledgement and thankfulness for Lordship, then what kind of reverent fear are you gaining and what kind of anxiety are you defeating?

Long Live the King

Rejoicing in the dominance of Lordship over your life

9/2/16; 2/28/21; 3/5/21; 3/7/21; 6/6/21; 6/13/21

Intro

· Presidents always try to talk positive about everything as long as they are in control.

· Likewise, their enemies are notorious for exaggerating the crisis until the president is replaced by his opponent.

· If you are habitually unhappy (unthankful), what does it say about your attitude toward the Lordship & providence responsible over your life?

(A) Live The King

1Sa_10:24 – Long live the king [Saul]

1Ki_1:25 – Long live King Adonijah [Rebellion]

1Ki_1:39 – Long live King Solomon

2Ki_11:12 – Long live King [Joash] -- They Clapped their hands

(B) The King Live Forever

Dan_3:9; Dan_6:21 – May the king live forever

Notice the striking terminology from the (Jewish/Monotheistic) Daniel to a pagan King! -- talk about reverently taking things well even under your pagan authority!

(C) Hosanna

Psa_118:25, etc.; Mat_21:9

(D) Paul Horning Authority

Act_24:10 – Out of many years you have been being a judge of that of this nation, establishing/standing upon this I am good/well heated to answer a legal word of defense for myself

For many years we have enjoyed peace under your rule

I'm glad to speak to you because of your good rulership (under your rule we have experienced peace)

(E) Thankful Honor or Fearful Unsubmission

In these passages, there are basic expressions of love, admiration/adoration, and appreciation for someone else being “great”/big over you.

In light of these examples (like Daniel), how shall we escape or have any excuse for not submitting under good providence and authority?

One way to be out from under submission and reap anxiety, fear, and unrighteousness, is to be unthankful with the authority, leadership, and Providence over your soul.

(F) Despising & Rebellion

Luk_19:14 – We will not have this man rule over us

Act_7:27; Act_7:35 CAB – Pushing Moses away

1Sa_10:27 CAB But evil men said, Who is this man [Saul] that shall save us? And they despised him, and brought him no gifts.

[Remember: 1Sa_10:24 – Long live the king [Saul]]

Mar_6:3-4 – Despising and offended

[See: Josiahs’ Testimony (where these passages are discussed toward the end)]

2Sa_6:16-23 – [Michal] despised [David] in her heart

(G) Thankfulness or Rebellion -- Which Do You Choose?

Remember: Consider what you are getting in exchange if you are unfaithful / Unthankful

…because being zealous for all such lust-based and vain values is never warranted or excusable…

Bitter to Thankful Fear

Positivity First Whenever possible

Lord’s Prayer

1Pe_1:17 – Rejoice through trials…“sojourning here in fear” (CAB)
[ἐν φόβῳ τὸν τῆς παροικίας ὑμῶν χρόνον ἀναστράφητε]

Get rid of resentment and bitterness as much as possible whenever it is not assigned to you from heaven, lest you be in unthankful rebellion and reap the fear of being rebuked!

Eph_4:7 – unto each one FAVOR of given

Eph_4:22 – arrange away from the...old man

Eph_4:22 – sour words

...

Eph_4:31-32 – Get rid of all bitterness

· Ephesians 4:31 - lift away all bitterness

· Ephesians 4:32 - be kind useful favorably granting* to each other (* see: Eph_5:4)

Note: this is the same virtue as being thankful when being kind and favorable in general and forgiving sins...

So, if you are thankful do you think you will also forgive people's sins?

Eph_5:4 – but rather, thanksgiving

Eph_5:_ – favorably thankful…favorably singing

1Th_5:18 – the will of God: thankfulness

Eph_5:21 – Fear ·Anointed One ^NAB (or) God ^TS

Eph_5:33, etc. – Fear Husband as Lord = part of “Headship” (in marriage)

(Eph_5: – Anointed One)

Eph_6: Submit to Parents, masters… then: Armor-of-God

Take Things Well

Jos_22:24 – the alternate alter

Pro_28:14 – always (struck^LXX with^LXX) good-taking

Heb_5:7 – Jesus was heard

Heb_12:28 – we must worship God

(Rom_8:28)

We need to reverence the sacred privileges of our exaltations lest we reap perversions and disapproval from our profaning blasphemies...

Let’s consider how thankfulness and reverence reinforces submission and defeats bad fear:

Women Who Win!

>> Scrip:

Sarah

1sa25 -

jdg4:4 - Debra & Jael

Judith

Mary

Staying Feminine in a World of Rush

Other date(s); 10/12/19; 10/27/19

Pro_31:

Vs.

Sirach 26 – heavy yoke wife

1Ti_2: Woman should not do herself to/over a man

Woman at the Well

10/12/19

John 4

Consider how fast you can wash your hands with running water

That experience is nice, but it is NOT canonical

You cannot simply take your privileges for granted presume you have a prerogative to running water

Notice that Jesus did not help the woman to stop having to spend all that time going to the well…

Don’t Poison Sweet Water

Sir_25:17 – Wickedness of a woman darkens her countenance

There are always principles to guard activity

Don’t let perishables intrude on glories

Luk_10:38-42 – Martha presumably learned how to choose the good

Warning: If you live a profane life, none of the supernatural blessed promises apply to you!

Pro_23:7 WEB for as he thinks about the cost, so he is. "Eat and drink!" he says to you, but his heart is not with you.

Pro_23:7 so he eats and drinks as if anyone should swallow a hair, and do not bring him in to yourself, nor eat your morsel with him;

Pro_23:7 ὃν τρόπον γὰρ εἴ τις καταπίοι τρίχα, οὕτως ἐσθίει καὶ πίνει.

Pro_23:8 WEB The morsel which you have eaten you shall vomit up, and lose your good words.

Pro_23:8 for he will vomit it up, and spoil your fair words.

Pro_23:8 μηδὲ πρὸς σὲ εἰσαγάγῃς αὐτὸν καὶ φάγῃς τὸν ψωμόν σου μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ· ἐξεμέσει γὰρ αὐτὸν καὶ λυμανεῖται τοὺς λόγους σου τοὺς καλούς.

>> Sync: WkEth | GePa (Pro_23:7-8)

Sir_14:10 The miser’s eye is rapacious for bread,

but on his own table he sets it stale.

Sir_14:10 A wicked eye envieth his bread, and he is a [stingy person] niggard [Scandinavian origin?] at his table.

Sir_14:10 ὀφθαλμὸς πονηρὸς φθονερὸς ἐπ᾿ ἄρτῳ καὶ ἐλλιπὴς ἐπὶ τῆς τραπέζης αὐτοῦ.

>> Sync: WkEth | GePa (Sir_14:10)

Dominos of Catastrophe

Appointed Fasting

No love

traumatized instead of faithful sacrificing

Feeling not taken care of

rush to take care of self

Lusting for this life

Rushing to get more than what’s appointed to never have to fast again

Loose blessed abundance

Rush even more to keep up

Accuse heaven of not providing

Tempted to give up because of the stress of not being blessed

Heaven/Husband: “I am not responsible for what happens to those who do not follow in my ways”

At some point we got to stop being dense and finally get the point of (perceptive, caring) imitation

Go at the same speed of virtue

Don’t rush w your feet

>> TSK!!!

Al’s Concerns

10/27/19; 11/10/19

Man’s shorthand notes

after prayer eating

deal w things in a prompt way

men are dossal in wife's fam

women got to take care of things

handy woman build house

think for man

manly position

tempting to be not as submissive

It is Very Non-Femenin to Not Love

3/28/15; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

1Ti_5:1-15

Preleminary Appeals...

Two ways to relate to God

- Physical as His creature -- most basic and often overlook in the hype of churchianity

- Spiritual -- by relating to the Clean Jesus through the Monotheistic Spirit

Being who you were made to be sets you free spiritually

- You are beseaching the love, mercy, and favor of the one who made you

- You cannot be a recreated spiritual being with Jesus if you are violating your first created nature as a physical being against the Father who made you

- good to not shoot yourself in the foot

women

Not Talking about Romance Primarily

- but it could include that

- not being romantic is very non-femenine

- Women should be ready to love romantically and motherly

Love that is Feminine

- but in this case: mostly talking about womanly/sisterly/motherly love

- Loving as Sisters*, nurtering toward strangers

- * even your spiritual identity is realised through your gender inasmuch as it connects to and relates to the redeeemed new society of the Holy Assembly on earth

- Never to be ashamed of tender, weak, compassionate, clean love / goodmindedness

Gen_24: -- Rachel's righteous love

Rom_16:13 Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

Rom 16:13 ἀσπάσασθε ῾Ροῦφον τὸν ἐκλεκτὸν ἐν Κυρίῳ καὶ τὴν μητέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐμοῦ.

- Paul goes through Rufus to mention his "mother" -- not the natural rout if she were his natural mother, but quite appropriate socially, and spiritually strategic, if he speaks of a woman that pertains to another man's house.

- Spiritual Motherhood: Mat_12:49; Mat_12:47-50

- Rufus was a comon pagan name -- but with no qualification made, it clearly refers to someone famious

- Probably that same (famious?) Rufus in Mar_15:21: "Simon, a Cyrenian, the father of Alexander and Rufus")

- Mark wrote Peter's Gospel which was siad to be in Rome, and that is the same assembly which "Romans" addresses

- Paul was also famious when Mark wrote his Gospel

- Mark does not mention "Paul" as a son of Simon the Cyrenian in Mar_15:21

- Rufus' physical mother appears to be Paul's spiritual mother

- Paul had just referenced a common spiritual relationship with Phoebe: Rom_16:1-2 (Meyer: 1Co_16:18; Phm_1:11; and see on 1Co_1:2)

Bible Paul as a Mother

1Th_2:7

Gal_4:19

Men Should Not be Like Women

7/15/12; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

In Dress

Law: wear nothing that pertainst to a woman...

In Courage

Nah_3:13 CAB Behold, your people within you are as women: the gates of your land shall surely be opened to your enemies: the fire shall devour your bars.

it is expected that women would fear physical punishment, and be kept in a posture of submissive obedience.

Moses and paul say to their disciples to "Man up"

KJV: quit ye like men

Job: prepare your self like a man

In Character and Sexuality

soft men go to hell

[see: Long Live the King (it was originally placed here for some reason)]

Righteous Geographical Boundaries

Original BBS: Women

Shall an unmarried daughter ever think it good to live abroad when she is invited to live at home?

Home Bound

Sarah is in the tent

Women busy at home

no going house to house

- any social life?

Maintenance is a Male Authority’s Obligation

Exo_21:7-11 CAB And [not in MT] if anyone sell [ἀποδῶται] *his daughter [* τὴν ἑαυτοῦ θυγατέρα] *as a domestic [* LXX: οἰκέτιν – Lit. household-ish (fig. servant) woman (Lev_19:20; Pro_30:23); MT: לאמה (H519) – lit. bondwoman; fig. female servant/ handmaid] [i.e. out of poverty: Lev_25:39], she shall not *depart [ἀπελεύσεται (middle voice) – i.e. be dismissed from servitude at the year of Jubilee (same Heb. & Gr. words as Exo_21:2-5, etc.)] as *the maidservants [* LXX: αἱ δοῦλαι – a contrast of two classes of “servants” (οἰκέτιν vs. αἱ δοῦλαι) is being made here; MT: העבדים׃ (H5650) – “male servants” (WEB) – a contrast of gender?] depart [ἀποτρέχουσιν (i.e. at Jubilee)]. 8 If she be not [ἐὰν μὴ] pleasing [εὐαρεστήσῃ] *to her master [* τῷ κυρίῳ αὐτῆς – to the lord of hers/ to that of her lord], after she *has [* MT: לא – has not; interestingly, MT (and most professionals) mark this Heb. negative as actually a positive (as LXX has it)] betrothed [καθωμολογήσατο from καθομολογέω (ALS p. 296)] herself to him [Get NETS: Gr.: or after he has betrothed her to himself?], *he shall let her go free [>> compare w previous?? * ἀπολυτρώσει αὐτήν (apó (G575), from + loúō (G3068), to wash, bathe) – he washes (fig. loses) her away; MT: “let her be redeemed” (WEB) – by another Israelite]; but [δὲ – fig. and (i.e. there is no contrast here, which is common for δὲ)] *he is not at liberty [* οὐ κύριός ἐστιν – he is not lord] to sell [πωλεῖν] her to a foreign [ἀλλοτρίῳ] nation [ἔθνει], because [ὅτι] he has trifled [ἠθέτησεν – lit. disarranged (fig. removed virginity, or is she simply betrothed??)] with [ἐν – in] her. 9 And if he should have betrothed [καθομολογήσηται] her to his son, he shall do [ποιήσει] to her according to the right [δικαίωμα – righteous thing; fig. righteous deed (pertaining to that)] of daughters. 10 And if he take another [ἄλλην] [WEB adds “wife”] to himself, he shall not *diminish [οὐκ ἀποστερήσει – he shall not turn away; fig. defraud (same as 1Co_7)] *her food [τὰ δέοντα – lit. the bindings; fig. needs/ necessities; i.e. things she is bound/ indebted to need], [καὶ – and (omitted in CAB but not NETS)] *her clothing [τὸν ἱματισμὸν], and *her companionship [τὴν ὁμιλίαν] with him. 11 And [not in MT] if he *will not do [* μὴ ποιήσῃ – does not do (as NETS affirms)] these three things to her, *she shall go out free [* ἐξελεύσεται δωρεὰν] *without [MT: “paying any”?] money [* ἄνευ ἀργυρίου].

> [are these three describing: (A) the minimum requirements, or (B) the maximum sinful omissions, before letting her go free? (note: “will” is added in English and gives the “false clarity” that it is A)]

> V. 8 Originally, I had (apparently mistakenly) said: like usual, English versions have lied and added words to make this description look like a prescriptive command! – Grammar: V-FAI-3S Verb – Future Tense (a foreseen possibility), Active Voice (he does it to her), Indicative Mood (reporting the facts, not giving a command), Third Person Singular

> Perverted Pharisees today lie to us in English versions and reverse God’s description and misrepresent it as a prescription!

Jesus: Behold you mother

Important Summary

v. in extreme poverty a man might sell his daughter, but women sold into cohabitation (οἰκέτιν) cannot just “depart” like other slaves can. For example: other women servants might stay out in a shed in the field, and they can depart when it comes time for them to become free.

Critical Notes

She was a “slave wife” (concubine) – this is almost certainly never a first wife, since Jews understood the nobility and honor of “building up one’s house” by an honored queen, whereas a “slave wife” is basically an additional wife after the queen has already been seated.

God’s command was for her not to depart

God still foresees that he might divorce her

Can He Make her Work?

What if he might like a daughter to stay at home and work, but is ok with her moving elsewhere?

This may affect his preference/ choice…

One Main Question: does he want you to go out and have a career/ be successful?

Binding and Loosing – What Does The Father Want or Prefer?

He Can Choose What He Prefers

Num_30:3-5, etc.

Outside of Father’s Home? – Ruth Living with Naomi

Note: this is a widow. Does it apply to her who has never been married?

Divorced/ neglected daughter… = widow

Rth_1:8-11 CAB And Naomi said to her daughters-in-law, Go now, return each to the house of her mother: the Lord deal mercifully with you, as you have dealt with the dead, and with me. 9 The Lord grant you that you may find rest, each of you in the house of her husband. And she kissed them, and they lifted up their voice, and wept. 10 And they said to her, We will return with you to your people. 11 And Naomi said, Return now, my daughters; and why do you go with me? Have I yet sons in my womb to be your husbands?

Rth_1:15-22 CAB And Naomi said to Ruth, Behold, your sister-in-law has returned to her people and to her gods; turn now also after your sister-in-law. 16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave you, or to return from following you; for wherever you go, I will go, and wherever you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God. 17 And wherever you die, I will die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if I leave you, for death only shall divide between me and you. 18 And Naomi, seeing that she was determined to go with her, ceased to speak to her anymore. 19 Now they both went until they came to Bethlehem. And it came to pass, when they arrived at Bethlehem, that all the city was excited because of them, and they said, Is this Naomi? 20 And she said to them, No, do not call me Naomi; call me 'Bitter,' for the Mighty One has dealt very bitterly with me. 21 I went out full, and the Lord has brought me back empty. And why do you call me Naomi, seeing the Lord has humbled me and the Mighty One has afflicted me? 22 So Naomi and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter-in-law, returned from the country of Moab; and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest.

Rth_3:1 CAB *And she lodged with her mother-in-law [MT has this in Rth_2:23]. And Naomi her mother-in-law said to her, My daughter, shall I not seek rest for you, that it may be well with you?

Note 1: “rest” = “a big veil,” not relaxation (Pro_31)

Note 2: Widows and virgins often go together

Japheth’s Daughter had Friends... They Went Camping

Jdg_11:37-39 CAB And she said to her father, Let my father now do this thing: let me alone for two months, and I will go up and down on the mountains, and I will lament my virginity, I and my companions. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months. And she went, and her companions, and she lamented her virginity on the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of the two months that she returned to her father; and he performed upon her his vow which he vowed; and she knew no man.

Mary

Luk_1:36-41 CAB And behold, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for she who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing shall be impossible." 38 Then Mary said, "Behold the maidservant of the Lord! May it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her. 39 Now Mary rose up in those days and traveled into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, 40 and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth. 41 And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

The Women Who Followed Jesus

Luk_8:1-3 CAB Now it came to pass afterward, that He was traveling through every city and village, preaching and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom of God, and the twelve were with Him, 2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities; Mary called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuza, a supervisor of Herod, and Susanna, and many others who were ministering to them from their belongings.

Certainly this included some of the “harlots” as well as he the “tax collectors”–

Mat_21:31-32 CAB …Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him; but tax collectors and harlots believed him; but you, having seen, did not repent afterwards, that you might believe him.

Considerations

· Such “harlots” were certainly Unmarried

· Such “harlots” were certainly Un-provided for by their fathers

· Didn’t the words, “…you, having seen…” include some men and some women who were eager to keep hanging out with Jesus?

Main Summaries & Conclusions

- If he has no preference, then you are free to move to the mountains

- If you want to stack things in a certain order, then that is ok too

- If he prefers you at home, he still owns you even if he lets you leave

- If he effectively forsakes the rest/ protection of maintenance, he forfeits his authority

Getting Married

9/13/11

“getting married” “it is so hard walking this alone as a single woman”

The more I somehow (unwittingly) end up counseling females, the more unavoidably overt it becomes that women were never designed to be out from under authority (dad/ husband), especially before they turn 60. Just last Sunday, (as well as a few days before that) I was counseling females and hearing their distress from lack of order and structure. Our society is not designed to enable women to both be godly and resolved with their life. Before the slavery of women’s lib., it seems like people used to have a bit more of a concept of this.

    And doesn’t the Bible mention this? Sure it does! It is not for no reason that Paul desires for ‘younger widows to marry’ in first Timothy five (that’s a real good chapter about all of this). And even when Ruth had “a job,” Naomi still sought rest for the soles of her feet in the house of a husband (Boaz).

I do not know to what degree all of these things may or may not apply to your particular situation, but I can’t help but be burdened by all the cries of godly women trying to live in the insanity of this society!

I keep praying that God would send me out to preach somewhere and I would find some godly men to marry these women off too.

Psa_12:1 CAB  ...Save me, O Lord; for the godly man has failed; for truth is diminished from among the children of men.

Mic_7:2 CAB  For the godly has perished from the earth; and there is none upright among men...

(also Ecc_7:28, Jer_5:1, Luk_18:8)

In the mean time, we’re currently putting things in place and seeking out appropriate and beneficial structure for these females to be helped under the authority (and “structure”) of Jesus’ assembly (Church). These things are always really exciting to me.

Original 2007 Teaching

This teaching is specifically designed to encourage women in how they might take hold of the things of God, but the men that also participate will also gain wisdom and a proper understanding of how they ought to be viewing and treating women with respect and help as they aspire to be women of God.

I’m here writing these things so that women will feel the affirmation and hope that the Bible has been specifically offering them all along, that has been stolen from their hearts by feminist paranoia and propaganda, and by spiritually week pastors who are too intimidated by the controversial implications to even address the issue.

Group Therapy is helpful before beginning this Study on women:

(Repeat the following out loud)

· The Bible has my best interests in mind, even as a woman

· To get the real and Truest hope and encouragement that God called me to, I have to begin by believing the Bible, even when it seems discouraging to me at first. [Be aware that the counterfeit supplies a temporary, shallow, “sugar rush” satisfaction that quickly burns off and leaves you ultimately dissatisfied and unhealthy].

· Avoiding the verses in the Bible that are accused of putting women down solves nothing, but in fact, achieves the very purpose that these lies set out to accomplish by obstructing us from believing and understanding the verses God designed for our good.

· I can’t let foolish anti-Bible ideas persuade me that certain “men” who were used to write the Bible allowed shovanistic beliefs to cloud their perception, and wrote in a way to suppress women.

· It is dishonest to believe that the positional distinctions given to women (such as submission) were only temporary commandments dependent upon the culture.

· To be fulfilled and satisfied in Jesus as a woman of God and to obtain the greatness that He has called me to, I cannot make any excuses at all whatsoever to avoid believing the Bible, even when it seems impossible, impractical, unrealistic, over limiting, discouraging, or in any other way, hard to accept.

· By minimizing certain Bible verses, I’ve done nothing more than to lie to myself and others.

If we can first embrace these very basic realities and certify them in our hearts and build them into our values as being indispensable, then we will lay a good foundation and be off to a bright start to taking a hold of the huge calling which the Bible calls being A Women of God.

The problem

I see so many women stunted from accessing or even pursuing greatness in God because they have no idea what God has called women to as well as men.

Some men can say with excitement, “I want to be a man of God like Samson” but in many cases I scarcely hear women aspiring for these things. And when women do aspire for something big in church, it is almost always in unbiblical positions and vain aspirations to take the positions that have been exclusively given to men.

So often we think of greatness as being on the stage, and we think of not preaching publically of not being in real ministry at all.

I see some men who are ready to be stirred for honor and greatness in God’s kingdom, but so often I see women grasping for the motivation and it consistently evading them.

The lie: Women have to be like men to be great

The first order of business for feeling reality is to start believing truth.

The most Difficult Scriptures For women

If you will hear the Bible out for what it actually says, then you will find no trace of minimizing women in God’s kingdom

The proof of a real woman of God, or prophetess:

She will seek to only teach women, but men will come to hear anyway out of desperation for the word of God.

Deborah exemplifies this,

and it even goes to the point when she tell Barrack to go and fight by himself

Case and point: Deborah was a woman of God, Joan of Arc was not

Why is wisdom called “she”? There is something to the special humility that women are called to that exemplifies the gentleness of wisdom.

Even though the Bible says that women are spiritually equal with men we still stumble over this in view of the men in the foreground operating as the pushers and movers of life, even in the Bible.

The disciples were amazed to see him talking with a woman.

Ø This specific societal restraint was not one of sexual purity or Jesus certainly would not have defied it (avoid the appearance of evil), but this taboo was one of the worth of women

What should be our response to these things?

Ø YES Lord, but even the dogs lick up the crumbs that fall from the master’s table

Ø Do you see how rebelling in our heart to these verses disqualifies us from obtaining the prize hidden behind it?

The Most Encouraging Scriptures for women

Since when in God’s kingdom has humble circumstances equaled insignificance in heaven?

Ø Fist last, last first

How is it that we’ve come to despise the humility that god has called us to?

Ø Jesus was subject to His parents (can you imagine how humiliating that could have been for Him?)

When women are exalted above men

Ø The anvil on the head

Ø Deborah

Ø Joseph was not chosen to behold the ministry of Jesus, but only His mother Marry.

Address:

No flirtation

Preparation in the ordinary yield a reward of the extra-ordinary

Busy at home

Ø NT command, Sarah in tent,

Ø

make beautiful like women of old:

- Secular women’s movements

- Hillary doesn’t want to bake cookies

- Stand in the way and ask for the old paths

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Loud and defiant

Pro 7

Always Respond and mobilize Quickly to the Voice of Your Husband

Pop: WkEt

GP Additions

Wesely Disobeys The Bible’s Statement about Man’s Failure

>> Sync: LO | GePa

“Genesis 3:6-8…

[1.] We have here the inducements that moved them to transgress. The woman being deceived, was ring - leader in the transgression, 1Ti_2:14 She saw that the tree was - It was said of all the rest of the fruit trees wherewith the garden of Eden was planted, that they were pleasant to the sight, and good for food. She imagined a greater benefit by this tree than by any of the rest, that it was a tree not only not to be dreaded, but to be desired to make one wise, and therein excelling all the rest of the trees. This she saw, that is, she perceived and understood it by what the devil had said to her. She gave also to her husband with her - 'Tis likely he was not with her when she was tempted; surely if he had, he would have interposed to prevent the sin; but he came to her when she had eaten, and was prevailed with by her to eat likewise. She gave it to him; persuading him with the same arguements that the serpent had used with her; adding this to the rest, that she herself had eaten of it, and found it so far from being deadly that it was extremely pleasant and grateful. And he did eat”

Compare this with the responsibility ascribed in Rom_5:12,_1Co_15:21

Also compare how 1Ti_2: describes woman’s vs. man’s sin

Women Are Property

Tags: chattle chattel

10/8/17

Deu_7:13 WEB and he will love you, and bless you, and multiply you; he will also bless the fruit of your body and the fruit of your ground, your grain and your new wine and your oil, the increase of your livestock and the young of your flock, in the land which he swore to your fathers to give you.

Deu_7:13 LB And He will love you and bless you and multiply you; and He will bless the offspring of your body, and the fruit of your land, your grain, your wine, your oil, your herds of oxen, and the flocks of your sheep, on the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to give to you.

Deu_7:13 καὶ ἀγαπήσει σε καὶ εὐλογήσει σε καὶ πληθυνεῖ σε καὶ εὐλογήσει τὰ ἔκγονα τῆς κοιλίας σου καὶ τὸν καρπὸν τῆς γῆς σου, τὸν σῖτόν σου καὶ τὸν οἶνόν σου καὶ τὸ ἔλαιόν σου, τὰ βουκόλια τῶν βοῶν σου καὶ τὰ ποίμνια τῶν προβάτων σου ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ἧς ὤμοσεν κύριος τοῖς πατράσιν σου δοῦναί σοι.

Deu 7:14 WEB You shall be blessed above all peoples: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your livestock.

Deu 7:14 You shall be blessed beyond all other nations; there shall not be among you an impotent or barren one, or among your livestock.

Deu 7:14 εὐλογητὸς ἔσῃ παρὰ πάντα τὰ ἔθνη· οὐκ ἔσται ἐν ὑμῖν ἄγονος οὐδὲ στεῖρα καὶ ἐν τοῖς κτήνεσίν σου.

Should Men Repeatedly Beg Women For Marriage?

7/22/14; 8/8/14; 9/6/14; 2/21/17 (recompiled)

Prince of England

V: Prince followup: vs. "if she is not pleasing to her master"

- Ero celebrates the liberation of makeing the woman the decition-maker of her potential marriage, rather than the men

- think about what that does to the parable of Jesus begging people to marry Him!

- Jesus says, "come to me" not "will you please reconsider being attracted to me?"

- Ero breeds a culture of cheap and imasculated men who do not hold value and integrity before them and insist on worthiness

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the foolishness of "fire proof" -- its always the man needs to change (no matter how much we justify the witch)

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7/27/14;

> Judith saying NO in order to remain a widdow...

> Judah's inappropriate neglect of Tamar

> Contrasted w Rachel saying YES to Issacc

> David saying NO in order to avoid inappropriate-ness / getting in by an inappropriate / less honorable way -- I.e. Making himself of honorable / "noble" marriage (in this life) by money rather than virtue and courage. - but when God has to be involved, he happily agrees.

- Solomon should have said NO to royal marriages like his father had done

I have been deeply zealous, offended, angery at the non-exclusivity I have been approached with throughout my life.

This "non-exclusivity" treachery can be lacking in "physically romantics" and or "Spiritually romantics".

Loving (and beliving) God and or a person means loving the actual substance and true reality of who they actually are, and shunning regaurding your own ideas.

Basic Cultural problem: Beliving in God rather than beliving Him

Heart Details are always scewed and strange.

What is the moral significance with playing hard to get?

Is teasing righteous?

- why does a woman at first tell a man "NO" when he asks to marry her? Perhapse for fear that he does not completely and truely love her real essence.

Does he Concientiously and truly love the reality of who she is, or just his own infatuation for his own ideas about her.

> A realistic and total love based on an open-eyed and full perception of who someone is.

Maybe he is acting unadvisable for his own ideas abut her rather than a long-term and realistic apprehension for her substance that will last

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Euripian culture perverts things

Now Aladan has to beg for a harlot

devaluing males

vs.

Abagail feeling honored to marry David

Song of Songs

Psa_45: - forget your people

Ultimately:

Be so busy with greatness that you have no time to invest your emo on Euripian culture, but they really should read up on your greatness.

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Men/Husbands are a New Father to Their Wives

6/2/16-6/3/16; 6/19/16 (recompiled)

tags: Husband as a Father

...

Ezk raising her as a daughter

Boaz calls Ruth a daughter

if i am a father, where is my honor?

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Adam, the first husband, produced his wife as if she were his daughter, produced from his very own substence and taught by him from the beginning of her existence.

es: Search: father -- esp. among the prophets

Jer_3:4, etc. won't you cry to me, my father

you will call me father

Nathan's Story: there was a poor man who bought a sheep, and it slept with hi and ate from his plate, and it was like a daughter to him

2Sa 12:3 but the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and raised. It grew up together with him, and with his children. It ate of his own food, drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was to him like a daughter.

2Sa 12:3 But the poor man had only one little ewe lamb, which he had purchased, and preserved, and reared; and it grew up with himself and his children in common; it ate of his bread and drank of his cup, and slept in his bosom, and was to him as a daughter.

2Sa 12:3 καὶ τῷ πένητι οὐδὲν ἀλλ᾿ ἢ ἀμνὰς μία μικρά, ἣν ἐκτήσατο καὶ περιεποιήσατο καὶ ἐξέθρεψεν αὐτήν, καὶ ἡδρύνθη μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ καὶ μετὰ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτό, ἐκ τοῦ ἄρτου αὐτοῦ ἤσθιεν καὶ ἐκ τοῦ ποτηρίου αὐτοῦ ἔπινεν καὶ ἐν τῷ κόλπῳ αὐτοῦ ἐκάθευδεν καὶ ἦν αὐτῷ ὡς θυγάτηρ·

Biblical Beards

4/1/12; 7/22/12; 9/6/12; 2/22/15 (How Long); 5/26/16 (Joseph); 11/3/16; 11/5/16; 4/3/17 (recompiled); 4/11/17

>> compare w Joseph

Num 8:7 WEB You shall do this to them, to cleanse them: sprinkle the water of cleansing on them, let them shave their whole bodies with a razor, and let them wash their clothes, and cleanse themselves.

Num 8:7 And thus shall you perform their purification: you shall sprinkle them with the water of purification, and a razor shall come upon the whole of their body, and they shall wash their garments, and shall be clean.

Num 8:7 καὶ οὕτως ποιήσεις αὐτοῖς τὸν ἁγνισμὸν αὐτῶν· περιρρανεῖς αὐτοὺς ὕδωρ ἁγνισμοῦ, καὶ ἐπελεύσεται ξυρὸν ἐπὶ πᾶν τὸ σῶμα αὐτῶν, καὶ πλυνοῦσιν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτῶν καὶ καθαροὶ ἔσονται.

>> Sync: RAS | GePa > Biblical Beards

>> Jews and EC opposed bear-faced

Lev_19:27 WEB " 'You shall not cut the hair on the sides [lit. mouth(s)] of your heads, neither shall you clip off the edge [lit. mouth(s)] of your beard.

Lev_19:27 LB You shall not make a round cutting of the hair of your head, nor disfigure your beard.

Lev_19:27 οὐ ποιήσετε σισόην ἐκ τῆς κόμης τῆς κεφαλῆς ὑμῶν οὐδὲ φθερεῖτε τὴν ὄψιν τοῦ πώγωνος ὑμῶν.

Lev_14:8 WEB "He who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and bathe himself in water; and he shall be clean. After that he shall come into the camp, but shall dwell outside his tent seven days.

Lev_14:8 LB And the man that has been cleansed shall wash his garments, and shall shave off all his hair, and shall wash himself in water, and shall be clean; and after that he shall go into the camp, and shall remain out of his house for seven days.

Lev_14:8 καὶ πλυνεῖ ὁ καθαρισθεὶς τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ καὶ ξυρηθήσεται αὐτοῦ πᾶσαν τὴν τρίχα καὶ λούσεται ἐν ὕδατι καὶ καθαρὸς ἔσται· καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα εἰσελεύσεται εἰς τὴν παρεμβολὴν καὶ διατρίψει ἔξω τοῦ οἴκου αὐτοῦ ἑπτὰ ἡμέρας.

Lev 21:5 WEB " 'They shall not shave their heads, neither shall they shave off the corners of their beards, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.

Lev 21:5 LB And you shall not shave your head for the dead with a baldness on the top; and they shall not shave their beard, neither shall they make gashes on their flesh.

Lev 21:5 καὶ φαλάκρωμα οὐ ξυρηθήσεσθε τὴν κεφαλὴν ἐπὶ νεκρῷ καὶ τὴν ὄψιν τοῦ πώγωνος οὐ ξυρήσονται καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς σάρκας αὐτῶν οὐ κατατεμοῦσιν ἐντομίδας.

Jer_9:26 WEB Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that have the corners of their hair cut off [KJV Note: Hebrew: cut off into corners, or hauing the corners of their haire polled.], who dwell in the wilderness; for all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in heart.

Jer 9:26 CAB on Egypt, Edom, Edom, on the children of Ammon, on the children of Moab, and everyone that shaves his face round about, even them that dwell in the wilderness; for all the Gentiles are uncircumcised in flesh, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in their hearts.

Jer 9:26 (9:25) ἐπ᾿ Αἴγυπτον καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν Ιουδαίαν καὶ ἐπὶ Εδωμ καὶ ἐπὶ υἱοὺς Αμμων καὶ ἐπὶ υἱοὺς Μωαβ καὶ ἐπὶ πάντα περικειρόμενον τὰ κατὰ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ· ὅτι πάντα τὰ ἔθνη ἀπερίτμητα σαρκί, καὶ πᾶς οἶκος Ισραηλ ἀπερίτμητοι καρδίας αὐτῶν.

Jer_48:36 WEB Therefore my heart sounds for Moab like pipes, and my heart sounds like pipes for the men of Kir Heres: therefore the abundance that he has gotten is perished.

Jer_48:36 CAB Therefore the heart of Moab shall sound as pipes, My heart shall sound as a pipe for the shorn men; forasmuch as what every man has gained has perished from him.

Jer_48:36 (31:36) διὰ τοῦτο καρδία μου, Μωαβ, ὥσπερ αὐλοὶ βομβήσουσιν, καρδία μου ἐπ᾿ ἀνθρώπους Κιραδας ὥσπερ αὐλὸς βομβήσει· διὰ τοῦτο ἃ περιεποιήσατο, ἀπώλετο ἀπὸ ἀνθρώπου.

Jer_48:37 For every head is bald, and every beard clipped: on all the hands are cuttings, and on the waist sackcloth.

Jer_48:37 They shall all have their heads shaved in every place, and every beard shall be shaved; and all hands shall beat their breasts, and on all loins shall be sackcloth.

Jer_48:37 (31:37) πᾶσαν κεφαλὴν ἐν παντὶ τόπῳ ξυρήσονται, καὶ πᾶς πώγων ξυρηθήσεται, καὶ πᾶσαι χεῖρες κόψονται, καὶ ἐπὶ πάσης ὀσφύος σάκκος.

Jer_48:38 On all the housetops of Moab and in its streets there is lamentation every where; for I have broken Moab like a vessel in which none delights, says Yahweh.

Jer_48:38 And on all the housetops of Moab, and in his streets shall be mourining; for I have broken him, says the Lord, as a vessel, which is useless.

Jer_48:38 (31:38) καὶ ἐπὶ πάντων τῶν δωμάτων Μωαβ καὶ ἐπὶ πλατείαις αὐτῆς, ὅτι συνέτριψα τὸν Μωαβ, φησὶν κύριος, ὡς ἀγγεῖον, οὗ οὐκ ἔστιν χρεία αὐτοῦ.

>> Sync: mfp > Beards | OUC

Jer 49:32 WEB Their camels shall be a booty, and the multitude of their livestock a spoil: and I will scatter to all winds those who have the corners of their hair cut off; and I will bring their calamity from every side of them, says Yahweh.

Jer 49:32 CAB And their camels shall be a spoil, and the multitude of their cattle shall be destroyed; and I will scatter them as chaff with every wind, having their hair cut about their foreheads; I will bring on their overthrow from all sides, says the Lord.

Jer 49:32 (30:27) καὶ ἔσονται κάμηλοι αὐτῶν εἰς προνομὴν καὶ πλῆθος κτηνῶν αὐτῶν εἰς ἀπώλειαν· καὶ λικμήσω αὐτοὺς παντὶ πνεύματι κεκαρμένους πρὸ προσώπου αὐτῶν, ἐκ παντὸς πέραν αὐτῶν οἴσω τὴν τροπὴν αὐτῶν, εἶπεν κύριος.

TSK: in the utmost corners: Heb. cut off into corners; or, having the corners of their hair polled, Dr. Durell and others justly consider the marginal reading as far preferable; as being descriptive of the mode in which the Arabians cut their hair and beard. - See note on Lev_21:5. Jer_25:23, Jer_49:32

Pulpit: All that are in the utmost corners; rather, all that are corner-clipped; i.e. that have the hair cut off about the ears and temples. Herodotus tells us, speaking of the Arabs, "Their practice is to cut the hair in a ring, away from the temples"; (Jer_3:8) and among the representatives of various nations, colored figures of whom are given in the tomb of Rameses III, we find some with a square place shaved just above the temples. The hair below this shaven place was allowed to grow long, and then plaited into a leek. It is to such customs that Jeremiah alludes here and in Jer_25:23 Jer_49:32. A prohibition is directed against them in the Levitical Law. (Lev_19:27 Lev_21:5)

Clark: All that are in the utmost corners - כל קצוצי פאה col ketsutsey pheah. These words have been variously understood. The Vulgate translates: Omnes qui attonsi sunt in comam; “All who have their hair cut short.” The Targum, Septuagint, Syriac, and Arabic have understood it nearly in the same way;

Gill: The Septuagint version is, "upon everyone that shaves what is about his face, that dwells in the wilderness"; and so the Syriac and Arabic versions; to which agrees the Targum,

"upon all that round the corners of the head, that dwell in habitations in the wilderness,''

The Arabians used to shave the extreme hairs of the head round about, as the forehead, temples, and behind the ears, which are the corners of the head; so Herodotus (i) reports of them, who seem to be meant here; though some think the Jews are intended, to whom this was forbidden, Lev_19:27,

How Long Should Beards Be?

On one hand, when young men went out to war or if they needed to do some types of intensive work, it might be understandable for them to trim their beards lest they become a snare to them.

But on the other hand, even though Jesus knew of the types of torcher and shame they were about to do to Him, He still had his beard grow long enough for them to pull out the hairs of His beard!

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>> Script where David's men were ashamed of being shaven

Deu 22:5 CAB The clothing of a man shall not be on a woman, neither shall a man put on a woman's dress; for everyone that does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Deu 22:5 Greek Οὐκ ἔσται σκεύη ἀνδρὸς ἐπὶ γυναικί, οὐδὲ μὴ ἐνδύσηται ἀνὴρ στολὴν γυναικείαν, ὅτι βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σού ἐστιν πᾶς ποιῶν ταῦτα.

Deu 22:12 CAB You shall make fringes on the four borders of your garments, with whatever you may be clothed with.

Note: Wesely and Gill (and probably many others) both heretically allow disobendience to this absolute command when life is in danger, as though satan has a right to overull God when convenience demands

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Targum of Joh

"Neither fringed robes nor tephillin which are the ornaments of a man shall be upon a woman; neither shall a man shave himself so as to appear like a woman; for every one who doeth so is an abomination before the Lord thy God."

(Targum of Joh on Deu_22:)

Onkelos

"The adorning of a man shall not be upon a woman, nor shall the apparel of a man be like the apparel of a woman; for everyone who doeth these things is abominable before the Lord thy God."

>> Talmud on 'bear-faced' saducees!

7/21/12 –

conversation w my bro, when had shaved for the first time ina while

3-yeard used to intertwine her hand in his beard

dady is prety

being clean-cut is a whole different persona

they though that he was doing this to be sucessful now because he loves his fam more and wants to provide for them

Jer_25:23 CAB and Dedan, Tema, Buz, and everyone that is shaved round about the face,

Jer_25:23 KJV Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners,

Jer_9:26

Lev_21:5. Jer_25:23, Jer_49:32

ANF pg. 66; 324

soft men do not go to heaven

1Co_11: – men shave head

- every beard clipped

- Paul and Nazarites with cut beards

- they were ashamed to be seen with them fully shaven

- they were not to trim the corners

- but they did trim them in general

- No logic in mowing down adams garden here!

- falsehoods I've received from others: false prophecy; if you shave you will be amazed at how differently girls will treat you; compared me to apostates while he himself was about to apostate completly

- Rev_1:14

- also: Paul shaved himself in the temple

see insp: 3/31/11

Talmud

bearfaced

Times to Shave

- Joseph shaved Gen_41:14

Men Trimed - David

2Sa_19:24 CAB And Memphibosheth the son of Saul's son went down to meet the king, and had not dressed his feet, nor trimmed his nails, nor shaved himself, neither had he washed his garments, from the day that the king departed, until the day that he arrived in peace.

- Nazarite

Previous notes

- don't shave the corners

- those who were shaved were ashamed to return to Judah

- but trimming was allowed

Gen 41:14 WEB Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon. He shaved himself, changed his clothing, and came in to Pharaoh.

Gen 41:14 CAB And Pharaoh, having sent, called Joseph; and they brought him out from the prison, and shaved him, and changed his clothes, and he came to Pharaoh.

Gen 41:14 Ἀποστείλας δὲ Φαραω ἐκάλεσεν τὸν Ιωσηφ, καὶ ἐξήγαγον αὐτὸν ἐκ τοῦ ὀχυρώματος καὶ ἐξύρησαν αὐτὸν καὶ ἤλλαξαν τὴν στολὴν αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἦλθεν πρὸς Φαραω.

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Jess Kienel Some people call them "early church children," because they received a gospel "by grace through faith" and in many ways: turned it into a gospel of works.

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Glenn Roseberry

Glenn Roseberry So the Apostles failed to pass on the Faith preached once and for all? They believed in grace through faith AND Jesus multiple commands that He that does not obey does not love God. They make perfect sense to me.

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Jess Kienel

Jess Kienel My comment was on the early church Fathers. Not the church. Understand what you read before you hastily make an inaccurate response. There is nothing in the scripture that teaches we should grow a beard if we really loved God. The Lord looks on the heart.

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Larry Jones

Larry Jones Glenn Roseberry The NT identifies the hair as the thing that distinguishes between male and female. The ANF were expressing their opinion. And we each have that right. But to say a man with a beard is more righteous than a man without a beard or a trimmed beard: that is false doctrine. The beard is not a recognized distinction between righteousness and unrighteousness.

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Elliott Nesch

Elliott Nesch Sometimes our point doesn't come across as we intended on social media. I still don't understand what you mean Jess.

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Jess Kienel

Jess Kienel Which comment and which point?

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Elliott Nesch

Elliott Nesch The original where you said, "Some people call them "early church children," because they received a gospel "by grace through faith" and in many ways: turned it into a gospel of works."

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Jess Kienel

Jess Kienel Okay, well I have just read through many of their writings over the years and they seem to denigrate believers with doctrines and points which were never even remotely part of the gospel that I read in the scriptures. Many of them seem to belong in the Talmud, not the N.T. I actually believe many of the above comments from those "fathers" are disgraceful.

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Elliott Nesch

Elliott Nesch Specifically who are "they"? Teyo Lee? I've never heard "early church children" before. Who received a gospel by grace through faith and turned it into another gospel? What do you mean by gospel by grace through faith vs. gospel of works? I don't understand. I think I would have written a response like Glenn Roseberry if I didn't know you better. But I'm not sure what you mean. Thanks.

Women in Assembly

An Authentication of Quietness, a Charge unto Greatness, and a defense of obeying the Bible’s amazing and indispensable commands to embrace the virtue of True Feminine Modesty

>> Additions / TODO -- WiA!

>> straighten out link-styles with this doc (as seen in links below)

encouraging woman verses:

Jdg 13:2-12

Josiahs Scott, Josiahs@trueconnection.org, www.TrueConnection.org

The first part of this work called, “Women in the ‘christian Assembly’” was originally a question that was answered in our FAQs. This particular document as you see it now was written, revised and recompiled 1/13 – 1/15/10; and revised: 6/1/10; 10/23/10; 9/23/11 (add); 1/4/12

Singing Women

Other dates (~2013-2015?); 2/21/17 (recompiled); 3/21/24

>> where is the main Bible study for this?

2Sa 19:35 I am this day eighty years old: can I then distinguish between good and evil? Can thy servant taste any longer what I eat or drink? can I any longer hear the voice of singing men or singing women? and wherefore shall thy servant any longer be a burden to my lord the king?

>> TSK

Explanation

This is a defense against those who oppose us, a consolation for those who are with us, and a plea for those who are caught somewhere “in-between,” and we do this in the form of a pure proclamation of what the Bible says, even if every foolish man disagrees.

1. Women in the “Christian Assembly”

I have been asked the question by church people:

What role do you feel women should take in the church?

I have actually repented of believing what I feel, and I have chosen to believe what the Bible says instead:

Women Commanded not to Speak in Assembly

Though the Bible strongly and clearly commands that women are to be silent in the context of an assembly, (1Co_14:29-38; 1Ti_2:11-15) and that they are not to teach or have authority over a man, (1Ti_2:12; Rev_2:20; Isa_3:12) this does not mean that they don’t have a place of ministry.

Women Can be Prophetesses

Exo_15:20; (Mic_6:4); Jud_4:4 - Jud_5:31; 2Ki_22:14-20; Luk_2:36-38; Act_2:18; Act_21:9; 1Co_11:5

Prophecy is said to be the second greatest spiritual gift (1Co_12:28), so if the Bible says that women can prophesy, this speaks strongly of a woman’s high and honorable place in ministry. And one of the most exciting examples of this is my favorite heroine, Deborah, the Judge, who had tremendous influence over the entire nation of Israel, as she was a judge and prophetess for them (Jdg_4:1-24 - Jdg_5:1-31; also see 2Sa_20:16-22).

Women can be Servants of the Church (Deaconesses)

Qualifications of Servants, including Women (1Ti_3:8-13)

1Ti_3:8-13 is a primary passage on overseers and servants (deacons) of the Church, and in the very middle of this passage it describes “women” as being involved in this:

1Ti_3:8-10 - Virtue requirements (male-oriented)

1Ti_3:11 - Virtue requirements of the women involved in this

1Ti_3:12-13 - More specific requirements (male-oriented), and the hope of reward

Phebe – The Servant of the church in Cenchrea

This general reference to female servants of the Church in 1Ti_3:8-13 is even more clearly confirmed in Rom_16:1-2, where “διακονον” (diakonon^G1249, that is, “servant” or “deacon”) is applied to a woman named Phebe; (Also compare, especially the Greek of: Luk_8:2-3; Act_18:26; and also see Rom_16:1-7).

Additional Considerations:

- You can consider the overall general purposes of deacons in the Bible by comparing our FAQs on Servants of the Church (deacons).

>> RAS??? /\/\

- You can also read about the distinctive, particular purposes for a “female servant” (deaconess) of a Church in various parts of early Church history where they were found extremely useful in serving other women in ways that male servants (deacons) could not properly serve.

Women are Specifically Encouraged to Teach other Women and Children

Other women: Jer_9:20; Tit_2:2-5; 1Ti_5:2 (in these last two references, the female variations of πρεσβύτερος (presbuteros) are used, which suggests a female “Elder” for women);

Children: Pro_1:7-9; Pro_6:20-24; Pro_14:1; Pro_31:1-31; 1Ti_5:10, 1Ti_5:14; and then also compare: 2Ti_1:5; 2Ti_3:15

Women are Spiritually Equal with Men

Though women do not have the same purpose or position as men in society or in an assembly, they are spiritually equal with them:

Gal_3:26-29; 1Pe_3:5-7

Other Encouraging References to Women

Pro_31:16-17; 1Sa_25:3, 1Sa_25:18-19, 1Sa_25:23-34; Joh_2:5; 1Pe_3:6

Places Where Women Speak

Other Date(s); 8/25/19; 3/21/24

Here are many of the Scriptures for women in ministry which do call on them to speak (outside of an assembly), which address and clarify how they are to function in this manner:

Jdg_4:5-9 – Deborah is “begged” to be a Judge for Israel

2Sa_20:13-22 – The wise woman in the city (cries / lifts up her voice to Joab & directs city leaders)

Est_4:8-17; Est_5:1-5; Est_7:1-6 – Esther risks her life to expose the plot of Haman against the Jews

Susanna cries out at her trial (Dan_13:42, etc. / NETS p. 986-990, esp. 989 – as in Deu_22)

[Note: female “cortroom talking” can be seen in the original (lawful) context of Num_5, here with Theo. Of Susana, as well as the Talmud (women giving testimony).]

Joh_4:28-30, Joh_4:39-42 – The woman at the well (talks to men of the city)

Luk_24:8-11 – The women at the Resurrection (women messengers: ἀπήγγειλαν – Luk_24:9)

Rom_16:1-2 – Phoebe the deaconess [διάκονον] is charged (with some serious delegated responsibilities) to address the Church leaderships at Cenchreae and Rome (and they are to assist her [παραστῆτε… αὐτῇ ἐν ᾧ ἂν ὑμῶν χρῄζῃ πράγματι])

1Co_11:5 – Women encouraged to Prophesy (though not publically: 1Co_14:4, 1Co_14:29-38 – specified 3 chapters later)

Luk_10:38-42 – OK to ask questions while a man is hanging out (v. Luk_10:38, Luk_10:40 - as in Joh_12:2) and teaching in a House

Luk_11:27-28 – A woman in the crowd comments (with a raised voice) while Jesus is teaching among a crowd outside?

Act_18:24-26 – Aquila and Priscilla Explaining (“bringing out” or sharing: ἐκτίθημι - ektithēmi) the Way of God to Apollos

>> women speaking before kings

>> Transitioning Act_13:42-43

>> 1Co_11:5 > assembly

Women Door Keepers

1/25/17

Exo 38:8 WEB He made the basin of brass, and its base of brass, out of the mirrors of the ministering women who ministered at the door of the Tent of Meeting.

Exo 38:8 ABP And he made the [bathing tub brass], and the [base of it brass] from out of the mirrors of the women that fasted, who fasted by the doors of the tent of the testimony.

“Of the women - which assembled at the door - What the employment of these women was at the door of the tabernacle, is not easily known. Some think they assembled there for purposes of devotion. Others, that they kept watch there during the night; and this is the most probable opinion, for they appear to have been in the same employment as those who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation in the days of Samuel, who were abused by the sons of the high priest Eli, 1Sa_2:22. Among the ancients women were generally employed in the office of porters or doorkeepers. Such were employed about the house of the high priest in our Lord’s time; for a woman is actually represented as keeping the door of the palace of the high priest, Joh_18:17 : Then saith the Damsel that Kept The Door unto Peter; see also Mat_26:69. In 2Sa_4:6, both the Septuagint and Vulgate make a woman porter or doorkeeper to Ishbosheth. Aristophanes mentions them in the same office, and calls them Σηκις, Sekis, which seems to signify a common maid-servant. Aristoph, in Vespis, ver. 768: - ”

Clark on Exodus 38:8

2. Women in the Secular Assembly

This section has been written to address the pressure often given for women to speak up in classes, or other similar co-ed gatherings. This is an official response to explain why we do not let the women among us speak in any assemblies like this.

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Who We are

Those among us have corporately chosen to believe the Bible. If our faith is found vain and worthless, then we will be no different than everything that people are used to in religion as a whole, or even that which is shamefully labeled as Modern Christianity today. Because we are determined to actually obey the Bible, we have chosen an extremely unpopular and persecuted way of life that is opposed by the world, including what people call the church.

We desire and seek to be Biblical/historical (real) Christians. We are neither pagans nor Muslims, and we have no real relation to the modern ideas of christianity which includes practically everything of the visible, mainline, religious institution after 325 AD, and besides Catholicism, even includes the Protestantism that eventually resulted in the 1500s and morphed into countless varieties on up to our present day.

Contrary to the indulgent posture and practice of modern christianity, we have chosen to love and embrace that way of life which is hated most by the whole world. We have chosen to actually obey the Bible, and in the long run, typically neither overt pagans, nor those that call themselves christians care to tolerate our cherished way of life.

Because of who we are and what we must embrace, it is expected and only natural that people misunderstand us, and those who love to despise us will not care to appreciate or recognize the morality, modesty, and truth that we are lovingly bound to keep with our lives.

What is Required

Because of the things stated above, it is not surprising at all that our age has little to no concept of Biblical modesty and morality. In so many ways, we find ourselves needing to proclaim and teach so many things that people have no clue that the Bible plainly says. And because those among us are committed to obeying the commands in the Bible, including those that are unpopular, ignored, and forgotten, our women are not permitted to speak in any public gathering of people in a co-ed context.

What the Bible says about Women and Modesty

The Bible definitely and clearly teaches that women are forbidden to speak in “ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia). A primary example of this (among a good number of other passages) is found in First Corinthians chapter 14. (Especially: 1Co_14:23 – “συνέλθῃ ἡ ἐκκλησία ὅλη ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτὸ” and 1Co_14:33-38, and especially see the word, “αἰσχρὸν” in verse 1Co_14:35).

Ekklēsia, and the “Shame” of Being Corporately “Perceived”

“ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia) in its lexical definition (in Greek) as well as in its practical Biblical usage addresses basically any and every kind of assembly. This definition and usage would include assemblies from secular college classes to “religious assemblies,” which we may commonly call “churches” in English. The Greek principle of “ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia) is certainly not at all restricted, confined, or defined by the concept of a “religious assembly” as it may be commonly represented (or misrepresented) in many English versions by the use of the almost unrelated English word “church”. Nor is “ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia) determine by the size of the group, but by the nature of officially gathering in assembly, because smaller groups are often called an “ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia; and for a few examples of this, see our FAQs on “House Church”).

Because of the consistent teachings throughout the Scriptures, we can be sure that the prohibition of women speaking in “ἐκκλησία” (ekklēsia) is not in regard to the “religious properties” of the gathering, but instead, Paul explicitly says that the prohibition is based on the concept and danger of “αἰσχρὸν” (aischron), that is, the Greek word for shame as used in 1Co_14:35, which would almost certainly be caused by the “αἰσθητήριον” (aisthētērion) that is, by being “perceived” or “seen,” (by men) just as he says to Timothy (in 1Ti_2:9) that women on the contrary ought to be adorned with “αἰδοῦς” (aidous), that is, “hidden-ness.”

It does not say, “in The Church Building” or “in a Church Service” but simply, “in assembly”

We should take note that the explanation in First Corinthians 14 does not particularly specify “The” (Christian) Assembly so much in prohibiting women to speak, since there is no definite article in Paul’s explanation of why he is giving this command:

1Co_14:35 – Greek/English (Jos.Trans.)

Greek	αἰσχρὸν	γάρ	ἐστι	γυναιξὶν	ἐν	ἐκκλησίᾳ	λαλεῖν
English	^3shameful	^1for/ because	^2it is	^4women	^6in	^7(an) assembly	^5to speak

(Note: The superscripted numbers above are the order one would typically read this in English)

This does not communicate: “women cannot speak in the (Christian) Church”

But instead it is saying: “women cannot speak in (the occurrence of) an Assembly.”

This does not address something specific about the christian church, but about the principal of an “Assembly,” which is why this work is titled directly after the Greek of this Bible verse: “Women in Assembly” (γυναιξὶν ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ).

This basic awareness of human propriety in an assembly and the distinctive needs for honoring and protecting women in this context can be repeatedly seen in the Scriptures, and is consistently reaffirmed by the writings of the early Church leaders, especially during the Ante-Nicene period (i.e. before the official apostasy of 325 AD).

Modesty is Much More than Clothing

The Bible also teaches a very basic reality, that modesty reaches far beyond putting on sufficient clothing. The Bible consistently teaches that modesty is at least threefold:

(1) Vocal (How and where one speaks)

(2) Social (How one interacts with society), and

(3) in Clothing (How one dresses to hide the body from being seen)

This pattern is somewhat referenced or even summarized in numerous passages such as 1Pe_3:1-6 and 1Ti_2:8-15.

All of these particularly feminine pursuits of modesty (as seen in the two references above) are described throughout the Scriptures as a pursuit of becoming: gentle, quiet, submissive and humble, and no more amazing women have ever walked on the earth than these, since by them kingdoms have been overthrown and societies have been delivered and saved. As it says in Jesus’ most frequently quoted chapter of Proverbs:

Pro_25:15 CAB …a soft tongue breaks the bones.

Our Men and Women Love the Special Aspects of Modesty Given Particularly to Females

We prize and highly value the preservation of the femininity of our women. We zealously guard and protect it, so that we heap honor upon them in preserving them from being on display in any way. Our women themselves consider putting on humility and hidden-ness as putting on a crown of gold from God. We do not want the female race to in any way be exploited. Our women cherish the shadow of not being seen, and the protection of not being heard by the assemblies of people, because in loving these things they find Divinely imparted virtue and favor from God.

It would be an unreasonable perversion for any man or woman to pressure or compel them to uncover and display themselves visually, audibly, or socially in any way from this modesty that we have mentioned here.

Modern christianity is not the same as Obeying the Bible

The fact that American and modern churches as a whole do not teach these things is irrelevant to our application here as discussed in this letter, since they have virtually nothing to do with the Bible in terms of actually obeying it. Modern christianity is irrelevant for determining our faith and practice, since we have nothing to do with such faults (or hypocrisies), and we are in fact, committed to actually opposing their example and misrepresentations to the rest of their overtly secular people that do not even claim to believe the Bible.

We find it a striking shame for the public concept of Christianity that many notorious Muslim sects more zealously and correctly conformed to the specific purity standards of the Bible than the vast majority of what is known as modern christianity.

3. Conclusion: The Truth of Jesus is Better than Compromise or Counterfeits

The conclusions and great hopes of our desires for women in both secular and “christian assemblies”

Truth is not Popular or Socially Acceptable

I know that it is highly unpopular in our modern and “advanced” culture when we hear of the passages in the Bible where we see “Women Commanded not to Speak in Assembly,” but they are Scripture and must be submitted to regardless of our vain preferences, perceptions and foolish ideas about what is right. We must not shy away from them because they are unpopular. We should agree with these Scriptures and not find excuses to not agree with them, such as blaming the customs of the day, or distorting descriptions of women in ministry as though they were speaking and or teaching men and women publically, and using such distortions of passages to overthrow clear emphatic commands for women not to do such things. Rather the Bible commands that we take such a stance of protecting the dignity of women by promoting their sanctity and special use, protecting them in modesty and purity, keeping them modestly clothed, as well as keeping them from being displayed publically by their voice or inappropriate social interaction, (see: 1Pe_3:6, and the references at the beginning of “Women Commanded not to Speak in Assembly”).

But Don’t Distort Truth and Become “The Devil’s Martyr”

Though it is right to take stands for Truth even in the area of women in ministry, it seems that the references toward the beginning of this work to the ministry that women do rightfully have, have been ignored for a long time, or even forgotten altogether. Somehow, whether we agree with the Bible or not, we’ve tended to think that “Not Speaking in church” means not having a place of honorable service among Jesus’ people.

In seeking to get the modern church saved in the first place, in many cases I am more than willing to work with people who do not yet fully obey the Bible in this way. As a practice, I have never withdrawn from anyone for not standing with me on this issue. But I do exhort in two ways in light of this:

First

If people as a whole are ever going to be holy before God, they need to see this displayed out in the holiness of Christian women before men. We often justify Muslims who are refusing to follow Jesus when we display unto them our unchaste women, which we prostitute in public display!

Second

If lawless people are ever going to repent and obey the law of freedom (Jas_1:25; Jas_2:12), it constrains us that they would hear an accurate Gospel that does not oppose the goodness God has in mind for women, by somehow neglecting to affirm that they have a place of greatness in ministry. It is just not right to let lost, lawless church people outdo real Christians in any matter of proclaiming true things. I call on all those who follow Jesus: that we should be the first to lift up the example of Deborah, and call all women to such greatness!

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“Not being seen” –

Feminine modesty has always been visual, vocal, and social, all throughout ancient Judaism and Christianity, and is mandated all throughout the Bible. Watch how you dress, how you speak, and what you do socially. Can you think of any Bible verses that go along with this? (There are tons of them!)

It goes without saying that the visual prostitution and immodesty is the most overt, but these other aspects are vital as well, and they complete purity for the woman of God.

Vocal

Did you ever notice that Paul commands women to be silent in (coed) assemblies? Did you ever wonder “why”?

(note: we usually represent this as being silent in ‘the (Christian) Church,’ (1Co_14) but that distorts what Paul actually says about the basic nature of womanhood and social/ vocal propriety). Did you know that in our country, it is only been in the last 100 or so years that women have even been allowed to pray in public? (i.e. ‘Women’s lib.’ began in the 1800’s).

Social life

Did you ever notice that the prostitute in Proverbs is “loud” and ‘not abiding at home’ and is ‘out and about in the streets’? Did you notice that Deborah refused to sit in the gate with the men who were ruling the city? Did you notice that she sat away from society under a tree? Did you notice that it was the male rulers who sought the word of the Lord out of her mouth, and not herself exalting herself? Did you notice that every other judge in the book of judges raised up an army and more or less said ‘follow me… this is the word of the Lord to deliver Israel,’ yet Deborah constantly sought to defer authority to a man. There are 12 judges in the book of judges, and the one time God raised up a woman (truly, ‘a mother in Israel’) she detested the spotlight and avoided the busy commerce of society and was made great in God’s kingdom! When they came to her for prophecy and deliverance, she said to Jephtha ‘hasn’t the lord call *you* to deliver Israel?’

Do you realize how many times the Bible commands women to be ‘busy at home’? Ancient (moral) societies have always kept women safe and protected from the eyes of a society. This is precisely what the Bible constantly affirms. Because of this, to turn a woman into a social creature in front of society is to turn her into a social prostitute.

Do you remember in the book of Ruth, how Ruth, being a Moabites, and not a “morally sensitive Jew,” was instructed unto perfect modesty by her Jewish (moral) mother in-law Naomi. (1) Boaz said to Ruth, ‘hang out with my young *women*,’ (i.e. Since you are forced to work outside of the home); (2) Ruth (the *Moabites*), returning home Naomi said, ‘he told me to hang out with the young *men*’ (3) And Naomi (that wise woman!) said, ‘it is good for you to hang out with the young *women*’

And I might say of us today, ‘Oh we are like sheep who have gone astray… Each one turning to his own way,’ and the forsaken women of the earth are as Ruth the Moabites, in need of a Naomi to correct their desensitized culture and lead them in the way of righteousness, morality, modesty, and true propriety which is all but lost today.

As Manasseh pointed out, “Shamefacedness” is a command in the Bible. Modern versions have usually erased this and put weak and pathetic counterfeits, but

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modesty

women virtue

This is often made inaccurate in English by adding other words that make this reference to women look more specific than it is in Greek:

Greek	ὡσαύτως		Γυναῖκας
KJV (and many others)	Even so	must their[?]	wives	be
Actual (Literal) Meaning	Is this possessive?

While this verse may very well have “wives” in mind because of the references to the marriage of (male) leadership and servants (in this same chapter: 1Ti_3:2, 1Ti_3:4-5, 1Ti_3:12; and also see: 1Ti_5:4, 1Ti_5:9-10, 1Ti_5:14) in 1Ti_3:11 the Greek does not actually say “wives” (τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ) but simply says “women” (γυναῖκας).

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