The Value of Youth


Josiahs Scott,,

2/5/06; 7/22/07; 8/20/09; 6/26/10; 7/27/11 (sobering revision); 11/28/12 (Wis added); 12/21/12; 12/27/12; 2/21/13; 2/24/13; 3/5/13; 6/21/13; Physical “Age” is Greater…: 7/11/13; 8/3/13; 8/7/13

The Older Will Serve the Younger


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We Should be Seeking Honor. 1

The Superiority of Youth When There is Truth. 1

Senior Apostasy. 3

One of these Little Ones is the Greatest 3

The Path to Heaven. 4

The Potential 5

Physical “Age” is Greater than Physical Youth. 5

Grown Men Are not Supposed to Be like Children. 6

Sirach Says, Don’t Play with Your Child! 6

In You Understanding be Men. 8

A Horrifying and Unbearable Curse of Evil to Come Upon People. 8

Believers of Truth do the Opposite. 9

A Passage With Source Text Issues. 9

Righteous “Age” is Better than Righteous Youth. 9

Youth Need to Come to Jesus to be Valuable. 9

Godly Age Is Greater Than Godly Youth. 9


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We Should be Seeking Honor


Rom 2:5-10 CAB  But according to your hardness and impenitent heart you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation, and of the righteous judgment of God,  6  who will recompense to each one according to his works:  7  to those who by the endurance of good works are seeking glory and honor and incorruption--eternal life.  8  But to those who are contentious, and who disobey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath,  9  ~ tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that works evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;  10  but glory, honor, and peace to everyone that works good, both to the Jew first and to the Greek.


The Superiority of Youth When There is Truth

>> gideon' 'incompetant' son (when youth can get in the way of honor),

- put away the sins of youth

- see that you do not despise one of these little ones...


Psa_119:99-100 CAB I have more understanding than all my teachers; for Your testimonies are my meditation.  100  I understand more that the aged; because I have *sought out [* MT: “kept” (WEB)] Your commandments.


Ecc_12:1 CAB And remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of evil come, and the years overtake you [MT: “the years draw near” (WEB)] in which you shall say, I have no pleasure in them.


And this ‘evil day’ comes upon most everyone, especially after departing from their youth, because nearly all are slain in the deceitfulness of sin (Heb_3:13; Ecc_4:13) which this life slowly kills us with.


See context of the following chapters (although these are the main pertaining verses…)

[Note to Most Protestants: “Wis” = The Book of Wisdom – a book which Protestantism eventually removed from the Bible (i.e. Wisdom is included in original OT Greek Bible, the LXX, and is referenced and quoted by the NT numerous times, just like the rest of the Greek LXX).]


Wis_4:8-11 Brenton  For honourable age is not that which standeth in length of time, nor that is measured by number of years.  9  But wisdom is the gray hair unto men, and an unspotted life is old age.  10  He pleased God, and was beloved of him: so that living among sinners he was translated.  11  Yea speedily was he taken away, lest that wickedness should alter his understanding, or deceit beguile his soul.


Wis_4:13-14 Brenton  He, being made perfect in a short time, fulfilled a long time:  14  For his soul pleased the Lord: therefore hasted he to take him away from among the wicked.


Wis_4:16 Brenton  Thus the righteous that is dead shall condemn the ungodly which are living; and youth that is soon perfected the many years and old age of the unrighteous.


Wis_8:8-21 Brenton  If a man desire much experience, she [Wisdom (personified)] knoweth things of old, and conjectureth aright what is to come: she knoweth the subtilties of speeches, and can expound dark sentences: she foreseeth signs and wonders, and the events of seasons and times.  9  Therefore I purposed to take her to me to live with me, knowing that she would be a counsellor of good things, and a comfort in cares and grief.  10  For her sake I shall have estimation among the multitude, and honour with the elders, though I be young.  11  I shall be found of a quick conceit in judgment, and shall be admired in the sight of great men.  12  When I hold my tongue, they shall bide my leisure [‘wait for me’], and when I speak, they shall give good ear unto me: if I talk much, they shall lay their hands upon their mouth.  13  Moreover by the means of her I shall obtain immortality, and leave behind me an everlasting memorial to them that come after me.  14  I shall set the people in order, and the nations shall be subject unto me.  15  Horrible tyrants shall be afraid, when they do but hear of me; I shall be found good among the multitude, and valiant in war.  16  After I am come into mine house, I will repose myself with her: for her conversation hath no bitterness; and to live with her hath no sorrow, but mirth and joy.  17  Now when I considered these things in myself, and pondered them in my heart, how that to be allied unto wisdom is immortality;  18  And great pleasure it is to have her friendship; and in the works of her hands are infinite riches; and in the exercise of conference with her, prudence; and in talking with her, a good report; I went about seeking how to take her to me.  19  For I was a witty child, and had a good spirit.  20  Yea rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled. [?]  21  Nevertheless, when I perceived that I could not otherwise obtain her, except God gave her me; and that was a point of wisdom also to know whose gift she was; I prayed unto the Lord, and besought him, and with my whole heart…


Wis_9:5-6 Brenton  For I thy servant and son of thine handmaid am a feeble person, and of a short time [ὀλιγοχρόνιος], and too young for the understanding of judgment and laws.  6  For though a man be never so perfect [τέλειος – Greek expression for “full-grown”/ fully grown up/ mature] among the children of men, yet if thy wisdom be not with him, he shall be nothing regarded.

>> compare Jeremiah


Senior Apostasy

>> senior app preaches the 'retirement gospel'... jolly and goofy gum drops

>> see: Age Insanity in Sp. Warfare


Ecc_4:13 CAB Better is a poor and wise child than an old and foolish king, who knows not *how to take heed [* MT: “receive admonition” (WEB)] any longer.

Ecc_4:14 WEB For out of prison he came forth to be king; yes, even in his kingdom he was born poor.

Ecc_4:14 CAB For he shall come forth out of the house of the prisoners to reign, because he also that was in his kingdom has become poor.

Ecc_4:14  ὅτι ἐξ οἴκου τῶν δεσμίων ἐξελεύσεται τοῦ βασιλεῦσαι, ὅτι καί γε ἐν βασιλείᾳ αὐτοῦ ἐγεννήθη πένης.


1Ki_11:1-4 CAB  And King Solomon was *a lover of women [φιλογύναιος]. And he took [ἔλαβεν] strange women, as well as the daughter of Pharaoh, Moabite and Ammonite women, Syrians and Edomites, Hittites and Amorites;  2  of the nations concerning whom the Lord forbade the children of Israel, saying, You shall not *go in to them [* εἰσελεύσεσθε εἰς αὐτούς], and they shall not *come in to you [εἰσελεύσονται εἰς ὑμᾶς], lest they turn away [ἐκκλίνωσιν] your hearts after their idols; *Solomon clung to these in love [εἰς αὐτοὺς ἐκολλήθη Σαλωμων τοῦ ἀγαπῆσαι (i.e. by ἔλαβεν in v.1, which is marriage?)].  3  And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines. And the strange women turned away his heart after their gods.  4  And it came to pass in the time of Solomon's old age, that his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

> get updates from pop: ecr


This is definitely related to why Jesus says you have to become like a child to make it to heaven.


Commands for proclaimers of truth (even younger men) to exhort older men against such apostasy:

Tit_2:2; 1Ti_5:1, 1Ti_5:19-21, (1Ti_5:24-25)


[Note: This is a running list (we hope to keep updating it, especially throughout the next few years)]


One of these Little Ones is the Greatest


Mar_9:35-37 CAB  And having sat down He called the twelve, and said to them, "If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all."  36  And taking a child, He stood him in their midst. And taking him in His arms, He said to them,  37  whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me, but Him who sent Me."


Mat_18:1-6 CAB  At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is the greater in the kingdom of heaven?"  2  Then Jesus called a little child, and set him in their midst,  3  and said, "Assuredly I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.  4  Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven.  5  And whoever receives one such little child in My name, receives Me.  6  "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone be hanged on his neck, and he be drowned in the depth of the sea.


Mat_19:13-14 CAB  Then little children were brought to Him, that He might put His hands on them and pray; but the disciples rebuked them.  14  But Jesus said, "Allow the little children to come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven."


Note: the disciples did become children: Mat_11:25


The Path to Heaven

Hopefully we will remember Jesus' words and agree with them:


Mat_18:3-4 MKJV …Truly I say to you, Unless you are converted and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven. 4 Therefore whoever shall humble himself like this little child, this one is the greater in the kingdom of Heaven. (Also see Mar_10:15)


Notice that He did not say we would be great if we were as, “a child,” but said, “humble himself like this little child” which clearly does not include spoiled children in the perversion of modern societies today which are often undisciplined and indulgent and don’t fear to disrespect those older than them.


Luk_10:21 WEB …Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, "I thank you, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight." (Compare Mat_11:25)


Mar_10:14 MKJV …Jesus… said to them, Allow the little children to come to Me and do not hinder them. For of such is the kingdom of God.


It’s kind of strange. Though we know that the renewal of godly youthfulness is supposed to be our goal:


Psa_103:5; Jer_2:2-3; Ezk_16:43; Hos_2:15; Rev_2:3-5


And we also know that the Bible repeatedly exhorts us not to despise youth:


1Sa_2:18, 26; 3:1, 4, 7, 10-20; 17:33-37, 42-50; 2Ki_22:1; Jer_1:6-10; Dan_1:17 wisdom; Zac_4:10; Mat_18:10; 21:16; 1Co_1:28; 1Ti_4:12; Joe_2:28/Act_2:17; Heb_11:23


…yet we still do it anyway!


Though we all seem to know and quote so many passages about how we are to enter heaven like a child, we still habitually look down on youth as being a disgraceful quality, even if a young person’s faith is greater than our own!


The Potential

Though most youth are observably fickle, we must choose to believe that it is possible to see them walk up-rightly from their youth:


1Sa_12:2; 1Ki_18:12; Psa_71:5, 17


Exo_33:11 CAB  And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as if one should speak to his friend; and he retired into the camp: but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.


Oh that older and younger alike would learn to pray with the desperation of Joshua!


I had to correct this translation from the Greek LXX:

Psa_119:139-141 CAB Your [the] zeal [for your house (ὁ ζῆλος τοῦ οἴκου σου)] has quite wasted me; because my enemies have forgotten Your words. 140  Your word has been very fully tried; and Your servant loves it.  141  I am young and despised; yet I have not forgotten Your statutes.

> is this quoted in the fire bbs??? – I think I need to update it there too!


(Compare Psa_69:9; Joh_2:17)


It’s so easy to say, “Boys will be boys,” but it takes faith in Jesus to set your face for greater things, and realistically “…exhort the younger men to be sober-minded, (Tit_2:6 WEB).” And “…train the young women… 6 [and] …exhort the young men… (Tit_2:4, 6 MKJV)."


Physical “Age” is Greater than Physical Youth


Lev_19:32 CAB  You shall rise up before the hoary head, and honor the face of the old man, and shall fear your God: I am the Lord your God.


Lev_19:32 Greek  ἀπὸ προσώπου πολιοῦ ἐξαναστήσῃ καὶ τιμήσεις πρόσωπον πρεσβυτέρου καὶ φοβηθήσῃ τὸν θεόν σου· ἐγώ εἰμι κύριοςθεὸς ὑμῶν.


Exo_20:12 CAB  Honor your father and your mother, that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the good land, which the Lord your God gives to you.


Exo_20:12 Greek  τίμα τὸν πατέρα σου καὶ τὴν μητέρα, ἵνα εὖ σοι γένηται, καὶ ἵνα μακροχρόνιος γένῃ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς τῆς ἀγαθῆς, ἧς κύριοςθεός σου δίδωσίν σοι. --


Pro_16:31 CAB  Old age is a crown of honor, but it is found in the ways of righteousness.


1Ki_2:19 CAB  And Bathsheba went in to King Solomon to speak to him concerning Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and kissed her, and sat on the throne, and a throne was set for the mother of the king, and she sat on his right hand.


Job_32:4 CAB  But Elihu had waited to give an answer to Job, because they were older than he was.


Job_32:6 CAB  And Elihu the Buzite the son of Barachiel answered and said, I am younger in age, and you are older, therefore I kept silent, fearing to declare to you my own knowledge.


Sir_7:14 Brenton  Use not many words [μὴ ἀδολέσχει] in a multitude of elders [ἐν πλήθει πρεσβυτέρων], and make not much babbling when thou prayest.


Sir 8:6 Brenton  Dishonour [ἀτιμάσῃς] not a man in his old age [γήρᾳ]: for even some of us wax old [καὶ γὰρ ἐξ ἡμῶν γηράσκουσιν].


Grown Men Are not Supposed to Be like Children

>> think: when God ran


>> age is physically more valuable; Youth is more valuable for humility, if

>> concern: having T around our faith and weakness whenever he might despise the weakness/ confessions made…



>> Get refs!

Put Away the Things of a Child

1Co_13:11-12 CAB  When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child, I reasoned as a child; but when I became a man, I put away the things of the child.  12  For now we see through a mirror by reflection, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.


1Co_13:11-12 Greek  ὅτε ἤμην νήπιος, ὡς νήπιος ἐλάλουν, ὡς νήπιος ἐφρόνουν, ὡς νήπιος ἐλογιζόμην· ὅτε δὲ γέγονα ἀνήρ, κατήργηκα τὰ τοῦ νηπίου.  12  βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον· ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην,


Sirach Says, Don’t Play with Your Child!


Sir_30:1-14 Brenton  He that loveth his son causeth him oft to feel the rod, that he may have joy of him in the end.  2  He that chastiseth his son shall have joy in him, and shall rejoice of him among his acquaintance.  3  He that teacheth his son grieveth the enemy: and before his friends he shall rejoice of him.  4  Though his father die, yet he is as though he were not dead: for he hath left one behind him that is like himself.  5  While he lived, he saw and rejoiced in him: and when he died, he was not sorrowful.  6  He left behind him an avenger against his enemies, and one that shall requite kindness to his friends.  7  He that maketh too much of his son shall bind up his wounds; and his bowels will be troubled at every cry.  8  An horse not broken becometh headstrong: and a child left to himself will be wilful.  9  Cocker thy child, and he shall make thee afraid: play with him, and he will bring thee to heaviness.  10  Laugh not with him, lest thou have sorrow with him, and lest thou gnash thy teeth in the end.  11  Give him no liberty in his youth, and wink not at his follies.  12  Bow down his neck while he is young, and beat him on the sides while he is a child, lest he wax stubborn, and be disobedient unto thee, and so bring sorrow to thine heart.  13  Chastise thy son, and hold him to labour, lest his lewd behaviour be an offence unto thee.  14  Better is the poor, being sound and strong of constitution, than a rich man that is afflicted in his body.

Sir_30:1-14 Greek  Ὁ ἀγαπῶν τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ ἐνδελεχήσει μάστιγας αὐτῷ, ἵνα εὐφρανθῇ ἐπ᾿ ἐσχάτων αὐτοῦ·  2  ὁ παιδεύων τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ ὀνήσεται ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον γνωρίμων ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ καυχήσεται·  3  ὁ διδάσκων τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ παραζηλώσει τὸν ἐχθρὸν καὶ ἔναντι φίλων ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ ἀγαλλιάσεται.  4  ἐτελεύτησεν αὐτοῦ ὁ πατήρ, καὶ ὧς οὐκ ἀπέθανεν· ὅμοιον γὰρ αὐτῷ κατέλιπεν μετ᾿ αὐτόν.  5  ἐν τῇ ζωῇ αὐτοῦ εἶδεν καὶ εὐφράνθη καὶ ἐν τῇ τελευτῇ αὐτοῦ οὐκ ἐλυπήθη·  6  ἐναντίον ἐχθρῶν κατέλιπεν ἔκδικον καὶ τοῖς φίλοις ἀνταποδιδόντα χάριν.  7  περιψύχων υἱὸν καταδεσμεύσει τραύματα αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐπὶ πάσῃ βοῇ ταραχθήσεται σπλάγχνα αὐτοῦ.  8  ἵππος ἀδάμαστος ἐκβαίνει σκληρός, καὶ υἱὸς ἀνειμένος ἐκβαίνει προαλής.  9  τιθήνησον τέκνον, καὶ ἐκθαμβήσει σε· σύμπαιξον αὐτῷ, καὶ λυπήσει σε.  10  μὴ συγγελάσῃς αὐτῷ, ἵνα μὴ συνοδυνηθῇς, καὶ ἐπ᾿ ἐσχάτων γομφιάσεις τοὺς ὀδόντας σου.  11  μὴ δῷς αὐτῷ ἐξουσίαν ἐν νεότητι·  12  θλάσον τὰς πλευρὰς αὐτοῦ, ὡς ἔστιν νήπιος, μήποτε σκληρυνθεὶς ἀπειθήσῃ σοι.  13  παίδευσον τὸν υἱόν σου καὶ ἔργασαι ἐν αὐτῷ, ἵνα μὴ ἐν τῇ ἀσχημοσύνῃ αὐτοῦ προσκόψῃς.  14  Κρείσσων πτωχὸς ὑγιὴς καὶ ἰσχύων τῇ ἕξει ἢ πλούσιος μεμαστιγωμένος εἰς σῶμα αὐτοῦ.


Mat_11:16-17 CAB  But to what shall I compare this generation? It is similar to children who sit in the marketplaces and call to their playmates,  17  and say, 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; We mourned to you, and you did not lament.'


Mat_11:16-17 Greek  Τίνι δὲ ὁμοιώσω τὴν γενεὰν ταύτην; ὁμοία ἐστὶ παιδίοις καθημένοις ἐν ταῖς ἀγοραῖς, ἃ προσφωνοῦντα τοῖς ἑτέροις αὐτῶν λέγουσιν·  17  ηὐλήσαμεν ὑμῖν, καὶ οὐκ ὠρχήσασθε, ἐθρηνήσαμεν ὑμῖν, καὶ οὐκ ἐκόψασθε.



Luk_7:28-35 CAB  "For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."  29  And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John.  30  But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God for themselves, because they had not been baptized by him.  31  "Therefore to what shall I compare the men of this generation, and what are they like?  32  They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling to one another, saying: 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we mourned for you, and you did not weep.'  33  "For John the Baptist has come neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.'  34  The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'  35  And so wisdom is justified by all her children."



Tit_2:2-4 CAB  Older men are to be sober, serious, temperate, sound in the faith, in love, in endurance.  3  Older women likewise are to be reverent in demeanor, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teaching what is good,  4  so that they may urge the young women to be lovers of their husbands, lovers of their children,



Tit_2:2-4 Greek  Πρεσβύτας νηφαλίους εἶναι, σεμνούς, σώφρονας, ὑγιαίνοντας τῇ πίστει, τῇ ἀγάπῃ, τῇ ὑπομονῇ.  3  Πρεσβύτιδας ὡσαύτως ἐν καταστήματι ἱεροπρεπεῖς, μὴ διαβόλους, μὴ οἴνῳ πολλῷ δεδουλωμένας, καλοδιδασκάλους,  4  ἵνα σωφρονίζωσι τὰς νέας φιλάνδρους εἶναι, φιλοτέκνους,



1Pe_5:5-7 CAB  Likewise, younger people, subject yourselves to the elders. And all of you be subject to one another, and be clothed with humility, because "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."  6  Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,  7  casting all your anxiety upon Him, because He cares about you.



1Pe_5:5-7 Greek  Ομοίως, νεώτεροι, ὑποτάγητε πρεσβυτέροις, πάντες δὲ ἀλλήλοις τὴν ταπεινοφροσύνην ἐγκομβώσασθε· ὅτι ὁ Θεὸς ὑπερηφάνοις ἀντιτάσσεται, ταπεινοῖς δὲ δίδωσι χάριν.  6  Ταπεινώθητε οὖν ὑπὸ τὴν κραταιὰν χεῖρα τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἵνα ὑμᾶς ὑψώσῃ ἐν καιρῷ,  7  πᾶσαν τὴν μέριμναν ὑμῶν ἐπιρρίψαντες ἐπ᾿ αὐτόν, ὅτι αὐτῷ μέλει περὶ ὑμῶν.


In You Understanding be Men


1Co_14:20 CAB  Brothers, do not be children in your understanding; rather, in malice be children, but in understanding be men.


1Co_14:20 Greek  ᾿Αδελφοί, μὴ παιδία γίνεσθε ταῖς φρεσίν, ἀλλὰ τῇ κακίᾳ νηπιάζετε, ταῖς δὲ φρεσὶ τέλειοι γίνεσθε.


A Horrifying and Unbearable Curse of Evil to Come Upon People


Isa_3:1-5 CAB  Behold now, the Lord, the Lord of hosts, will take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the mighty man and mighty woman, the strength of bread, and the strength of water,  2  the great and mighty man, the warrior and the judge, the prophet, the counselor, and the elder,  3  the captain of fifty also, and the honorable counselor, and the wise artificer, and the intelligent hearer.  4  And I will make youths their princes, and mockers shall have dominion over them.  5  And the people shall fall, man upon man, and every man upon his neighbor; the child shall insult the elder man, and the base toward the honorable.


Lam_5:12 CAB  Princes were hanged up by their hands; the elders were not honored.


Gen_9:20-25 CAB  And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard.  21  And he drank of the wine, and was drunk, and was naked in his house.  22  And Ham the father of Canaan saw the nakedness of his father, and he went out and told his two brothers outside.  23  And Shem and Japheth, having taken a garment, put it on both their backs and went backwards, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their face was backward, and they saw not the nakedness of their father.  24  And Noah recovered from the wine, and knew all that his younger son had done to him.  25  And he said, Cursed be the servant Canaan, a slave shall he be to his brothers.


Gen_31:35 CAB  And she said to her father, Be not indignant, Sir; I cannot rise up before you, for it is with me according to the manner of women. Laban searched in all the house, and did not find the images.


Gen_31:35 Greek  καὶ εἶπεν τῷ πατρὶ αὐτῆς Μὴ βαρέως φέρε, κύριε· οὐ δύναμαι ἀναστῆναι ἐνώπιόν σου, ὅτι τὸ κατ᾿ ἐθισμὸν τῶν γυναικῶν μοί ἐστιν. ἠρεύνησεν δὲ Λαβαν ἐν ὅλῳ τῷ οἴκῳ καὶ οὐχ εὗρεν τὰ εἴδωλα.


Believers of Truth do the Opposite


Rom_13:7 CAB  Render therefore to all their dues: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.


1Ti_5:1 CAB  Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers,


1Pe_2:17 CAB  Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


>> see Biblical Bowing – Children/relatives bow...


A Passage With Source Text Issues

Pro_20:29 CAB  Wisdom is an ornament to young men, and gray hairs are the glory of old men.


Pro_20:29 WEB  The glory of young men is their strength. The splendor of old men is their gray hair.



Righteous “Age” is Better than Righteous Youth


Youth Need to Come to Jesus to be Valuable

Youth is not inherently valuable, but rather, youth in-and-of itself is vanity, (Ecc_11:10) and has no value apart from pursuing Jesus:


Mar_10:14 MKJV …Jesus… said to them, Allow the little children to come to Me… For of such is the kingdom of God.


And youth is said to have the foolish sins that we are to flee from: Pro_7:7; Jer_3:25; 32:30; 2Ti_2:22


Godly Age Is Greater Than Godly Youth

Although it is often not the case in modern society, older people should actually be leading the way in all zeal, truth, and mighty godliness.


Job_29:8 CAB  The young men saw me, and hid themselves: and all the old men stood up.


Consider the profound fact that Job was so exceedingly godly (he had so much value infused in him from righteousness) that even older men rose up for him!


Pro_4:18 CAB But the ways of the righteous shine like light; *they go forth and shine, until the day has fully come [* MT: “That shines more and more until the perfect day” (WEB)].


Pro_16:31 CAB Old age [MT: “Gray hair” (WEB)] is a crown of honor [LXX: καυχήσεως – rejoicing/ boasting; MT: “glory” (WEB)], but [δὲ] it is found [MT: attained (WEB)] in the ways of righteousness.


Ecc_7:8 CAB The end of a matter is better than the beginning thereof; the patient is better than the high-minded [ὑψηλὸν πνεύματι – those exalted in spirit].


Luk_2:52 CAB  And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.


Oh, that one day we would finally see people actually increase this way, instead of becoming more treacherous and foolish as they age!


Also see: 2Co_3:18; 1Ti_5:1; 1Pe_5:5



Nearly all church people always assume that “age” makes them wiser and more godly, no matter how much sin and absurd folly they live in. We say in our heart, we were not sensible at all until we got older, so there’s no way that those young zealots could have it any better off or more figured out than we did when we were young and inexperienced…


It is clear: Godly age is indeed greater than godly youth, but tragically, most no one has either of these things in church today! May we not forget that spiritual youth is of infinitely greater value than physical age.


May we one day see a day come where youth are made into truth, and where they finally have some faithful gray-headed leaders to perfect them in real wisdom!



The Older Will Serve the Younger

The reward-able, exalt-able, worthy supremacy of overflowing zeal...

Why Zeal establishes and maintains your primacy

11/16/14; 11/24/14; 11/29/14; 12/26/14; 12/26/14 (Watch out how you start); 12/31/14 (Prodigal son); 1/1/15; 1/19/15 (Al Helped); 2/21/15 (JS revised); 2/23/15 (Al & JS revisions); 3/8/15


BBS: Fire

BBS: Zeal:


Comp: value of youth -- Pop: VOY


Preparatory Disclaimers

- I do not intend to tell you exactly what I am looking for, because this spiritual justice is apprehended by faith. (lest some be tempted to imitate forms instead of faith, and confuse everyone)

- Al: pls remind us of any of the things I said to you

- there are a lot more examples.... Plse add them as we go...


Chronological Faithfulness vs. Overflowing Zeal

Chronological faithfulness should (by default) arrange you in spiritual supremacy, but the qualitative superiority of overflowing zeal, that legitomately moves God's sentiments on the earth (does justice), is worthy of even higher exaltation.


There are physical things that should give you spiritual primacy


- Mar_8:17 - "do you still not understand"

- Joh_14:9 - "after so long a time do you still not know me Phillip?"

- Heb_5:12 - by the time you ought to be teachers...

- Jesus often preferred the inocent testimony of children above the faith of His apostles


Preaching vs. Following Zeal

Preaching zeal needs revelation, but Following zeal only needs an obsession over the truth!


H is a Good Example to Imitate

H seems almost always ready to be made zealous, and this has a lot to do with the way you handle trials and persecutions -- "the reproaches of thos who reproach you"


Main Passages

Gen_25:23; Rom_9:12

>> Get/Paste CAB & Gr


Gen_25:23  And the Lord said to her, There are two nations in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy belly, and one people shall excel the other, and the elder shall serve the younger.

Gen_25:23  καὶ εἶπεν κύριος αὐτῇ Δύο ἔθνη ἐν τῇ γαστρί σού εἰσιν, καὶ δύο λαοὶ ἐκ τῆς κοιλίας σου διασταλήσονται· καὶ λαὸς λαοῦ ὑπερέξει, καὶ ὁ μείζων δουλεύσει τῷ ἐλάσσονι.


Rom_9:12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."

Rom_9:12  οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων, ἀλλ᾿ ἐκ τοῦ καλοῦντος, ἐρρέθη αὐτῇ ὅτι ὁ μείζων δουλεύσει τῷ ἐλάσσονι,


This is an intentioonal irony....


The Law of the First Born

There is, of course, the law of the first born -- older children automatically inherit preimenance.



Joh_19:26-27 – 'behold your mother, behold, your son' -- Jesus was the first born!


This is what a Double-portion is about


Deu 21:17 CAB  But he shall acknowledge the firstborn of the hated one, to give to him double of all things which shall be found by him, because he is the first of his children, and to him belongs the birthright.


Age Can Also Determine Default Spiritual Leadership

- by the time you ought to be teachers...

- Appoint elders in every city

- Older men as fathers...

- Just as physical gender can play a part in leadership, so also physical age can indicate the defaults...


Righteousness can be so Perfectly in the young, that it counfounds the old

- Mat_11:25-26 - You have revealed them to babbies

- one who was perfected at an early age:

Wis 4:8-9 br-CAB  For honourable age is not that which standeth in length of time, nor that is measured by number of years. But wisdom is the gray hair unto men, and an unspotted life is old age.

Wis 4:13 br-CAB  He, being made perfect in a short time, fulfilled a long time:


This is why Young Timothy was able to appoint Elders...


A Faithful Leader's Default vs. The Special Worthiness of New Followers

The faithfulness of a leader makes him [by default] prefer the eldest (if possible) [longest living/most history], but it is the faithfulness of a follower (or lack thereof) that makes them deserve to be promoted or demoted.

* as Abraham to Ishmael, Isaac to Esau, Joseph to Manasse, etc.

Gen_17:18-21, Gen_21:9-11 - Abraham and Ishmael

Gen_25:28, Gen_27:4 - Isaac to Esau

Gen_48:13-14, Gen 48:17-20 – Ephraim (younger) set over Manasse (older)


* because the end of a thing is better than the beginning, old wine is beter than new, etc.




Jesus was the first born...

>> (Jesus) grew in faovr with God and men

Luk 2:40 CAB  And the Child was growing and becoming strong in spirit, being filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.

Luk 2:52 CAB  And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.


1Sa 2:26 CAB  And the child Samuel advanced, and was in favor with God and with men.


The Submission of the People Does Not Imply the Immunity of the Authority

We Submit to Established Authority, But That Does not Imply that the Authority is Immune to Revision

Rebellion and the disorder of authoritative higherarchies is bad (Rom_13:1-7; Jud_1:6), but the Suprime/top authroity has always resurved the right to revise those authorities under him. (as seen below)




Examples Where the Supreme Authority Revises the Authority of Those Under Him


Rom_11:16-24 – branches were broken off that you might be grafted in...


Faithful with little, you will be faithful w much...

Mat_25:19-30, esp. Mat_25:26-30

>> Mat_25 (above)

TSK: get more refs (if possible)

Luk_16:11-12, Luk_19:17


But the one to whom little was given, even what he thinks he has will be lifted away from him.

Luk_16:10, Mat_13:12



Age Primacy Revised

??Gen (incl. Joseph's sons); prophets;

??A good servant will surpass a lazy son...

Gen_4:25-26 ?? – Cain and Able

Gen_9:20-27 – Shem, Ham, Jepheth???

Gen_38:6-7 – Judah's sons

Gen_49:22-26 – Joseph to his older brothers

>> one of the youngest, but promoted to be king of Egypt

Gen_49:3-4 – Jacob demoted his first born! Ruben revised by Jacob

Exo_2:1-4, Exo_2:14, Exo_7:1, Exo_7:7, Mic_6:4   Moses surpassed his older sister and old brother

Jdg_11:1-11 – son of a strange woman surpassed the heirs... (someone say: "gentiles")

1Sa_3:19-21 – Samuel surpassed Eli

1Sa_16:4-16 – David was chosen above 7 other brothers, and king Saul!

2Sa_6:23, 2Sa_12:24-25, 1Ki_1:13 – Although Michal was his first wife, she bore no children, and another woman's son became king...

Job_1:18-19, Job_42:12-15 – Job's first children were killed, and it was his new children that became the heirs

Mat_8:11-12 – The sons of the kingdom will be thrown out

Luke 15:11-32 – Prodigal Son Surpasses Older Bro in the eyes of the father

Jon_4:10-11 – Jonah's God preferring the pagans....

Mal_1:10-12 – prophecy of Gentiles offering a pure offering

Rom_15:16 – Gentiles offering a pure offering!

Gal_4:22-31 – Abraham's first son was of the flesh, but spiritual Isacc became a parable of Jesus



2Ki_22:1-2 – Josiah was made king at 8 -- this shows that specialized authority is prioritized over the default of age authority

1Ti_1:2-3, 1Ti_1:18 – Young Timothy was given authority over elders

>> more refs, incl.

 – "Young Timothy"

1Ti_4:11-12 – no one look down on your youth

1Ti_5: – appointing elders, etc. (Titus "appointing elders"- Tit_1:4-5)

Tit_2:15 – Speak...with all authority...let no one dspise you


Mat_20:16 – Many of the Last will be first, and the first last...

(1Pe_2:23, 1Pe_4:19 – In the meantime: We are Entrusting our souls to Him who judges righteously)


Jud_1:6 – The angel who did not keep their first estate...


Jesus was so great he surpassed his mother and all His fathers!

>> Mat_22:45 – if He is his son, why does David call him lord...


Legitimate zeal that reproduces God’s sentiments on the earth DOES surpass primacy upon the earth



For Her (the old woman waxed with Wisdom) are we going to teach her? or are we going to recieve from her?

the man in his 40's is he the one that will be that specific fire ball you speak of?




H: Holy sir, my mommy seems to be preeminent all around, is it wrong to want to serve her into forever?


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H: How does a student is not greater than his teacher play into these things o faithful sir


H: Maybe you are speaking about whether the student will actually get to inherit being like his teacher or whether they will not be worthy of it?


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Al: and what about people having different strengths and gifts and things like that...if strengths and gifts are expressed then does that mean you're being surpassed?




>> Jesus preferred to bless the youngest children (mat19) and had the youngest apostle as one of the three favorite.


Luke 15:11-32 – Prodigal Son Surpasses Older Bro

No matter how infinitely exciting the Father is, and no matter how fully capable of fun, and rejoicing, and fervent warm affection God is, it is still possible to be board after being exposed to truth, and you can religiously and or (overtly) secularly be lusting your warm affections after "other" warm friends... With discontentment, boredom, complacency and or restlessness, you will be yawning in the face of infinity, and threating the most passionate sanity as if it were deficit! But truth is only temporarily humbled on earth: 2co13. And it is about to burn...

Truth and Heaven are not boring, you are! And your shallowness to not rejoice over truth by faith is a danger of destruction and scandal to you...




>> in the end, God does not care if you just worked hard, but rather, if your heart is where His heart is at.

>> beware lest the last ones come in ahead of you... ("many" but not all... will be reversed at Judgement)


Esau Sold His Birthright

> Gen_25:31-34

This can happen in an absolute sense or in a relative sense... Both cases are dangerous, even if some do not always result in immediate apostacy



Spiritual Age Primacy

1Th_2:14 – Imitators of the churches in Judeah

1Co_14:36 – Did the word of God come out from you?


Spiritual Age Revision

Gal_5:7 – Make sure no on cuts in on you

2Jn_1:8 – But that we receive a full reward

Heb_5:12 – By the time you ought to be teachers...

> if you don't get zealous and spiritual, younger disciples are going to teach you!

Act_1:20-26 – Matthias took Judas' place

Think: Paul surpassed virtually everyone who had originally been with Jesus in person...

Gal_2:11 – Paul rebukes Peter...

2Co_11:5 – I am no behind the chiefest of the apostles


>> Hist Sus:

Dan 13:45 br-CAB  Therefore when she was led to be put to death, the Lord raised up the holy spirit of a young youth whose name was Daniel

Dan_13:52 – You have grown old in your sins

Dan 13:52 br-CAB  So when they were put asunder one from another, he called one of them, and said unto him, O thou that art waxen old in wickedness, now thy sins which thou hast committed aforetime are come to light.



Joh_8:21 – You (older Pharisees) will Die in Your Sins



Watch Out How You Start!

You absolutely have to have a good start, even if that means you got to keep starting over and taking redos until you burst forth out of the gate blasing with flames!


Start and Restart!

Rev_2:4-5 – Repent and do the first works... (Don't Lesson Your Zeal)

Always Keep a duster and a dust pan near by...

You should be saved over and over again for the rest of your life until you are as great as the patriarchs, just as Abraham had many revelations.

Php_1:6 – He who began a good work will be faithful to complete it in you

Enoch 94:4, Col_3:12-14 – choose an elect life... Put on as the chosen of God...


Lack of Eagerness Means Lack of Disciplship

in you (internally/qualitatively), and from disciplers

remember: YOUR faith has healed you -- See: insp

It is your job to drag out the nest from all whom you hope to live from


Mar_3:17 - Sons of Thunder! -- The right type of Disciples....


Fervent Prayers Needed

If you do not excitedly jump with faith at prayer mtgs now, then you might not be notified about them later when dramatic tornados of truth are thundering from heaven later... Moses needs a faithful attendant named Joshua who will endure through trials, not a cheapening observer in it for entertainment. Don't just ask to be notified; do zealous faith now so we won't want to do a prayer meeting without you later!

Don't request with your lipse, show with your actions.




Being a Praying Titus

The more you are a titus (H), the more you are needed by those who pray. A person should not have defend their encouragement from their own attendants!

When praying with the masses, a leader typically has to defend their own encouragement and find faith and courage and a reason to live, and then come out and pray salvations with the masses. because they cannot count on anyone to encourage them, they have to take care of all their own needs separatly before everyone meets (as Jesus praying alone in the morning). The more you are a prayer solution, rather than just a prayer need, the more you are in on the inner circle of greate prayers with those who know God.


(Like Always, Some decitions and limitations are unavoidable:

- gender boundaries

- geographic limitations

- other particulars)


But besides all of these, through this internship, make sure you pertain to the greatest prayers on earth whenever possible. When someone's weak, make sure they want to pray with you, since,

Pro_18:16 - LXX???"a man's gift makes room for him" (pro MT)

Pro_22:29 - And 'one who excels in his work will stand before great men'



>> See:

>> Al: pls mk an organized version of this? -- maybe we can talk more about what is needed...

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Sir_25:3        What you have not saved in your youth, how will you acquire in your old age?

4    How becoming to the gray-haired is judgment,

and a knowledge of counsel to those on in years!

5    How becoming to the aged is wisdom, understanding and prudence to the venerable!

6    The crown of old men is wide experience;

their glory, the fear of Yahweh.


Brats Do Not Inherit Heaven

The Kingdom of Heaven Does not Pertain to such as these



The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these (i.e. monotheistic, Jewish kids -- the least in society -- not rich American brats)


End times = older people not being honored

>> comp.: the horrifying references we compiled


Youths mocked Elisha, and bears came out and ate them -- they obviously did not inherit the kingdom of heaven!


A companion of fools causes shame -- not heaven


>> TSK on proverbs of ‘an evil son…’


Brat proponent:





Luk 1 – the old Elizabeth has to be pretty humble to call this 16 year old girls baby her lord



The Older Will Serve the Younger



Isaac over Ishmael

Jacob over Esau

Joseph over his brothers

Ephraim over Manasseh


Abraham wanted Ishmael to be his main son

Isaac wanted Esau

(Jacob is the only one here who wanted Joseph exalted, but still did not want his brother bowing down to him…)

Joseph wanted Manasseh to be the first born.


Jacob: I might be blind the like my father, but I actually know what I’m doing…



Gen 48:18 WEB Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father; for this is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head."

Gen 48:18 CAB And Joseph said to his father, Not so, father; for this is the firstborn; lay your right hand upon his head.

Gen 48:18  εἶπεν δὲ Ιωσηφ τῷ πατρὶ αὐτοῦ Οὐχ οὕτως, πάτερ· οὗτος γὰρ ὁ πρωτότοκος· ἐπίθες τὴν δεξιάν σου ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ.

Gen 48:19 His father refused, and said, "I know, my son, I know. He also will become a people, and he also will be great. However, his younger brother will be greater than he, and his seed will become a multitude of nations."

Gen 48:19 And he would not, but said, I know it, son, I know it; he also shall be a people, and he shall be exalted, but his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

Gen 48:19  καὶ οὐκ ἠθέλησεν, ἀλλὰ εἶπεν Οἶδα, τέκνον, οἶδα· καὶ οὗτος ἔσται εἰς λαόν, καὶ οὗτος ὑψωθήσεται, ἀλλὰ ὁ ἀδελφὸς αὐτοῦ ὁ νεώτερος μείζων αὐτοῦ ἔσται, καὶ τὸ σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἔσται εἰς πλῆθος ἐθνῶν.




Appointed Position Outranks Age

5/24/16; 5/25/16



Joseph over brothers


Solomon willing to kill brothers?…


Nathan bowing before King David? Was Nathan older?



Gen 48:18 WEB Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father; for this is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head."

Gen 48:18 CAB And Joseph said to his father, Not so, father; for this is the firstborn; lay your right hand upon his head.

Gen 48:18  εἶπεν δὲ Ιωσηφ τῷ πατρὶ αὐτοῦ Οὐχ οὕτως, πάτερ· οὗτος γὰρ ὁ πρωτότοκος· ἐπίθες τὴν δεξιάν σου ἐπὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ.

Gen 48:19 His father refused, and said, "I know, my son, I know. He also will become a people, and he also will be great. However, his younger brother will be greater than he, and his seed will become a multitude of nations."

Gen 48:19 And he would not, but said, I know it, son, I know it; he also shall be a people, and he shall be exalted, but his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

Gen 48:19  καὶ οὐκ ἠθέλησεν, ἀλλὰ εἶπεν Οἶδα, τέκνον, οἶδα· καὶ οὗτος ἔσται εἰς λαόν, καὶ οὗτος ὑψωθήσεται, ἀλλὰ ὁ ἀδελφὸς αὐτοῦ ὁ νεώτερος μείζων αὐτοῦ ἔσται, καὶ τὸ σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἔσται εἰς πλῆθος ἐθνῶν.



Gen 48:20 He blessed them that day, saying, "In you will Israel bless, saying, 'God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh' " He set Ephraim before Manasseh.

Gen 48:20 And he blessed them in that day, saying, In you shall Israel be blessed, saying, God make you as Ephraim and Manasseh; and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

Gen 48:20  καὶ εὐλόγησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἐκείνῃ λέγων Ἐν ὑμῖν εὐλογηθήσεται Ισραηλ λέγοντες Ποιήσαι σε ὁ θεὸς ὡς Εφραιμ καὶ ὡς Μανασση· καὶ ἔθηκεν τὸν Εφραιμ ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ Μανασση. --







Although young believers have strong expressions of love and passion for God, they are untested by the fires and trials of life. Thus, they are still undependable for service in the Church. They even express the gifts of the Spirit. Yet, the seasoned pastor understands that they need time for passion to mature into wisdom through the discipline of trials before being given great responsibilities.





"don't say, 'i am a youth'..." -- for the physical priesthood of Aaron they were required to be more than 30 (or 25 acording to the LXX), so this is naturally understandable that the prohet shows hesitation, even as Gedeon's son was hesitant, but God reafirms the prophet in surpassing truth.


So also the new cov defaults to elders rulling, but since the priesthood is now very spiritual, now young Timothy is spiritually in much more authority than the local elders.





Youth Ministry is perhaps one of the most worthwhile investments in ministry around today.



- Yes, at times. But the potential rewards are greater than the almost-certain hurt of the hardships!


Is it possible to reach into the life and heart of young people and transfer them to the kingdom of light during the most influential years of their life? Before they get hard and set in their ways, while there is still hope of stirring up that faith and passionate pursuit of Jesus, will we hone their passions toward heaven? As it says,


While some speak of building "Mega-churches" of unregenerate pew trophies, there lies an opportunity much more urgent and worthwhile in the hearts of a generation that is soon slipping through the hands of today's church leaders.

You got to admit, there is something special about teen-age years that makes people more prone to totally sell out to a cause with vibrant faith without holding anything back (See Exo_33:11). Seeing this, will we fail to tap into what God has set up in such eager hearts before they are hardened by


No, it’s not "the church of tomorrow," but rather the only real church of today! Instead of speaking of the church tomorrow we should rather say "Lord renew my youth and make me like-wise so I can have a shot at Heaven!"


But at the same time, may we never reject, belittle, despise, or turn away from the value, potential, and overall exciting profitability found in stirring up youth to come after Jesus.